Episode 405 – Loop, Loop Workspaces, Loop Pages, Copilot Pages, Copilot Notebooks, Copilot Notebooks in OneNote Notebooks

July 03, 2025

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Welcome to Episode 405 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast. In this episode, Ben and Scott tackle the increasingly complex world of Microsoft’s notebook ecosystem, exploring the new Copilot notebooks feature and how it relates to existing tools like OneNote and Loop. They break down the confusing landscape where “a notebook is not a notebook unless a notebook is a notebook in the right place.”

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1 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:05,599 Welcome to episode 405 2 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:08,639 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast recorded 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:11,460 live on 06/27/2025. 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:13,839 This is a show about Microsoft three sixty 5 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:16,125 five and Azure from the perspective of IT 6 00:00:16,125 --> 00:00:18,204 pros and end users, where we discuss a 7 00:00:18,204 --> 00:00:20,605 topic or recent news and how it relates 8 00:00:20,605 --> 00:00:23,324 to you. The theme of today's show is 9 00:00:23,324 --> 00:00:23,824 notebooks. 10 00:00:24,364 --> 00:00:27,324 We have Copilot notebooks, OneNote notebooks, and Loop 11 00:00:27,324 --> 00:00:30,710 workspaces, which aren't a notebook, but do contribute 12 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:33,109 to the confusion. We'll discuss how all of 13 00:00:33,109 --> 00:00:35,510 these tools relate to each other and how 14 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:37,670 they might be used or how you may 15 00:00:37,670 --> 00:00:39,590 or may not be able to find the 16 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:42,570 various content within each notebook or workspace. 17 00:00:43,109 --> 00:00:45,744 So let's try to unconfusing the confusion 18 00:00:46,204 --> 00:00:48,365 of where a notebook is not a notebook 19 00:00:48,365 --> 00:00:50,364 unless a notebook is a notebook in the 20 00:00:50,364 --> 00:00:52,604 right place. So let's just dive into the 21 00:00:52,604 --> 00:00:53,104 show. 22 00:00:54,924 --> 00:00:56,125 I don't even know where to start with 23 00:00:56,125 --> 00:00:57,969 this one, Scott. I'm gonna not get ranty. 24 00:00:57,969 --> 00:00:59,570 We're gonna try to walk people through this 25 00:00:59,570 --> 00:01:01,809 and maybe try to wrap our heads around 26 00:01:01,809 --> 00:01:04,369 this. And I saw the announcement about this. 27 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:06,709 We'll post some links to it. Now in 28 00:01:07,090 --> 00:01:07,590 OneNote, 29 00:01:07,890 --> 00:01:12,064 we have a new Copilot notebook section, which 30 00:01:12,284 --> 00:01:14,784 correlates to a Microsoft three sixty five Copilot, 31 00:01:14,924 --> 00:01:17,185 which we cannot seem to avoid 32 00:01:17,484 --> 00:01:19,884 no matter what we do, also correlates to 33 00:01:19,884 --> 00:01:20,465 a notebook, 34 00:01:20,924 --> 00:01:24,299 which is separate from OneNote notebooks. Even though 35 00:01:24,299 --> 00:01:26,939 Copilot notebooks now show up in OneNote where 36 00:01:26,939 --> 00:01:29,340 you have OneNote notebooks going back to the 37 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:32,060 notebooks. I love the, like, provisional title that 38 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:33,579 you've put in place for this one. So 39 00:01:33,579 --> 00:01:35,099 just to give people a sense for where 40 00:01:35,099 --> 00:01:35,920 this is going, 41 00:01:36,875 --> 00:01:38,314 Ben and I do some planning before these, 42 00:01:38,314 --> 00:01:39,834 and we try and like game out what 43 00:01:39,834 --> 00:01:42,234 could the title be. So Ben's proposal was 44 00:01:42,234 --> 00:01:45,694 Loop Workspaces, Loop Pages, Copilot Pages, Copilot Notebooks, 45 00:01:46,155 --> 00:01:49,054 and Copilot Notebooks in OneNote Notebooks. 46 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:50,829 Wrap your head around all that. 47 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:52,030 Discuss. 48 00:01:52,329 --> 00:01:52,989 I agree. 49 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:54,510 So yeah. 50 00:01:54,890 --> 00:01:56,489 Yes. Where do you wanna start with this, 51 00:01:56,489 --> 00:01:58,650 Scott? Should we start with what is a 52 00:01:58,650 --> 00:02:02,295 Copilot notebook or what our under understanding of 53 00:02:02,295 --> 00:02:04,615 a Copilot notebook is? Yeah. Or how you 54 00:02:04,615 --> 00:02:06,875 start with that? We got to start somewhere. 55 00:02:07,174 --> 00:02:08,794 And I think given where we ended 56 00:02:09,175 --> 00:02:10,074 up last episode 57 00:02:10,375 --> 00:02:11,594 on kind of the 58 00:02:12,294 --> 00:02:14,474 new Copilot landing experience 59 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:16,150 and all those kinds of things, I think 60 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:18,389 it's a natural extension to say, hey. Let's 61 00:02:18,389 --> 00:02:19,849 go dive into 62 00:02:20,709 --> 00:02:21,209 Copilot 63 00:02:21,829 --> 00:02:22,729 notebook land 64 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:24,250 since Copilot 65 00:02:24,789 --> 00:02:25,289 notebooks 66 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:27,049 and pages in Copilot 67 00:02:27,655 --> 00:02:29,834 are now kind of front and center, 68 00:02:30,614 --> 00:02:31,114 and 69 00:02:32,055 --> 00:02:33,414 I don't know what I'd call them, like 70 00:02:33,414 --> 00:02:35,834 a hero experience or like a first experience 71 00:02:36,694 --> 00:02:40,235 when you land in what's now the new 72 00:02:40,294 --> 00:02:41,514 default M365 73 00:02:42,134 --> 00:02:42,960 landing page. 74 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,760 So as a user, you're going to be 75 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,120 exposed to these and kind of hit in 76 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,460 the face with them, and have to learn 77 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:50,819 how to disambiguate 78 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:51,860 between 79 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,319 all of a sudden all your notebooks, which 80 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:55,840 you might be used to from OneNote or 81 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,599 things like that, aren't really here in this 82 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:59,164 view when it comes 83 00:02:59,465 --> 00:03:01,944 to Copilot notebooks, except they kinda can be 84 00:03:01,944 --> 00:03:03,224 in this view, so it gets a little 85 00:03:03,224 --> 00:03:04,905 weird and wonky right from the start. There's 86 00:03:04,905 --> 00:03:07,164 a few different ways to create these notebooks. 87 00:03:07,224 --> 00:03:09,625 The first one, to your point of you 88 00:03:09,625 --> 00:03:11,864 go in I was talking about guest access 89 00:03:11,864 --> 00:03:14,159 with Copilot earlier today. You can go into 90 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,080 a Copilot chat, and you can start a 91 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,780 new Copilot chat and 92 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 ask Copilot chat a question. So this is 93 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,040 like that new Microsoft three sixty five experience 94 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,439 we talked about last time where you could 95 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,919 say something like, tell us about the Microsoft 96 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,965 Cloud IT Pro podcast, and it's going to 97 00:03:29,965 --> 00:03:31,645 give you an answer. Right? You're gonna start 98 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:33,504 having a dialogue with, 99 00:03:33,965 --> 00:03:34,465 Microsoft. 100 00:03:34,844 --> 00:03:37,185 You're gonna start having a dialogue with Copilot 101 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:40,764 about some topic. And let's say you want 102 00:03:40,764 --> 00:03:42,330 to save that. So in this case, I'm 103 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:45,229 asking Copilot about Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast, 104 00:03:45,689 --> 00:03:47,769 and it gives me a response about our 105 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:49,789 website, where to find us in Apple Podcast, 106 00:03:49,849 --> 00:03:52,810 topics covered, all of that. And I want 107 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:55,530 to elaborate on this more. I want to 108 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:57,694 save this for later. I now have an 109 00:03:57,694 --> 00:03:58,194 option 110 00:03:58,495 --> 00:04:00,275 at the bottom of a 111 00:04:00,655 --> 00:04:01,155 Copilot 112 00:04:01,455 --> 00:04:01,955 response 113 00:04:02,574 --> 00:04:03,875 to edit in pages, 114 00:04:04,175 --> 00:04:06,175 which is not a notebook yet. It's a 115 00:04:06,175 --> 00:04:06,675 page. 116 00:04:07,215 --> 00:04:09,155 So if I click edit in pages, 117 00:04:09,775 --> 00:04:12,670 it pops up a page that is 118 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:13,710 created 119 00:04:14,330 --> 00:04:14,830 from 120 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:17,930 do I say this is created in loop? 121 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:19,770 Do I say this is a loop page? 122 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:21,610 Because it sort of is. It's sort of 123 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:23,449 a loop page, but it's not really like 124 00:04:23,449 --> 00:04:25,975 a loop. It's weird because it's not like 125 00:04:25,975 --> 00:04:29,035 an individual loop component nor is it automatically 126 00:04:29,175 --> 00:04:30,954 part of a loop workspace. So, 127 00:04:31,574 --> 00:04:33,415 yeah, it's got some of the stuff from 128 00:04:33,415 --> 00:04:35,175 loop on it. I the way I've been 129 00:04:35,175 --> 00:04:37,014 thinking about this stuff and trying to wrap 130 00:04:37,014 --> 00:04:38,394 my head around it is 131 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:41,120 rather than trying to 132 00:04:42,779 --> 00:04:45,259 embrace the chaos of the disparate experience and 133 00:04:45,259 --> 00:04:46,699 trying to figure out, like, does this live 134 00:04:46,699 --> 00:04:48,779 in Loop? Does this live in Copilot? Does 135 00:04:48,779 --> 00:04:49,839 this live in OneNote? 136 00:04:50,379 --> 00:04:51,819 Does this live in SharePoint? Like, is it 137 00:04:51,819 --> 00:04:53,564 a SharePoint page? Like, all these kinds of 138 00:04:53,564 --> 00:04:55,725 things is just saying, like, oh, yeah. It's 139 00:04:55,725 --> 00:04:57,805 a Copilot page. Even even if it might 140 00:04:57,805 --> 00:04:59,985 be a Loop page because I started it 141 00:05:00,125 --> 00:05:03,824 from a Copilot chat and specifically a Copilot 142 00:05:04,045 --> 00:05:04,545 chat 143 00:05:05,245 --> 00:05:05,985 from Copilot, 144 00:05:06,569 --> 00:05:10,009 not a Copilot chat from within a existing 145 00:05:10,009 --> 00:05:10,829 loop page. 146 00:05:11,449 --> 00:05:12,970 But at the same time, when you go 147 00:05:12,970 --> 00:05:14,189 edit this in a page, 148 00:05:14,729 --> 00:05:17,129 it's, like, still a dot loop file. Like, 149 00:05:17,129 --> 00:05:18,729 I can go down in this page because 150 00:05:18,729 --> 00:05:20,490 now I'm in an editing view, and I 151 00:05:20,490 --> 00:05:22,644 can do my slash to get my command, 152 00:05:22,785 --> 00:05:24,305 and I have all my loop stuff, my 153 00:05:24,305 --> 00:05:26,805 table, my bullet list, my task lists 154 00:05:27,185 --> 00:05:28,805 that integrate with Planner, 155 00:05:29,105 --> 00:05:32,064 communication, third party apps. Like, I can do 156 00:05:32,064 --> 00:05:33,764 all the loopy things 157 00:05:34,305 --> 00:05:34,805 in 158 00:05:35,105 --> 00:05:37,939 this page to go edit the response, modify 159 00:05:37,939 --> 00:05:39,000 the response, etcetera. 160 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:42,199 After I do that, if I want to, 161 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:44,580 I can go click in the upper right 162 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:46,740 hand corner on the ellipses and go click 163 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:47,560 on my options 164 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:49,379 and add this to a notebook. So I 165 00:05:49,379 --> 00:05:50,839 can start a collection 166 00:05:52,305 --> 00:05:53,045 of pages 167 00:05:53,504 --> 00:05:55,665 in a notebook from here. If I don't 168 00:05:55,665 --> 00:05:57,105 do that, and this is where I'm like, 169 00:05:57,105 --> 00:05:59,024 do I call this a loop page or 170 00:05:59,024 --> 00:06:02,144 not, I can also go to loop and 171 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:05,024 go to my workspaces where all, like, my 172 00:06:05,024 --> 00:06:05,524 personal 173 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:08,300 pages are stored. And within 174 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,740 my workspace, 175 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,540 this does show up as a loop page. 176 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:14,839 So now it's kind of crossed over a 177 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,080 little bit where this loop page or this 178 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Copilot page we're gonna try to stick with 179 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,560 that. This Copilot page does surface itself in 180 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,285 loop, so I can go view it in 181 00:06:23,285 --> 00:06:26,245 Loupe, or I can go add this to 182 00:06:26,245 --> 00:06:28,004 a notebook. And this is one of the 183 00:06:28,004 --> 00:06:29,865 things to me that just starts 184 00:06:30,245 --> 00:06:32,805 adding to the confusion here where I can't 185 00:06:32,805 --> 00:06:34,404 even create a notebook from here. I can 186 00:06:34,404 --> 00:06:35,685 only go in and add it to my 187 00:06:35,685 --> 00:06:37,620 recent notebooks. So if I have a notebook 188 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:40,740 about the podcast and I wanna add this 189 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:42,840 response from Copilot to that notebook, 190 00:06:43,220 --> 00:06:45,779 I can do that and start working with 191 00:06:45,779 --> 00:06:47,540 a notebook. It said something went wrong. I 192 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:49,400 can't add it to my notebooks right now. 193 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:51,939 But it gives you that ability to start 194 00:06:52,092 --> 00:06:53,764 I would say these notebooks give you the 195 00:06:53,764 --> 00:06:56,504 ability to start a collection of Copilot responses 196 00:06:56,884 --> 00:06:58,584 that are all bundled together 197 00:06:59,044 --> 00:07:00,504 in a Copilot 198 00:07:00,884 --> 00:07:03,204 notebook. I think the reason I would say 199 00:07:03,204 --> 00:07:05,464 call them Copilot pages and not loop pages 200 00:07:05,939 --> 00:07:09,060 is because, one, that's what Microsoft calls them. 201 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:10,259 Right? So if you go out and look 202 00:07:10,259 --> 00:07:11,000 at the documentation, 203 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:13,319 you will find articles 204 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:17,620 like overview of Copilot pages, Copilot notebooks, and 205 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:18,439 loop workspaces. 206 00:07:19,084 --> 00:07:21,805 You'll find articles like overview of Copilot pages 207 00:07:21,805 --> 00:07:23,024 and Copilot notebooks. 208 00:07:23,805 --> 00:07:26,444 So that branding aspect is there, and I 209 00:07:26,444 --> 00:07:26,944 think 210 00:07:27,404 --> 00:07:29,645 at some point, it becomes kind of forced 211 00:07:29,645 --> 00:07:31,024 memory along the way. 212 00:07:31,404 --> 00:07:33,324 The other thing that you run into is, 213 00:07:33,324 --> 00:07:36,790 like, yes, are Copilot pages really just loop? 214 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:41,410 Absolutely, they are, but they're loop pages that 215 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:43,990 don't belong to any workspace. 216 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:45,910 So, 217 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:47,805 you know, you end up in this weird 218 00:07:48,204 --> 00:07:50,144 little bit of a conundrum 219 00:07:50,685 --> 00:07:51,185 of 220 00:07:51,884 --> 00:07:53,884 how these things live and where you access 221 00:07:53,884 --> 00:07:55,485 them. So I think that's why it's important 222 00:07:55,485 --> 00:07:56,544 to kind of think about 223 00:07:57,084 --> 00:07:59,245 what was the experience that I started with. 224 00:07:59,245 --> 00:08:00,685 And I think as a user, you might 225 00:08:00,685 --> 00:08:02,129 have to take like a little bit of 226 00:08:02,290 --> 00:08:03,970 a decision here at this point in time 227 00:08:03,970 --> 00:08:06,209 given where the stack is, like, and be 228 00:08:06,209 --> 00:08:08,449 kind of mindful, like, am I starting from 229 00:08:08,449 --> 00:08:10,209 a Copilot chat, which is leading me to 230 00:08:10,209 --> 00:08:12,610 a Copilot page, which is really a Loop 231 00:08:12,610 --> 00:08:15,889 page? But that said, my best experience with 232 00:08:15,889 --> 00:08:18,504 interacting with that page moving forward is not 233 00:08:18,504 --> 00:08:20,345 going to be through Loop, it's gonna be 234 00:08:20,345 --> 00:08:21,085 through Copilot. 235 00:08:21,545 --> 00:08:24,025 And I bet over time as, like, mobile 236 00:08:24,025 --> 00:08:26,025 apps and other things continue to manifest and 237 00:08:26,025 --> 00:08:26,525 grow, 238 00:08:27,305 --> 00:08:30,360 that experience continues to land that way. Like, 239 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,279 I don't know that I see them coming 240 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:34,839 back point in time and making a decision 241 00:08:34,839 --> 00:08:37,259 to, like, backboard all the loop stuff into 242 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:37,820 the, 243 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,679 say, like, the Copilot app on Android or 244 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,519 iOS or things like that. It's a little 245 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:44,440 odd. So I would say that's how you 246 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,820 get a page into a notebook. 247 00:08:46,245 --> 00:08:48,164 The other option you have so that's starting 248 00:08:48,164 --> 00:08:50,565 from chat, but now it's like, well, I 249 00:08:50,565 --> 00:08:52,325 need a notebook to put these pages in. 250 00:08:52,325 --> 00:08:54,345 Right? I'm having a Copilot conversation. 251 00:08:54,965 --> 00:08:56,184 I want to 252 00:08:56,565 --> 00:08:58,720 store these pages in a notebook. Also, in 253 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,519 Microsoft three sixty five, you have that notebook 254 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,840 section. And if you click on notebooks in 255 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,860 your Microsoft three sixty five Copilot, 256 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,960 you'll see a collection of existing notebooks and 257 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,279 also the option to add a new notebook 258 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,095 here. So if you're gonna add a new 259 00:09:13,095 --> 00:09:14,935 notebook, this is where you can start thinking 260 00:09:14,935 --> 00:09:16,855 through, well, what do I want a notebook 261 00:09:16,855 --> 00:09:19,355 about? I want a notebook about our podcast, 262 00:09:19,415 --> 00:09:21,915 or I want a notebook about a particular 263 00:09:23,014 --> 00:09:25,355 SOW for a client. 264 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:28,309 And this is where it starts for me, 265 00:09:28,309 --> 00:09:31,129 like, getting almost all sorts of confusing is 266 00:09:31,509 --> 00:09:33,430 in that other experience, I'm adding a page 267 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:35,029 to a notebook. Here, when I go start 268 00:09:35,029 --> 00:09:35,610 a notebook, 269 00:09:35,990 --> 00:09:37,509 I can go give it a name and 270 00:09:37,509 --> 00:09:40,375 just do my new notebook and hit create. 271 00:09:40,375 --> 00:09:42,855 It's gonna create a blank notebook, nothing in 272 00:09:42,855 --> 00:09:45,514 it, so I can start adding chats. Or 273 00:09:45,894 --> 00:09:48,214 on the other hand, I can go pick 274 00:09:48,214 --> 00:09:50,695 a file, not a loop page, not a 275 00:09:50,695 --> 00:09:51,355 loop workspace, 276 00:09:51,669 --> 00:09:53,049 but, like, a Word document 277 00:09:53,429 --> 00:09:56,889 or a OneNote page or an Excel file. 278 00:09:57,029 --> 00:09:59,929 I even have CSV files showing up in 279 00:10:00,629 --> 00:10:03,350 my create a notebook where you actually pick 280 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:06,169 a file that you want to start 281 00:10:06,914 --> 00:10:09,254 you wanna add to your notebook for additional 282 00:10:09,554 --> 00:10:10,054 context 283 00:10:10,595 --> 00:10:12,674 as you work in that notebook. So if 284 00:10:12,674 --> 00:10:14,274 I pick a Word file and create a 285 00:10:14,274 --> 00:10:16,674 notebook, it adds it as a reference, and 286 00:10:16,674 --> 00:10:18,595 now I have a new notebook. I have 287 00:10:18,595 --> 00:10:20,134 a Word file as a reference, 288 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:22,029 and then I have another Copilot 289 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:24,190 chat dialogue in here 290 00:10:24,570 --> 00:10:27,070 to be able to start having conversations. 291 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:29,470 And it's gonna pull in 292 00:10:30,649 --> 00:10:33,289 a information from that file I added as 293 00:10:33,289 --> 00:10:35,789 I go start having conversations with Copilot 294 00:10:36,154 --> 00:10:36,975 in this notebook. 295 00:10:37,514 --> 00:10:38,014 So 296 00:10:38,394 --> 00:10:40,095 in my head, I almost 297 00:10:40,475 --> 00:10:42,875 as my head tries not to explode, it's 298 00:10:42,875 --> 00:10:45,355 almost like I'm creating a little mini agent 299 00:10:45,355 --> 00:10:47,595 type experience here where I'm starting to pull 300 00:10:47,595 --> 00:10:51,294 resources together, whether it's Copilot chats or files 301 00:10:52,129 --> 00:10:53,990 or even other pages 302 00:10:54,690 --> 00:10:56,309 to create a collection 303 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:59,990 of reference material for an interaction with Copilot? 304 00:11:00,209 --> 00:11:03,509 Kinda, sorta, but not really. I would discourage 305 00:11:03,570 --> 00:11:06,230 you from thinking about it as an agent. 306 00:11:06,725 --> 00:11:09,925 So agents and declarative agents are a little 307 00:11:09,925 --> 00:11:12,105 bit of a different beast with their ability 308 00:11:12,965 --> 00:11:16,085 to connect to external data sources, maybe like 309 00:11:16,085 --> 00:11:19,144 SAP and HR system, external websites. 310 00:11:19,549 --> 00:11:22,110 Yep. What is common across these experiences is 311 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:23,329 the ability to 312 00:11:24,429 --> 00:11:24,929 leverage 313 00:11:25,709 --> 00:11:28,829 additional things for additional context, particularly in the 314 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:31,569 particularly for, like, retrieval augmented generation. 315 00:11:32,054 --> 00:11:34,315 So in this case, you're creating a notebook, 316 00:11:34,455 --> 00:11:36,774 which is basically a container. So you could 317 00:11:36,774 --> 00:11:37,975 have all you could have done this all 318 00:11:37,975 --> 00:11:39,654 in a chat without a notebook as well, 319 00:11:39,654 --> 00:11:41,254 where you could have had a chat and 320 00:11:41,254 --> 00:11:44,490 just reference those multiple files in there. But 321 00:11:44,490 --> 00:11:45,690 I think what you get out of the 322 00:11:45,690 --> 00:11:48,570 notebook experience is the ability to then take 323 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:49,389 your chats 324 00:11:49,769 --> 00:11:52,009 and rather than persist them as this, like, 325 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:54,090 massive stream where maybe I've been chatting about 326 00:11:54,090 --> 00:11:56,384 these three documents or whatever for a while, 327 00:11:56,465 --> 00:11:59,184 but start to kinda discreetly pull out bits 328 00:11:59,184 --> 00:12:01,605 and pieces of that, park them in pages, 329 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:02,965 Copilot pages, 330 00:12:03,345 --> 00:12:04,404 inside your notebook, 331 00:12:04,785 --> 00:12:07,605 and then have all of that as kinda 332 00:12:07,745 --> 00:12:08,644 one stop 333 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,879 shopping, but it's still a little bit weird 334 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:13,960 because the other thing that you run into 335 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,000 here is, much like with the chat, this 336 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,639 notebook is unique to you. Right? It's in 337 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:20,779 your user space. 338 00:12:21,324 --> 00:12:22,065 It's ultimately 339 00:12:22,445 --> 00:12:25,584 allocated to, I believe, a SharePoint embedded experience 340 00:12:25,644 --> 00:12:27,884 in the back end where it's like Yeah. 341 00:12:27,964 --> 00:12:30,544 Your loop space, your MyLoop workspace, 342 00:12:31,245 --> 00:12:34,044 your Copilot notebook, and your Copilot pages are 343 00:12:34,044 --> 00:12:37,149 all in a SharePoint embedded container, which is 344 00:12:37,149 --> 00:12:39,389 a user owned container, which is allocated to 345 00:12:39,389 --> 00:12:41,309 you in the life cycle of your user 346 00:12:41,309 --> 00:12:43,070 account or really the life cycle of your 347 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:45,090 per user entitlement for these experiences 348 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:46,929 and how they come together. 349 00:12:47,389 --> 00:12:49,795 And that's in contrast, I think, to, like 350 00:12:49,795 --> 00:12:52,195 I said, that chat, which doesn't include really, 351 00:12:52,195 --> 00:12:54,995 like, the multiple page experience. Like, sure, I 352 00:12:54,995 --> 00:12:56,595 could take a chat and start spinning out 353 00:12:56,595 --> 00:12:58,355 components of it to pages, but then I 354 00:12:58,355 --> 00:12:59,875 need a place to park those pages. If 355 00:12:59,875 --> 00:13:01,495 they're all the same, that's a notebook. 356 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:03,750 And then the other aspect of things when 357 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:05,929 you think about maybe like a notebook versus 358 00:13:06,149 --> 00:13:08,549 a declarative agent and building one of those 359 00:13:08,549 --> 00:13:10,710 out is you're not grounding this with, like, 360 00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:13,830 additional system context, prompts, instructions, things like that. 361 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:16,090 It's just a collection, and it's also not 362 00:13:16,309 --> 00:13:17,529 it's also not 363 00:13:18,044 --> 00:13:19,804 immediately shareable. So, like, I can create a 364 00:13:19,804 --> 00:13:23,004 declarative agent, say, like, go park that agent 365 00:13:23,004 --> 00:13:24,845 against a body of knowledge that's already in 366 00:13:24,845 --> 00:13:27,245 a SharePoint site someplace else, whether it's in 367 00:13:27,245 --> 00:13:29,325 my OneDrive, whether it's in a team, SharePoint, 368 00:13:29,325 --> 00:13:31,769 anything like that. Give it all that system 369 00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:34,790 context and instructions for that agent, and then 370 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:36,389 I can take that agent and share it 371 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:38,070 out with my organization. I can share it 372 00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:39,670 out with individuals. I can share it with 373 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:42,309 the team, things like that, and kinda get 374 00:13:42,309 --> 00:13:42,809 them 375 00:13:43,304 --> 00:13:45,065 going along the way. I don't know if 376 00:13:45,065 --> 00:13:47,225 this experience ever turns into that where maybe 377 00:13:47,225 --> 00:13:49,245 now I can start to take my Copilot 378 00:13:49,304 --> 00:13:51,705 notebooks and then share them with end people 379 00:13:51,705 --> 00:13:52,845 and open up permissions 380 00:13:53,544 --> 00:13:55,544 and get some things going there. Like, I 381 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:58,000 really view these more as, like, the an 382 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,699 extension of the Copilot chat experience 383 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:02,079 where now I can start to bring together 384 00:14:02,079 --> 00:14:04,259 multiple chats, multiple pieces of information 385 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,440 into what's effectively, like, a private chat for 386 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,159 me that's doing rag against whatever is in 387 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:10,964 that collection. 388 00:14:14,945 --> 00:14:17,024 Do you feel overwhelmed by trying to manage 389 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:19,345 your Office three sixty five environment? Are you 390 00:14:19,345 --> 00:14:22,644 facing unexpected issues that disrupt your company's productivity? 391 00:14:22,865 --> 00:14:24,830 Intelligink is here to help. 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You 413 00:15:22,339 --> 00:15:23,539 don't wanna save all of it. You just 414 00:15:23,539 --> 00:15:25,379 wanna save part of it. You can save 415 00:15:25,379 --> 00:15:27,139 it to the notebook. But then you could 416 00:15:27,139 --> 00:15:30,600 also pull multiple chats into a single notebook. 417 00:15:30,834 --> 00:15:32,514 So as you have three, four, or five 418 00:15:32,514 --> 00:15:34,855 different conversations within Copilot 419 00:15:35,315 --> 00:15:37,394 chat, it does give you a central place 420 00:15:37,394 --> 00:15:39,834 to kind of consolidate all those together. And 421 00:15:39,834 --> 00:15:41,714 I think that's a good way to think 422 00:15:41,714 --> 00:15:43,815 about it is, like, personal consolidation 423 00:15:44,195 --> 00:15:45,894 versus organizational consolidation. 424 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:48,090 And a lot of that probably comes back 425 00:15:48,090 --> 00:15:50,009 to how you think about like a notebook 426 00:15:50,009 --> 00:15:51,389 as a notebook or 427 00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:53,710 a loop workspace as a loop workspace 428 00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:58,009 is some of those constructs around personal versus 429 00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:59,529 shared and things like that. Like I can 430 00:15:59,529 --> 00:16:01,245 have a OneNote notebook in my OneDrive, and 431 00:16:01,245 --> 00:16:03,004 I can certainly share it with somebody. But 432 00:16:03,004 --> 00:16:04,925 if it was a Team notebook, it's better 433 00:16:04,925 --> 00:16:05,825 to be serviced 434 00:16:06,205 --> 00:16:08,524 and share surface from like a Teams site 435 00:16:08,524 --> 00:16:09,425 or from 436 00:16:09,965 --> 00:16:12,065 an M365 group or a Microsoft 437 00:16:12,445 --> 00:16:14,305 Team, Teams team, 438 00:16:15,659 --> 00:16:18,139 as those things come together. So the other 439 00:16:18,139 --> 00:16:20,139 thing about this I wanna mention, because this 440 00:16:20,139 --> 00:16:23,100 is a part that really threw me at 441 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:24,620 first when I was starting to play with 442 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:27,259 this too, is we mentioned the chat. Right? 443 00:16:27,259 --> 00:16:28,539 Like, we could go in and have a 444 00:16:28,539 --> 00:16:30,320 chat, click to edit in pages. 445 00:16:30,804 --> 00:16:33,205 It creates a Loupe page where I can 446 00:16:33,205 --> 00:16:33,865 now go 447 00:16:34,245 --> 00:16:36,404 modify it like I would modify a Loupe 448 00:16:36,404 --> 00:16:38,725 page. It also shows up in Loupe under 449 00:16:38,725 --> 00:16:39,384 my workspaces. 450 00:16:39,845 --> 00:16:41,684 So I'm like, okay. Technically, I can get 451 00:16:41,684 --> 00:16:43,629 to this from both places now. Right? It 452 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:45,829 well, I created it from Copilot. It's part 453 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:47,829 of my Copilot notebook. It's really not part 454 00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:49,669 of a workspace. It does show up under 455 00:16:49,669 --> 00:16:51,990 my workspaces and loop. However, once I have 456 00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:53,990 a notebook in here, I have a link 457 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:56,325 to create a new page. I'm like, okay. 458 00:16:56,325 --> 00:16:58,345 Great. I can go click a new page. 459 00:16:58,565 --> 00:17:01,445 This gives me a loop page. I mean, 460 00:17:01,445 --> 00:17:03,205 it's like the loop interface. I can go 461 00:17:03,205 --> 00:17:04,565 give it a title. I can add an 462 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:06,805 icon. I can add a cover. This is 463 00:17:06,805 --> 00:17:08,664 my new page in my, 464 00:17:09,924 --> 00:17:10,424 notebook. 465 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,720 Go do whatever I want to in here. 466 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,360 Have conversations with Copilot. There's a Copilot chat 467 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,360 button in it. All the things. Now I 468 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,039 go close it, and my new page is 469 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,680 here in my notebook. However, if I create 470 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,240 a new page within the notebook, it doesn't 471 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,015 show up anywhere in Loupe. It's like just 472 00:17:27,075 --> 00:17:29,714 missing the only place I can find this 473 00:17:29,714 --> 00:17:31,174 page by default 474 00:17:31,634 --> 00:17:33,714 is now in the notebook. So I could 475 00:17:33,714 --> 00:17:35,894 have two or three pages in a notebook, 476 00:17:36,194 --> 00:17:38,339 and based on whether I started it from 477 00:17:38,339 --> 00:17:41,059 within a Copilot chat or based on when 478 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:43,160 if I started it within the notebook itself, 479 00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:45,799 it shows up in different places. 480 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:47,779 For me, that was just like I was 481 00:17:47,779 --> 00:17:49,619 like, wait a minute. What's going on here? 482 00:17:49,619 --> 00:17:51,380 I have some of my pages in Loop, 483 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:52,839 but not all of my pages. 484 00:17:53,174 --> 00:17:55,015 And I really had to dig through that. 485 00:17:55,015 --> 00:17:57,735 And I think that's where like, even in 486 00:17:57,735 --> 00:17:59,255 that title is, like, is it a Loupe 487 00:17:59,255 --> 00:18:01,255 page? Is it a Copilot page? Is really 488 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,095 well, some of these show up in Loupe. 489 00:18:03,095 --> 00:18:05,654 You really want to stick to, I'm doing 490 00:18:05,654 --> 00:18:08,630 Copilot notebooks and pages, so I'm going to 491 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:11,109 go to Copilot for everything, or I'm doing 492 00:18:11,109 --> 00:18:11,849 loop workspaces 493 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:14,470 and loop pages, and I'm gonna go to 494 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:15,289 loop for everything, 495 00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:17,909 stick to one or the other without trying 496 00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:19,369 to wrap your head around 497 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:21,765 how do these integrate together or can these 498 00:18:21,765 --> 00:18:24,724 integrate together, as well they're both kinda built 499 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:26,565 on I mean, they're built on the same 500 00:18:26,565 --> 00:18:29,684 technology. Under the covers, it's all fluid loop 501 00:18:29,684 --> 00:18:31,765 stuff. At this point in time, they really 502 00:18:31,765 --> 00:18:34,009 still feel like two very different things. You 503 00:18:34,009 --> 00:18:35,850 have your Copilot construct to it. You have 504 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:36,750 your loop construct. 505 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:39,130 Don't try to overlap them. I guess would 506 00:18:39,130 --> 00:18:39,869 be my 507 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:43,049 advice and guidance there is that's when my 508 00:18:43,049 --> 00:18:44,570 head starts hurting is when I try to 509 00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:46,410 think about, do these integrate together? Do these 510 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:47,150 work together? 511 00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:49,615 Now they're really two separate things, and it 512 00:18:49,615 --> 00:18:51,234 helps my head a lot. 513 00:18:52,174 --> 00:18:52,835 I think, 514 00:18:53,294 --> 00:18:53,794 yeah, 515 00:18:54,095 --> 00:18:55,075 you have to 516 00:18:55,454 --> 00:18:56,194 as in 517 00:18:56,654 --> 00:18:57,394 all things 518 00:18:57,775 --> 00:19:00,174 Microsoft three sixty five land, especially when they're 519 00:19:00,174 --> 00:19:02,690 newer like this, you have to, I think, 520 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:04,470 approach them with a little bit of intentionality 521 00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:06,549 and just hopping into 522 00:19:07,410 --> 00:19:10,130 the individual experience versus worrying too much about 523 00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:12,710 the shared one, how that manifests for you. 524 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:13,430 So 525 00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:15,910 I'd imagine over time, 526 00:19:16,544 --> 00:19:19,504 one would hope, that someone thinks about this 527 00:19:19,504 --> 00:19:22,065 container within a container concept, within the containers 528 00:19:22,065 --> 00:19:24,304 of your SharePoint embedded workspace of, like, oh, 529 00:19:24,304 --> 00:19:25,984 hey. That page that was created in a 530 00:19:25,984 --> 00:19:27,984 notebook, maybe that should be surfaced up to 531 00:19:27,984 --> 00:19:30,649 my loop workspaces or things like that. In 532 00:19:30,649 --> 00:19:32,250 lieu of that, you're right. Like, hey. Just, 533 00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:34,569 like, try not to carry the mental overhead 534 00:19:34,569 --> 00:19:35,950 and the cognitive load. 535 00:19:36,329 --> 00:19:38,409 Like, let's just hop in and do what 536 00:19:38,409 --> 00:19:39,309 we need to do. 537 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:40,190 But 538 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:43,470 if you become mindful of it over time, 539 00:19:43,825 --> 00:19:46,225 that lets you start to do some more 540 00:19:46,225 --> 00:19:48,945 interesting things. Because now, let's say you do 541 00:19:48,945 --> 00:19:51,904 start at the top and you're consistently creating 542 00:19:51,904 --> 00:19:52,644 your pages 543 00:19:53,265 --> 00:19:56,244 from Copilot chats or just from Copilot pages 544 00:19:56,305 --> 00:19:57,205 and that experience, 545 00:19:57,649 --> 00:19:59,809 well, those are all gonna show up in 546 00:19:59,809 --> 00:20:02,289 your Loop workspace. And if you recognize that 547 00:20:02,289 --> 00:20:04,289 and you wanted access to them in Loop, 548 00:20:04,289 --> 00:20:06,450 great. Now you're gonna get that on both 549 00:20:06,450 --> 00:20:08,710 sides, right, both sides of the coin there. 550 00:20:08,849 --> 00:20:11,009 The other thing that you'll get is the 551 00:20:11,009 --> 00:20:13,029 ability to now take those pages. 552 00:20:13,384 --> 00:20:15,404 Like one page can go to end notebooks 553 00:20:15,785 --> 00:20:16,285 versus 554 00:20:16,585 --> 00:20:18,825 one page to one notebook, and kind of 555 00:20:18,825 --> 00:20:21,625 pulling those things around with you as well. 556 00:20:21,625 --> 00:20:22,125 So 557 00:20:22,505 --> 00:20:23,805 if it stays in this 558 00:20:24,585 --> 00:20:26,985 model, like, yeah, it's going to take a 559 00:20:26,985 --> 00:20:28,205 little bit, I think, for 560 00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:30,619 users to to wrap their heads around and 561 00:20:30,619 --> 00:20:32,779 get on board with it, but, you know, 562 00:20:32,779 --> 00:20:35,099 you could conceivably build out a workflow around 563 00:20:35,099 --> 00:20:35,839 it today. 564 00:20:36,299 --> 00:20:38,880 You just gotta have, like, all that intentionality 565 00:20:39,259 --> 00:20:40,859 walking into it to be able to get 566 00:20:40,859 --> 00:20:43,005 there and recognize kinda which level of the 567 00:20:43,005 --> 00:20:44,445 pyramid you're at. Am I at the top 568 00:20:44,445 --> 00:20:45,884 level of the pyramid, maybe in, like, a 569 00:20:45,884 --> 00:20:47,505 chat where I landed in 570 00:20:48,205 --> 00:20:49,565 portal.office.com, 571 00:20:49,565 --> 00:20:51,424 which got me redirected over here 572 00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:54,365 to three sixty five dot Microsoft dot cloud 573 00:20:54,365 --> 00:20:56,440 or or whatever it is? Am I at 574 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,200 the next layer of the pyramid? Like, am 575 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,799 I a step down where now I have 576 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,200 Copilot pages and Copilot notebooks, or am I 577 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,880 at the third layer of the pyramid where 578 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,539 I'm actually 579 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,380 in a notebook 580 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,940 and that kind of lower level container 581 00:21:09,805 --> 00:21:11,644 along the way. So if you can wrap 582 00:21:11,644 --> 00:21:13,484 your head around all that, great. Right? Like, 583 00:21:13,484 --> 00:21:15,404 maybe it's something you can embrace and use 584 00:21:15,404 --> 00:21:16,924 as a user that's out there. If you 585 00:21:16,924 --> 00:21:18,525 can't wrap your head around any of that 586 00:21:18,525 --> 00:21:20,525 stuff, like, just don't get frustrated by it. 587 00:21:20,525 --> 00:21:22,525 You gotta live in the experience and think, 588 00:21:22,525 --> 00:21:24,829 like, alright. I'm only gonna ever access stuff 589 00:21:24,829 --> 00:21:27,970 through the Copilot app and not through Copilot 590 00:21:28,029 --> 00:21:29,970 plus Loop or Loop plus Copilot 591 00:21:30,349 --> 00:21:33,470 or, forbid, because these are all just fluid 592 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:35,230 components at the end of the day, going 593 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:36,690 out and finding your component 594 00:21:37,565 --> 00:21:38,765 and being able to share it out that 595 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,164 way. I agree a 100%. I think I 596 00:21:41,164 --> 00:21:43,025 mean, the other thing that would be nice 597 00:21:43,325 --> 00:21:45,005 too that I think I was kinda hoping 598 00:21:45,005 --> 00:21:47,244 for is even in Loupe where I have 599 00:21:47,244 --> 00:21:48,865 my meeting notes and my workspaces. 600 00:21:49,325 --> 00:21:51,690 Like, those are two different things. It feels 601 00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:53,950 like we could just add Copilot notebooks 602 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:55,630 right underneath my workspaces. 603 00:21:56,009 --> 00:21:58,250 Again, I think that helps even from that 604 00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:02,009 cognitive load perspective of, okay. These are notebooks 605 00:22:02,009 --> 00:22:04,089 and these are workspaces. Like, those are two 606 00:22:04,089 --> 00:22:05,230 different things. 607 00:22:05,585 --> 00:22:08,144 Let's separate them out that way versus this 608 00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:08,644 random 609 00:22:09,265 --> 00:22:11,265 page showing up in Loop every once in 610 00:22:11,265 --> 00:22:12,944 a while, which then I think brings us 611 00:22:12,944 --> 00:22:15,184 back to OneNote and that these are also 612 00:22:15,184 --> 00:22:16,944 starting to show up in OneNote, which is 613 00:22:16,944 --> 00:22:18,625 where I mean, I kinda knew these were 614 00:22:18,625 --> 00:22:19,825 out here. I've played with them a little 615 00:22:19,825 --> 00:22:22,309 bit. OneNote, now my notebooks show up, which 616 00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:24,369 this, again, has nothing to do with loop. 617 00:22:24,369 --> 00:22:27,029 You can do loop components in OneNote pages, 618 00:22:27,329 --> 00:22:28,869 but this Copilot notebooks, 619 00:22:29,329 --> 00:22:31,569 when you look at it, it's really just 620 00:22:31,569 --> 00:22:33,565 like an iframe, for lack of a better 621 00:22:33,565 --> 00:22:36,045 way to describe it, into that Copilot notebook 622 00:22:36,045 --> 00:22:36,945 section. So 623 00:22:37,245 --> 00:22:40,924 these Copilot notebooks, again, the notebook things, nothing 624 00:22:40,924 --> 00:22:43,404 to do with Loop. It's these Copilot notebooks 625 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,904 from the Microsoft three sixty five Copilot experience 626 00:22:46,285 --> 00:22:48,309 that are now starting to show up in 627 00:22:48,309 --> 00:22:49,130 a separate 628 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:52,230 navigation section within OneNote. I will say I 629 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:54,170 think there's a big difference here 630 00:22:55,269 --> 00:22:55,849 on the 631 00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:59,349 administration side of things. So kinda disconnecting from 632 00:22:59,349 --> 00:23:01,269 the user experience here a little bit, like, 633 00:23:01,269 --> 00:23:03,424 let's kind of take a step back. Like, 634 00:23:03,424 --> 00:23:05,105 you're an admin of a tenant and you 635 00:23:05,105 --> 00:23:07,365 need to get in and manage these out. 636 00:23:07,744 --> 00:23:11,105 They're created as part of a SharePoint embedded 637 00:23:11,105 --> 00:23:12,404 workspace per user. 638 00:23:12,865 --> 00:23:14,484 So when you start to think about, like, 639 00:23:14,625 --> 00:23:16,625 life cycle of an entitlement, life cycle of 640 00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:17,839 a user organization, 641 00:23:18,619 --> 00:23:20,700 these are all private to that user. So 642 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,200 when a user leaves an organization, you can 643 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,200 temporarily reassign that OneDrive to somebody else. And 644 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:29,674 like one of my team members leaves, I 645 00:23:29,674 --> 00:23:31,755 can get temporarily reassigned their OneDrive, and I 646 00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:33,194 can go in there and get any data 647 00:23:33,194 --> 00:23:34,554 out that I need to, things like that, 648 00:23:34,554 --> 00:23:35,835 if they didn't happen to put it in 649 00:23:35,835 --> 00:23:38,174 a team site. Not so with this stuff. 650 00:23:38,234 --> 00:23:41,515 These are in your embedded collections in SharePoint 651 00:23:41,515 --> 00:23:44,654 embedded, and they're only there for you. 652 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:48,349 So as users dive more and more into 653 00:23:48,349 --> 00:23:49,090 this individuality, 654 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:50,930 plus they have 655 00:23:51,309 --> 00:23:52,369 what I would call 656 00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:53,410 very, 657 00:23:54,029 --> 00:23:56,509 very generous quotas on these. They're on the 658 00:23:56,509 --> 00:23:59,789 order of 25 terabytes today, and who knows? 659 00:23:59,789 --> 00:24:00,884 Like, so so 660 00:24:01,345 --> 00:24:03,345 per embedded workspace, like the collection of all 661 00:24:03,345 --> 00:24:04,484 your notebooks, pages, 662 00:24:04,865 --> 00:24:07,105 loop loop workspace, all that, you get 25 663 00:24:07,105 --> 00:24:07,605 terabytes. 664 00:24:08,384 --> 00:24:09,684 That's not an inconsequential 665 00:24:09,984 --> 00:24:11,825 amount of data to be able to all 666 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:13,345 of a sudden hoard a bunch of stuff 667 00:24:13,345 --> 00:24:15,920 away that is unique to just you, only 668 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,160 you, and only ever you. Yeah. That could 669 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,640 be a whole another discussion. It's just around 670 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,720 storage of where all this stuff starts going 671 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,320 now. I think it's important to keep in 672 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,920 the back of your mind. Like Right. Once 673 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,759 users start going down these paths and doing 674 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:28,740 these things, like, 675 00:24:29,144 --> 00:24:31,545 the users that find value in this, like 676 00:24:31,545 --> 00:24:33,484 that has to be balanced with 677 00:24:33,865 --> 00:24:34,365 the 678 00:24:34,744 --> 00:24:36,825 value to the business, right, in and of 679 00:24:36,825 --> 00:24:39,144 itself and how that exists. There could be 680 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,384 a bunch of super powerful stuff that you 681 00:24:41,384 --> 00:24:43,965 as an individual can do with a Copilot 682 00:24:44,025 --> 00:24:46,559 notebook and the collection of Copilot pages and 683 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,319 the references that you put it and things 684 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,000 like that, but it's very much a you 685 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,500 experience. 686 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:52,720 So is there going to be another click 687 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,640 stop where this stuff comes out and it 688 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,400 levels up to, Can I start doing a 689 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,400 Copilot notebook within like 690 00:24:59,184 --> 00:25:00,404 within that M365 691 00:25:00,865 --> 00:25:03,585 group or within that Teams team? Whatever it 692 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:04,484 happens to be, 693 00:25:04,785 --> 00:25:07,585 maybe, but that stuff doesn't exist today. So 694 00:25:07,585 --> 00:25:09,184 I think you also got to kind of 695 00:25:09,184 --> 00:25:12,005 tread carefully in the early days in how 696 00:25:12,509 --> 00:25:14,769 you direct your users within your organization 697 00:25:15,070 --> 00:25:16,830 to get at all this stuff. Yeah. And 698 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:18,269 we'll put some links in the show notes. 699 00:25:18,269 --> 00:25:20,910 Like, there's an entire table that Microsoft gives 700 00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:23,390 you on where these different things are stored, 701 00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:25,230 so absolutely have to do that. But I 702 00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:27,254 do have we ran into me trying to 703 00:25:27,254 --> 00:25:28,855 fix audio issues, and I have a meeting 704 00:25:28,855 --> 00:25:30,554 I need to jump to. Alright. Well, 705 00:25:31,014 --> 00:25:33,254 as always, thanks for the time. Yes. Thank 706 00:25:33,254 --> 00:25:34,855 you as well. We might have to come 707 00:25:34,855 --> 00:25:36,714 back to this one as this changes 708 00:25:37,095 --> 00:25:39,115 and evolves over time. But 709 00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:41,400 like we said, definitely go play with this, 710 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,400 spend some time with it, understand it, think 711 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,720 of notebooks and loop as separate things even 712 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,279 though the technology is the same, and let 713 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,119 us know if you have any questions or 714 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:50,619 any 715 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,920 particular aspects of this you would like us 716 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,920 to dive into further. Great. Thanks, Ben. Thanks, 717 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,724 Scott. We'll talk 718 00:25:57,724 --> 00:25:59,901 to you later. If you enjoyed the podcast, 719 00:25:59,901 --> 00:26:01,644 go leave us a five star rating in 720 00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,724 iTunes. It helps to get the word out 721 00:26:03,724 --> 00:26:05,884 so more IT pros can learn about Office 722 00:26:05,884 --> 00:26:07,265 three sixty five and Azure. 723 00:26:07,884 --> 00:26:09,484 If you have any questions you want us 724 00:26:09,484 --> 00:26:11,359 to address address on the show, or feedback 725 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,759 about the show, feel free to reach out 726 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:17,119 via our website, Twitter, or Facebook. Thanks again 727 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,900 for listening, and have a great day.

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Ben Stegink, Scott Hoag

On the MS Cloud IT Pro Podcast, Scott and Ben discuss the Microsoft Cloud with a focus on IT Pros. They'll discuss the latest in Microsoft 365 and Office 365 News, Azure news and talk about their experiences with managing the Microsoft Cloud as well as interview industry experts on various cloud technology. They'll cover things such as SharePoint, Exchange, Microsoft Teams, PowerShell, Azure, Azure AD, Security, Networking, Storage, and the many other technologies and products that have made their way into the Microsoft 365 suite and Azure. To stay up-to-date on the latest in Microsoft Cloud news and gain some valuable knowledge as you deploy it within your own organization, make sure to tune in every week! Find out more at msclouditpropodcast.com.

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