SPEAKER_00
0:59
Welcome
to
the
Touchdown
Jaguars
Podcast.
Here
are
your
hosts,
James
Johnson
and
Phil
Smith.
SPEAKER_02
1:08
All
right,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
Welcome
to
episode
143
of
the
Touchdown
Jaguars
Podcast.
I
am
your
host
for
today,
James
Johnson.
Riding
this
one
solo,
as
uh
Phil
uh
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
convention
work
lately,
and
we'll
have
to
do
some
in
the
month
of
June
as
well.
Um
so
we're
gonna
we
got
some
moving
pieces
here
where
we're
gonna
try
and
get
some
co-hosts
to
help
me
out
here
um
in
the
month
of
June,
especially
that's
a
busy
month
for
Phil.
Um,
understandably
so
with
all
of
the
conventions
that's
going
on
um
in
Florida
and
in
nearby
areas.
But
shoutouts
to
Phil,
we'll
get
him
back
um
in
July.
And
um,
as
I
said,
you
know,
I'm
gonna
try
kind
of
like
we
did
with
Josh,
shout
outs
to
Josh
who
was
on
the
last
episode
with
me.
Um
we're
gonna
try
and
get
some
fill-ins
to
co-host
with
me
in
the
meantime,
and
if
not,
I'll
just
flap
my
guns
by
myself
as
I
always
do,
right?
Um,
for
the
ladies
in
Jaguars
news
as
OTAs
has
started,
right?
And
today
on
um
Tuesday,
uh
May
the
26th,
um,
and
shout
outs
to
my
boy
Starge,
who
just
had
a
birthday
two
days
ago,
um
friend
of
the
show.
Um,
but
yeah,
today
the
26th,
uh
the
Jaguars
had
their
first
OTA
session
of
the
year.
Um,
they
will
have
plenty,
plenty
more.
Um,
and
with
it
being
early
into
into
the
OTA
um
part
of
the
offseason
for
the
Jacksonville
Jaguars,
I
figured
I'll
make
this
episode
about
um
things
I'll
be
looking
for
um
as
they
take
the
field
for
OTAs.
I'll
probably
get
this
up
by
session
two
of
OTAs,
so
it'll
still
be
pretty
early
in
the
process.
Um,
so
I
felt
like
this
will
still
be
a
pretty
relevant
topic
as
a
result.
But
yeah,
the
guys
took
the
field
a
day
and
um
had
a
productive
day.
Of
course,
the
pads
aren't
on,
and
you
know,
you
you
can't
tell
a
lot
until
the
pads
go
on.
Um,
but
then
again,
there
still
is
a
lot
to
talk
about.
And
um,
you
especially,
as
we've
said
many,
many
times
in
the
past,
you
can
take
a
lot
from
what
the
skilled
guys
are
doing.
Um,
because
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
they
do
don't
necessarily
correlate
the
contact.
Of
course,
contact
is
one
of
the
biggest
keys
in
football,
but
there
are
some
things
that
you
see
with
the
skill
guys
and
that
you
can
take
from
the
skilled
guys,
especially
um
at
this
point
of
the
offseason,
more
so
than
the
guys
in
the
trenches.
That
being
said,
I
um
posted
a
um
a
hype,
which
is
kind
of
just
a
short
clip
um
and
review
type
of
thing
of
an
event
in
sports
on
Buzzer.
Um,
I
don't
know
if
I
um
announced
it
at
least
on
this
podcast.
I
know
I
have
put
it
out
there
on
our
social
media
handles,
but
we
are
on
the
new
sports
platform
Buzzer.
We
have
a
content
creators
account
on
there.
Everybody
feel
free
to
check
us
out
on
there
on
Buzzer.
Basically,
what
it
is,
and
not
to
deter
too
much
from
uh
the
Jaguars
and
the
Touchdown
Jaguars
podcast,
but
basically
what
it
is
is
a
social
media
app
specifically
for
sports.
Um,
they
make
those
who
want
to
be
creators
sign
up
for
creator
content.
Um,
they
review
whoever
wants
to
sign
up
for
one
so
they
can
weed
out
all
of
the
AI
slop
and
the
bots
and
you
know,
all
of
the
think
pieces
and
all
the
craziness
you
see
on
Twitter.
Um,
so
they
have
a
process
of
you
know
choosing
uh
those
who
will
be
creators.
But
if
you
want
a
regular
account,
you
can
sign
up
for
that
free.
There's
no
review
process
for
that.
You
just
sign
up,
you
can
go
on
there,
check
out
content,
you
can
customize
your
timeline
to
see
whatever
you
want,
whether
that's
Jaguars
news,
basketball
news,
you
name
it.
Um
it's
a
it's
a
very
creative
thought
and
a
very
creative
platform
that
is
uh
it's
only
been
up
for
a
month
and
a
half,
so
it's
still
growing.
There's
still
some
kinks
that
need
to
be
ironed
out.
But
if
anybody
is
looking
just
for
a
place,
a
social
media
place
for
sports
and
talking
sports
and
sports
content
and
a
way
to
customize
your
timeline,
buzzer
is
the
place
for
you.
Feel
free
to
check
out
their
app
and
that's
BZZR.
Again,
that's
BZZR
Buzzer.com,
or
you
can
search
Buzzr
in
your
app
store
in
Apple,
or
if
you
have
an
Android,
you
can
search
it
in
the
Google
Play
Store.
So,
um,
yep,
that
being
said,
um,
I
I
put
up
a
um
a
video
on
Buzzer
of
just
some
takeaways
from
OTAs,
which
I'll
probably
cross
those
when
I
talk
about
the
the
things
I'll
be
looking
for
in
OTAs,
they'll
probably
somehow
make
their
way
into
that
conversation.
So
you
guys
will
get
a
preview
of
that
too
as
well.
Um,
before
we
get
into
that,
however,
we
need
to
plug
all
of
the
handles,
of
course.
Um,
you
know
where
you
can
find
me
on
Twitter
at
sportsgrind
underscore
done.
You
can
find
Phil
at
Phil
the
Filipino
on
there.
You
can
follow
our
handle,
um,
which
is
um
the
touchdown
Jaguars
handle,
that
is,
at
TD
Jaguars
Pod.
And
of
course,
you
can
find
our
podcast
and
archived
episodes
on
your
favorite
platform,
whether
that's
iTunes,
Apple
Podcasts,
um,
whether
that's
on
Spotify,
you
name
it.
And
if
we
are
not
on
your
favorite
platform,
feel
free
to
let
us
know.
And
we'll
do
our
best
to
get
on
there
so
we
can
give
you
the
latest
in
Jacksonville
Jaguars
news.
While
we're
at
it,
also
feel
free
to
use
our
promotion
code
with
our
sponsor,
SeatGeek.
As
Phil
said
earlier,
um,
I
don't
even
know
if
it
still
works.
Somebody
check
that
out
and
let
us
know.
Um,
of
course,
our
code
was
Touchdown
Jaguars.
It'll
get
you
$20
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of
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with
SeatGeek.
And
of
course,
SeatGeek,
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
that
is
your
go-to
place
for
your
ticketing
needs,
whether
it's
in
the
sporting
realm,
uh,
whether
it
is
a
concert,
whatever
event
it
is
that
you
need
a
ticket
for,
whatever
notable
event
that
is,
um,
you
can
get
tickets
for
that
event
at
SeatGeek.
Again,
our
promo
code
is
Touchdown
Jaguars.
You
can
use
that
on
the
SeatGeek
app,
or
you
can
use
that
on
the
SeatGeek
website
as
you
make
your
purchase.
So,
all
of
that
said,
um,
yeah,
we
won't
talk
too
much
here.
We'll
get
right
into
the
topics
at
hand.
Um,
one
thing
I
do
want
to
do
is
actually
um
I
don't
think
I
did
this,
so
I'm
gonna
pull
it
up.
I
I
posted
it
on
Buzzer
earlier.
Um,
in
terms
of
um
with
OTA
starting,
I
want
to
give
you
all
the
dates
um
in
which
they'll
be
taking
the
field.
The
I
do
know
off
the
top
of
my
head
that
the
Jaguars
announced
today
that
the
10th
will
be
open
to
the
public.
You
can
get
tickets
on
um
or
tickets
to
attend
that
tomorrow,
I
think,
at
10
Eastern
time
for
season
ticket
holders
and
11
uh
for
non-season
ticket
holders.
So
I
would
imagine
that's
gonna
be
packed.
Um,
but
do
keep
in
mind
the
construction
that's
going
on
with
the
stadium
as
well.
You're
gonna
have
to
park
in,
I
think
they
said
lot
Z,
and
they're
gonna
have
a
shuttle
to
get
you
from
lot
Z
to
the
Miller
Electric
Center.
So
keep
that
in
mind
um
in
terms
of
when
you
um
attend
or
if
you
attend
Jaguars,
OTAs,
and
then
in
terms
of
the
dates,
I
did
pull
it
up
here
on
Buzzer.
Um
they
will
take
the
fill
from
May
28th,
which
that's
today,
uh,
to
the
29th,
which
is
tomorrow,
uh,
June
the
first
to
2nd,
uh
June
4th,
and
June
15th
to
June
17th.
So
um
there
is
that
in
terms
of
their
dates.
Uh
and
actually
the
um
the
session
that
I
mentioned
on
June
the
10th,
that's
a
mini
camp.
So
um
that
being
said,
I
might
have
said
that
was
an
OTA
correction
on
that.
That
was
a
mini
camp.
And
yeah,
man,
we
got
some
exciting
times
coming
up
for
the
Jacksonville
Jaguars.
Although,
you
know,
the
offseason
wasn't
one
filled
with
moves,
um,
still
one
that
um
we
are
going
into
this
offseason,
and
OTAs
very
interested
in
the
team
because
they
had
some
big
subtractions
and
they
got
some
additions
who
um
are
kind
of
unknown,
right?
When
you
look
at
the
draft
class,
and
um
you
look
at
um
Rodriguez,
who
they
uh
they
got
in
free
agency
who
didn't
take
the
field
today,
by
the
way.
And
uh
we'll
look
into
that
development
um
down
the
road.
But
all
of
that
said,
man,
let's
get
right
into
the
topics
at
hand,
and
um
we'll
look
at
some
things
that
I
will
be
looking
for
in
OTAs.
As
I
mentioned,
by
the
time
this
comes
out,
it'll
probably
be
OTA
session
number
two.
So
it'll
still
be
early
in
the
phase,
early
enough
for
me
to
still
make
this
a
relevant
topic
and
something
that
I
can
put
an
episode
on.
But
I
got
about
one,
two,
three,
four,
five
things
I'll
be
watching
for.
I
probably
won't
um
go
through
all
of
these
depending
on
how
we're
looking
on
time.
And
you
know,
as
I
said,
I
don't
like
to
make
super
long
podcasts
for
editing
purposes.
But
as
I
look
at
my
list
here,
the
first
one
that
stands
out
to
me,
and
he's
been
a
guy
that
a
lot
of
there's
been
a
lot
of
buzz
around
in
him
in
these
early
stages
of
the
offseason.
Um,
not
just
because
like
he
meant
people
keep
mentioning
him
for
trade
reasons,
uh,
but
there
have
been
good
things
said
about
you
know
how
he's
performing.
And
again,
look,
the
pads
are
on,
and
you
really
can't
put
a
lot
into
that,
especially
with
this
particular
player,
uh,
which
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit.
But
Brian
Thomas
Jr.,
I'll
be
looking
for
the
growth
of
Brian
Thomas
Jr.
in
terms
of
he
had
a
drop-off
last
year,
right?
And
a
lot
of
it
was
maybe
learning
the
new
system.
But
we
also
discovered
that
the
way
in
which
they
wanted
to
use
him
at
times
across
the
field
and
going
across
the
middle
of
the
field
and
catching
the
ball
before,
you
know,
contact
in
the
middle
of
the
field
was
something
he
was
struggling
with,
man.
And
he
didn't
look
like
the
player
he
was
as
a
rookie,
didn't
produce
like
he
did
in
his
rookie
season
as
well
during
the
regular
season
of
2025.
And
the
Jaguars
need
him
to
step
up,
right?
I
mean,
they
got
plenty
of
weapons,
don't
get
me
wrong.
They
have
Parker
Washington
and
Basel
Tootin,
and
Brenton
Strange,
and
um
Jacoby
Myers,
and
you
name
it,
but
with
the
skill
set
that
he
has
and
his
speed
that
he
that
he
brings
to
the
table
and
how
they
want
to
use
him,
and
Liam
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
today,
um,
in
terms
of
wanting
to
um
be
a
team
that
can
pass
the
ball
downfield
a
little
bit
more
and
hit
deeper
concepts,
kind
of
like
they
did
at
the
end
of
the
year
last
year.
Started
to
click
a
little
bit,
but
they
want
to
be
a
little
bit
better
at
that.
So,
you
know,
this
is
a
guy
they
want
to
hit
on,
you
know,
deep
posts
and
whatnot.
And
um,
they
are
going
to
need
him
to
step
up,
man.
And,
you
know,
the
early
stages
of
the
offseason,
um,
the
chatter
about
him
has
been
uh
that
he
does
look
like
he's
going
to
take
a
step
and
that
he's
trending
in
the
right
direction.
But
again,
you
want
to
tread
lightly
with
that
because
again,
there's
no
contact.
And
that's
where
Brian
Thomas
struggled
at
the
most
at
the
most.
And
you
see
it
a
lot
of
times
too,
um,
specifically
coaches,
right?
They
see
this
a
lot
with
their
training
programs
where
a
guy
looks
great
on
the
non-contact
part
of
training,
right?
In
the
early
stages
of
training
before
the
season,
so
on
and
so
forth.
And
then
every
now
and
again,
you
know,
and
I'm
not
even
saying
this
is
exclusive
to
the
NFL,
but
college,
high
school,
you
know,
when
the
pads
go
on,
some
of
those
players
disappear.
You
know,
now
the
ones
that
have
been
doing
it
for
years
and
years
and
years,
they
they
tend
to
be
consistent
throughout
the
whole
process.
When
the
pads
aren't
on,
you
know,
when
you're
scrimmaging,
when
you're
doing,
you
know,
707s
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
to
the
phase
where
you
put
the
pads
on,
it
just
translates
to
the
to
the
ones
that
just
got
it.
If
you
got
it,
you
got
it.
But
there
are
some
that
look
better
when
the
pads
are
off,
and
then
they
kind
of
disappear
when
the
pads
are
gone
on,
so
um,
or
have
gone
on.
So,
you
know,
you
want
to
tread
lightly
with
BTJ.
Um,
we
know
he
has
all
of
the
talent
in
the
world,
right?
Um,
speed
for
days.
He's
probably
gonna
be
a
a
better
route
runner
because
he's
going
into
year
three,
so
there's
that
to
look
forward
to.
But
how
does
he
do
when
it
comes
to
taking
contact
and
concentrating
in
terms
of
catching
the
ball
when
contact
is
coming?
We'll
see
if
he's
made
a
leap
in
that
regard
and
time
will
tell.
Um,
but
his
growth
is
something
that's
gonna
be
crucial,
man,
because
as
we
know,
man,
Trevor
Lawrence
is
his
best
when
he
can
go
down
the
field,
right?
And
when
we
seen
him
at
his
best,
it's
be
it's
because
he,
you
know,
he
had
these
deep
threats,
whoever
it
was,
you
know,
you
know,
Zay
Jones
back
in
the
day
and
Christian
Kirk
at
times
back
in
the
day.
That's
when
we
started
to
see
the
best
of
Trevor
Lawrence.
And,
you
know,
they
want
Brian
Thomas
Jr.
to
be
that
guy
um
for
this
specific
Jaguars
team.
And
I'll
be
honest,
man,
I
want
to
see
him
overcome
last
year,
right?
And
I
want
to
see
him
take
that
leap
because
I'm
tired
of
hearing
about
the
trade
rumors,
right?
Um,
and
I'm
tired
of
hearing
all
of
these
other
fans
from
other
teams
make
all
of
these
crazy
posts
about
it
happening.
Well,
one
way
to
shut
all
of
that
down
is
if
Brian
Thomas
Jr.
comes
um
to
the
field
this
year
and
just
balls
out
this
offseason,
even
when
the
pads
go
on,
that'll
be
one
way
to
shut
that
down.
Because
obviously
no
team
is
trading
a
deep
threat
that's
that
young,
that's
that
cheap,
that's
still
on
his
rookie
deal,
right,
to
anybody,
unless
it's
something
crazy,
right?
Two
first-round
picks
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
and
some
additional
stuff.
That's
what
you
should
ask
for
for
a
talent
of
that
caliber.
That
is,
if
he
can
prove
to
be
the
guy
that
we
saw
in
the
rookie
season,
right?
And
a
guy
that,
you
know,
is
a
little
bit
better
in
dealing
with
the
contact
part
of
the
game.
That's
a
guy
easily
that
you
can
say,
hey,
two
first-round
picks,
or
we're
not
having
the
conversation.
So
that'll
shut
all
of
that
down
if
Brian
Thomas
Jr.
um
continues
to
trend
upward
as
he
has
in
the
early
stages
of
OTAs.
The
next
thing
I'll
be
watching
for
that
I
have
on
my
list
here
is
um
I
want
to
see
what
Nate
Borkatcher
offers
as
a
pass
catcher.
We
we
seen
the
physicality,
right?
And
it
is
it's
it's
fun
to
watch.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
when
I
turn
on
the
Texas
AM
tape,
and
I
told
y'all
one
of
the
games
I
watched
was
him
against
the
Florida
Gators
because
I
just
love
seeing
the
Florida
Gators
get
Mollywat,
right?
So
naturally,
I
went
to
that
game
and
watched
that
full
game,
and
I
think
it
was
a
few
others
that
I
watched.
Um,
so
the
the
it
was
clear
as
day,
right?
The
physicality
was
there,
man.
He
was
lead
blocking
people
into
the
end
zone,
playing
some
H
back,
helping
the
running
back
go
into
the
end
zone
untouched,
all
that
good
stuff,
um,
killing
it
as
an
inline
blocker,
you
know,
jacking
guys
up,
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
as
we
know,
his
body
of
work
is
very
limited
as
a
pass
catcher.
I
think
what
he
had,
19
catches
uh
in
his
last
season
with
Texas
AM,
and
a
lot
of
it
is
too,
like
they
just
didn't
use
him
properly
in
terms
of
in
the
passing
game.
They
used
him
properly
as
a
blocker,
but
in
the
passing
game,
he
absolutely
should
have
been
utilized
more.
And
I
mean,
I
wasn't
a
fan
of
the
quarterback
play,
so
that
probably
plays
into
it
too.
I
wasn't
a
fan
of
uh
the
quarterback
play
at
Texas
AM.
I
forget
the
young
man's
name,
I
think
his
name
is
Reese,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
last
name
Reese,
Marcel
Reese,
maybe.
Um
I'll
have
to
look
that
up.
But
just
wasn't
a
fan
of
the
quarterback
play,
so
that
probably
played
into
it.
Um,
they
had
a
large
tight
end
room
in
terms
of
a
wide
array
of
tight
ends
that
they
they
utilize
as
well,
even
though
you
know
Birkatcher
was
at
the
top
of
the
depth
chart,
but
you
know,
that
crowded
things
as
well.
Um
so
he
just
didn't
get
used
to
his
full
potential
at
Texas
AM.
That's
the
bottom
line.
And
a
lot
of
people
questioned
this
pick.
Of
course,
we
already
talked
about
that
during
the
draft
episode.
And
uh
a
big
reason
that
it
was
questioned
is
you
know,
because
of
his
his
stats
as
a
pass
catcher,
right?
And
before
that,
he
went
at
he
went
to
Nebraska,
probably
didn't
have
a
lot
of
pass
catching
statistics
there
as
well,
if
I
can
recall.
So,
you
know,
everybody,
this
was
one
that
drew
a
lot
of
question
marks.
But
you
can
see
the
potential
in
regards
to
his
pass
catching
ability.
We
saw
it
at
the
senior
bowl,
right?
Snagging
it
over
um
the
linebacker
that's
escaping
me
right
now.
That
kind
of
started
to
draw
eyes
to
this
young
man.
And,
you
know,
he
obviously
he
he
did
well
in
the
combine
process
and
interviews
and
what
have
you,
everything
that
followed
the
senior
bowl.
And
you
know,
there
were
even
some
teams
that
also
admitted
that
they
liked
him
outside
of
the
Jaguars.
If
you
all
remember
the
T-Wig
story
where
um
I
think
it
was
the
tight
ends
coach
from
uh
the
Pittsburgh
Steelers
saying
he
really
liked
Birkatcher
when
he
was
drafted
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
I
want
to
see
what
this
young
man
can
do
as
a
pass
catcher.
Now,
look,
he's
probably
not
gonna
light
it
up
as
a
pass
catcher
during
the
regular
season.
You
know,
like
it
it's
uncommon
for
tight
ends,
especially
one
that's
number
two
on
your
depth
chart.
I
mean,
I
guess
he,
you
know,
he
could
get
a
significant
amount
of
snaps,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
it
it's
unusual
for
a
tight
end,
especially
as
a
rookie,
especially
when
they're
number
two
as
well
on
the
depth
chart
to
like
kill
it
as
a
pass
catcher.
But
I
just
want
to
know
that
the
ability
is
there.
I
want
him
to
prove
everybody
wrong
that
said
the
Jaguars
were,
you
know,
stupid
for
taking
him,
right?
I
just
like
seeing
these
young
men.
The
same
thing
applies
with
BTJ,
man,
because
I
was
one
of
his
daughters
too.
But
I
would
love
to
be
proved
wrong
on
him
as
well,
but
I
want
to
see
Birkatcher
um
prove
people
wrong.
Now,
he's
a
guy
that
I
personally
like
what
I
seen
from
him
on
film.
Yeah,
maybe
a
little
bit
of
a
reach
in
the
second
round.
Um,
but
I
think
how
I
would
put
it
is
I
could
see
this
young
man
fulfilling
his
potential
and
proving
to
be
worthy
of
being
taken
where
he
was
in
the
second
round.
And
I'm
I'm
rooting
for
him
to
do
it.
We'll
see
if
he
can
in
time
will
tell.
And
also
Tanner
Cozia,
the
other
tight
end
that
they
got
in
the
sixth
round
as
well,
who
was
predominantly
a
pass
catcher,
one
of
the
most
productive
pass
catchers
in
the
last
decade.
Um,
I
think
aside
from
like
um
Harold
Fanning,
right,
who
is
with
the
Browns
and
was
drafted
last
year.
So
he's
another
guy,
you
know,
I'll
be
watching
to
see
um
his
production
in
the
passing
game
as
well,
and
you
know,
even
vice
versa.
So
I'll
be
watching
Cozy
All
as
well.
Next
on
my
list,
um,
and
we're
actually
making
good
time
here,
so
I
might
get
all
five
of
them.
We'll
see.
Um,
but
next
on
my
list
is
uh
where
does
Chris
Rodriguez
fall
in
this
running
back
lineup,
right?
And
he
he,
if
I
read
correctly
on
Twitter,
he
wasn't
there
today.
Um,
so
we
we
gotta
see
what's
going
on
there.
Um,
it
could
be
nothing,
right?
It
could
be
excused
or
it
could
be
injury
related.
We'll
have
to
see.
I
didn't
really
dig
into
it,
but
I
did
see
that
cross
my
timeline.
I
was
more
so
caught
up
in
the
other
stuff,
right?
Trevor
Lawrence,
right,
and
BTJ
and
um,
you
know,
the
rookies.
But
I'll
I'll
research
that
a
little
bit
more.
But
when
you
look
at
Rodriguez
and
um
just,
you
know,
he
a
lot
of
people
say
he
was
underutilized
with
the
commanders.
But
when
he
did
touch
the
ball
and
when
he
did
get
his
opportunities,
man,
like
this
guy,
he
seemed
like
um
kind
of
like
the
second
coming
of
James
Robinson,
who
is
killing
it
in
the
UFL,
by
the
way,
man.
I
hope
James
Robinson
gets
a
second
chance
in
the
NFL
after
that.
Um,
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
him
back
with
the
Jaguars,
but
our
room's
kind
of
crowded
now.
So
anyway,
uh
he
he
kind
of
reminded
me
of
James
Robinson
in
regards
to
just
never
like
being
caught
in
the
backfield,
right?
Just
always
getting
positive
yardage,
whether
it
was
two,
three,
four
yards,
whatever
the
case
may
be.
He
was
a
physical
ground
and
pound,
stick
your
foot
in
the
dirt
and
just
go
right
ahead,
type
of
guy
that
had
no
trouble
with
getting
positive
yardage.
I
don't
know
if
he
had
any,
at
least
last
year,
any
negative
gains
at
all.
Um,
that's
more
so
a
stat
we'll
have
to
uh
reach
out
to
my
guy,
Daniel
Griffiths
for.
That's
more
so
his
thing.
And
I
think
he
actually
has
covered
this
before
I
have
to
look
on
his
timeline
and
see.
Um,
but
yeah,
um,
where
does
he
fall
in
this
running
back
lineup?
Because
I
personally
think
Bachelor
Tootin's
gonna
start
right.
And
the
thing
with
him,
though,
is
Bachelor
Tootin'
and
durability.
So
don't
get
me
wrong,
Rodriguez,
if
he
doesn't
start,
he
will
probably
find
himself
in
the
lineup
at
some
point
in
time
as
a
starter,
uh,
whether
it's
for
a
game
or
two,
because
as
of
the
last
two
years,
going
back
to
his
time
at
Virginia
Tech,
and
then
last
year,
Bashul
just
um
hasn't
been
able
to
play
a
full
season.
And
for
a
running
back,
that
is
extremely
hard,
admittedly.
Like,
that's
not
a
knock
on
him.
Like
17
games,
right?
Plus,
well,
the
preseason
they
barely
play,
but
17
games
for
a
running
back
is
a
little
crazy.
And
they're
talking
about
adding
more
games.
So
that's
why
you
need
a
committee
approach
anyway.
That's
why
you
go
get
a
Chris
Rodriguez.
And
I
think
he
can
actually
be
super
productive
in
the
opportunities
that
he's
given,
and
especially,
you
know,
if
he
has
to
fill
in
as
a
starter
from
time
to
time.
And
then,
you
know,
you
got
LaQuent
Allen,
um,
a
fan
favorite
on
the
team,
a
favorite
of
mine,
um,
a
guy
who
um
already
feels
like
the
best
pass
blocking
running
back
in
football
um
in
the
NFL
at
his
at
this
early
stage
of
his
career,
and
he's
coming
off
a
rookie
season
where
he
kind
of
proved
that
right
off
the
bat,
you
know,
or
within
a
few
weeks.
But
does
he
make
progress
in
terms
of
where
he
is
on
the
depth
chart
and
getting
more
of
a
role
than
being
a
third-down
running
back
and
um,
you
know,
being
the
force
that
he
did
that
he
is
on
special
teams
as
well?
Um,
what
does
he
show
in
terms
of
of
his
ability
to
be
able
to
run
the
ball
in
between
the
tackles
and
and
be
productive
in
that
regard?
Because,
you
know,
there
were
times
where
you
you
could
see
flashes,
but
for
the
most
part,
you
know,
LeQint
as
a
runner,
and
I
loved
him
coming
out
of
college,
by
the
way,
but
LaQuent
as
a
runner
last
year
in
the
regular
season,
um,
it
it
wasn't
like
a
crazy
amount
of
highlights
of
him
um
doing
anything
too
flashy.
So,
you
know,
I
would
like
to
see
him
improve
in
that
regard
a
little
bit.
Um
again,
he
he
had
some
plays
here
and
there
where
it
would
flash,
but
for
the
most
part,
um
he
didn't
have
anywhere
near
the
amount
of
highlights.
And
uh,
of
course,
Bashel
saw
more
snaps
than
him
anyway,
but
he
he
didn't
have
anywhere
near
um
the
amount
of
highlights
that
Bashel
uh
had.
So
we'll
see.
Um,
but
that's
a
crowded
running
back
room.
Or
well,
I
don't
want
to
say
crowded,
but
well,
yeah,
it's
kind
of
crowded
because
of
the
undrafted
kid
that
they
got
from
Virginia
as
well.
And
Jamari
Taylor,
you
know,
who
was
a
guy
who
a
lot
of
people
say
could
be
an
undrafted
gym,
had
over
a
thousand
yards
last
year,
was
quite
productive.
Um,
and
now
that
I'm
looking
at
the
roster,
there,
you
know,
DJ
Dallas,
who
was
a
pretty
decent
running
back
yes
uh
last
year.
Um
he
was
a
guy
that
I
liked
a
lot
coming
out
of
college
too,
as
well.
So
there's
him.
Um
there
was
also
I
think
um
Jaquin
Jackson,
but
Jackson,
I
think
he
got
cut,
so
he
isn't
there.
Um
and
then
also
Amir
Abdullah,
who
I
think
replaced
Jackson
when
he
was
cut.
Um
a
veteran,
you
know,
who
can
more
so
help
you
on
special
teams.
And
you
know,
he's
over
the
age
of
30,
but
still
somebody
who
is
familiar
with
the
staff,
and
somebody
who
still
has
some
gas
left
in
the
tank
despite
his
age.
So
yeah,
I
mean,
the
the
running
back
room
is
kind
of
crowded
and
interesting
to
say
the
least.
And
um,
you
know,
like
a
lot
of
the
people
I
mentioned,
don't
get
me
wrong,
think
Rodriguez
is
gonna
fall
anywhere
behind
like
DJ
Dallas
and
whatnot.
But
what
if
Jamari
Taylor
shows
up
and
just
balls
out
like
he
did
at
Virginia?
Then
I
think
we
will
have
some
interesting
conversations
to
have
um
during
OTAs
and
training
camp
if
that
does
happen.
Because
um
then
you
got
your
two
rookies
from
last
year
in
Allen
and
Tootin,
and
then
you
got
Taylor
showing
out.
Then,
you
know,
you
paid
Rodriguez
a
decent
amount
of
money.
They
didn't
pay
him
anything
crazy.
Um,
but
then
you
know
you
have
to
have
a
conversation
of
do
you
take
three
running
backs
into
the
regular
season
or
you
take
four
into
the
regular
season?
So
uh
we'll
see
in
time.
We'll
tell
on
that,
man.
But
um,
yeah,
I'm
very
interested
to
see
where
um
Rodriguez
finds
himself
um
within
this
group
as
he
does
have
a
physical
skill
set
and
a
physical
running
style
that
I
like
very,
very
much.
All
right,
so
next
here,
this
is
somebody
I
talked
about
on
my
uh
buzzer
review,
which
it
wasn't
but
three
minutes,
but
um
one
of
the
takeaways
I
had
from
today's
OTA
session
uh
was
the
return
of
Caleb
Ransaw.
So
happy
that
he's
back.
Um
promising
third-round
rookie
from
Tulane
that
we
got
last
year
who
um
had
a
foot
injury,
which
um
obviously
um
required,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
surgery
um
and
caused
him
to
miss
the
whole
season.
Um,
and
you
know,
that
was
a
bummer,
um,
not
just
for
his
sake,
right?
And
um,
you
know,
here
you
have
a
rookie
who's
excited
to
get
on
the
field,
and
that
was
taken
away
from
him,
but
also
it
was
a
bummer
because
safety
was
a
position
uh
that
we
knew
would
be
crucial
um
to
the
Jaguars
heading
into
the
2025
season
and
with
how
um
our
our
defensive
coordinator,
I
almost
said
offensive
coordinator,
our
defensive
coordinator
and
Anthony
Campanili,
you
know,
how
he
likes
to
use
his
defensive
backs.
Um
and
he,
you
know,
it
was
times
where
he
was
flashing
too
um
in
the
tr
in
training
camp
and
what
have
you.
Um
but
yeah,
it
he
was
a
guy
that
people
had
a
lot
of
eyes
on
because
of
his
playstyle
and
how
he
would
fit
into
the
defense
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
And
uh
we
just
it
didn't
come
into
fruition
because
of
the
injury.
We
didn't
get
to
see
him.
Um
but
he's
back.
He
said
he
was
100%.
He
took
the
field
for
all
the
drills
and
what
have
you.
And
uh
yeah,
he
looks
like
a
guy
that's
poised
to
bounce
back
again.
Like
you,
you
still
got
to
treat
it
as
his
rookie
season,
right?
Because
he
he
never
really
took
the
field
for
an
official
game.
And
of
course,
there's
gonna
be
a
learning
curve,
even
though
you
know
he
probably
um
learned
a
lot
from
the
sidelines,
and
the
Jaguars
now
have
one
of
the
virtual
um
rooms
where
you
can
kind
of
it's
kind
of
like
you're
um
on
the
field
from
whatever
position
you
play
um
in
a
virtual
setting.
So,
you
know,
they
they
have
that
now,
which
probably
helped
a
lot,
but
it's
nothing,
especially
at
the
safety
position.
It's
nothing
like
actually
getting
on
the
field
and
seeing
things
unfold
on
the
field
and
and
reacting
to
it
and
and
learning
in
that
way,
right?
And
learning
from
your
mistakes
in
that
way.
So
it's
good
to
have
him
back.
He's
a
guy
I'm
certainly
going
to
be
watching.
And
I
I
think
that
the
Jaguars
have
ample
opportunities
for
him
and
ample
snaps
um
that
he'll
be
able
to
take
the
feel
for
because
they
do
kind
of
you
know
use
multiple
safeties,
like
you
know,
three
safeties
or
so.
Um
so
and
we
saw
that
last
year,
right?
So
he
absolutely
is
a
guy
that
they're
eyeing
um
for
a
lot
of
snaps,
and
a
guy
that
they
have
high
hopes
for,
that
brass
has
spoken
highly
of
him.
And
I
like
this
film
coming
out
of
Tulane,
man.
A
guy
that
always
kept
his
eyes
on
the
quarterback.
Um,
I
like
the
tackling,
um,
if
I
can
recall.
It's
been
a
while
since
I
watched
this
film
because
it
was
last
year.
But
the
tackling
stood
out,
his
eyes
always
on
the
quarterbacks
stood
out
to
me
as
well.
Um,
and
yeah,
he's
just
a
young
man
that,
as
I
mentioned
last
year,
man,
um
I
think
I
did
a
it
was
a
TikTok
um
saying
that
uh
he
was
a
kid
I
was
really,
really
excited
for.
Um,
but
again,
um
didn't
get
to
quite
see
him
on
the
field.
I
and
that
will
probably
change
this
year.
All
right.
And
then
lastly,
my
last
takeaway
here,
so
we
were
able
to
get
through
them
and
kind
of
breeze
through
them
here,
um,
is
Ventrell
Miller.
Of
course,
like
the
big
loss
that
we
had
this
season,
this
offseason.
Well,
it
was
two
of
them.
Obviously,
Travis
Etienne
was
one
of
them.
And
then
on
the
defensive
side,
there
was
also
Devin
Lloyd,
right?
Who
it
was
a
little
bit
of
a
one-hit
wonder,
right?
Last
year
was
his
best
year,
and
it
was
far
better
than
any
years
that
he
had
previously
put
on
the
field.
But
that's
not
to
knock
him
because
he
was
balling
out,
man.
He
was
playing
at
an
all-pro
level,
right?
I
think
he
was
second
team,
all
pro.
And
um,
he
made
some
big-time
plays
for
the
Jacksonville
Jaguars
in
terms
of
turnovers,
man.
And
that,
admittedly,
that
might
be
hard
to
replace,
right?
The
the
turnover
aspect
of
things.
But
um
you
you
have
to
feel
like
Ventrell
Miller
is
the
guy
who
is
next
up
to
replace
him.
Um,
Ventrell
Miller
was
a
guy
that
the
last
regime,
not
even
James
Gladstone,
but
the
last
regime,
Trent
Balkey
and
them
were
high
on.
I
think
Trent
was
even
trying
to
trade
up
for
him.
And
uh
you
heard
a
lot
of
good
things
in
training
camp
and
OTAs
when,
you
know,
it
was
the
Doug
Peterson
era
about
Ventrell.
And
it
it
kind
of
feels
like
this
regime
is,
you
know,
fairly
high
on
him
as
well.
Um,
for
them
to
get
rid
of
Devin
Lloyd
and
not
even
draft,
you
know,
a
linebacker
to
replace
him
necessarily.
I
mean,
I
I
guess
we
got
the
um
the
kid
from
Middle
Tennessee
that's
escaping
my
mind
right
now,
but
he's
a
little
bit
smaller,
so
you
definitely
got
to
feel
like
I
mean
he
was
a
seventh-round
pick,
right?
Um
for
crying
out
loud.
And
you
know,
again,
the
competition
level
wasn't
the
highest.
So
like
the
chances
of
him
starting
right
away
are
are
low,
right?
And
that's
not
a
knock
on
him,
right?
He
he
could
eventually,
and
I
like
his
film,
he
could
eventually
develop
into
a
very
good
player,
but
you
you
would
feel
like
Ventrell
is
the
guy
that
they're
eyeing
over
him,
um,
or
maybe
Kaiser
or
somebody
um
in
terms
of
replacing
Devin
Lloyd.
So
um,
yeah,
if
you
had
to
put
a
vote
in
on
it,
everybody
would
probably
say
it's
Ventrell
Miller.
Um,
Ventrell,
you
know,
he
has
played
a
decent
amount
of
snaps
for
the
Jacksonville
Jaguars
because
of
um
I
think
Devin
Lloyd
was
injured
last
year
uh
for
a
game
or
two,
and
and
Ventrell
had
to
come
in
and
play
for
him.
And
I
think
Ventrell
even
got
a
pick.
It
was
a
gimme
pick
now,
like
they
threw
it
straight
to
him.
But
uh,
you
know,
it
was
like
it
it
was
like
no
drop-off
because
he
was
getting
turnovers
too,
just
like
uh
Devin
Lloyd
was,
albeit
easy
turnovers.
But
um,
yeah,
I
mean
I've
liked
Ventrell
Miller
um
since
he's
been
with
the
Jacksonville
Jaguars,
and
that's
hard
for
me
to
say
because
y'all
know
how
how
I
feel
about
um
Florida
Gators,
but
me
and
Phil
have
praised
him
in
the
past.
I
even
said,
you
know,
Ventrell
Miller
felt
like
a
kid
on
this
team
during
the
Trent
Balkey
regime.
He
felt
like
a
leader
of
the
new
school,
right?
Kind
of
type
of
player,
and
that
he
would
lead
his
draft
class
and
you
know
the
some
of
the
other
draft
classes
that
Trent
had,
he
would
be
one
of
the
leaders
of
those
draft
classes
and
eventually
become
maybe
a
starter
down
the
road
and
be
one
of
the
standout
draft
picks
of
the
Trent
Balkey
era.
And
here
he
has
that
opportunity
to
do
it.
So
I'm
excited
to
watch
him
on
the
field,
even
though
he's
a
Florida
Gator,
uh
a
player
that
brings
a
lot
of
juice,
you
know,
and
a
player
that
you
certainly
um
can
hear
him
from
a
mile
away,
very
vocal
player
as
well.
And
look,
man,
he
has
foyer
next
to
him.
So
uh,
you
know,
he
he
definitely
has
the
right
person
to
help
him
become
the
pro
that
he
needs
to
be
and
take
that
next
step
in
Foyer,
who,
you
know,
is
just
a
epitome
of
a
professional
man.
And
it
seems
like
even
on
the
field,
like
time
isn't
slowing
him
down,
right?
Man,
he's
just
been
consistent
and
been
a
rock
for
the
Jacksonville
Jaguar.
So
um
there's
that,
and
you
know,
a
good
staff
to
draw
the
the
skills
out
of
him
and
and
and
to
draw
the
starter
potential
out
of
him.
So
Ventrella
be
one
that
I'll
be
watching
as
well,
and
that
will
conclude
my
list.
Again,
to
just
rehash
it,
things
I'll
be
looking
for
is
the
growth
of
Brian
Thomas
Jr.,
um,
the
um
Nate
Borkatcher
and
Tanner
Cozziall's
ability
as
pass
catchers
and
kind
of
want
to
see
what
Cozia
offers
in
the
physicality
aspect.
Where
does
Chris
Rodriguez
fall
in
this
running
back
group?
Where
does
um
Caleb
Ransall
fall
in
this
safety
group
and
um
Ventrell
Miller
in
terms
of
how
does
he
handle
replacing
Devin
Lloyd,
who
was
a
big
time
leader
for
this
Jacksonville
Jaguars
defense?
So
all
of
that
said,
we'll
go
ahead
and
wrap
this
up,
y'all.
As
I
mentioned,
uh
feel
free
to
follow
us
on
Twitter,
me
at
sportsgrind
underscore
done,
Phil
at
Phil
the
Filipino.
Um,
as
I
said,
he
will
be
away
for
the
month
of
June.
We're
again
it's
a
moving,
it's
moving
pieces
here
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
we're
gonna
do.
If
I'm
gonna
do
solos
or
I'm
gonna
get
somebody
to
join
me,
kind
of
like
Josh
did,
or
um
have
Josh
on
for
more
episodes,
we'll
figure
it
out.
But
shoutouts
to
Phil
anyway.
Uh
follow
him
again
at
Phil
the
Filipino,
me
at
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underscore
Don
on
Twitter.
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So,
um,
all
of
that
said,
excited
for
OTAs
in
this
offseason,
excited
to
uh
record
some
more
and
have
some
guests
in
here
in
the
meantime
and
in
between
time.
And
as
always,
you
all
take
care
of
each
other,
and
I
am
signing
out
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