Episode 425 – Exploring Collaboration and Governance at the MVP Summit with Joy Apple

April 09, 2026

Episode Transcript

Welcome to Episode 425 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast. In this audio and video episode recorded live at Microsoft headquarters during the MVP Summit, Ben welcomes a return guest, Joy Apple, to the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast and discuss her 20-year career in the Microsoft collaboration space, from financial services to SharePoint training, consulting, and her current role at Orchestry Software. Joy explains Orchestry as a Microsoft 365 governance automation layer covering templated provisioning for SharePoint and Teams, archiving policies (including Microsoft 365 Archive), guest management, and OneDrive governance. They emphasize that AI and Copilot amplify existing information architecture, permissions, and data hygiene issues, making governance more critical. They describe the MVP Summit as a “family reunion” where MVPs attend sessions and reconnect with peers. Joy and Ben also spend some time describing paths becoming an MVP and how much they just enjoy the community around the Microsoft 365 ecosystem and connecting with people both at MVP Summit as well as various conferences throughout the year.

About Joy Apple

Joy is a Microsoft MVP and Director of Success and Enablement at Orchestry. With years of experience as an information technologist, I’m dedicated to helping organizations implement technology with a purpose-driven, “human-first” approach, ensuring tools like Microsoft 365 empower people to do their best work.

Teaching and knowledge-sharing are at the heart of what I do. Whether it’s through volunteering in the Microsoft Community, speaking at events, or writing as the “Joy of SharePoint,” I’m passionate about helping others unlock their potential with modern workplace solutions.
Im also a cohost of the Guardians of M365 Governance podcast, where I explore the challenges and rewards of governance, and a columnist for She is Tulsa, a quarterly magazine celebrating impactful stories from my local community.

Outside of work, you’ll often find me enjoying live music or discovering new spots in Tulsa, Oklahoma, combining my love of connection and creativity wherever I go.

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1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Welcome to episode 425 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,359 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast recorded 3 00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:12,179 live 03/27/2026 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,525 from the Microsoft Studios at the Microsoft MVP 5 00:00:15,584 --> 00:00:18,224 Summit. This is a show about Microsoft three 6 00:00:18,224 --> 00:00:20,385 sixty five and Azure from the perspective of 7 00:00:20,385 --> 00:00:22,704 IT pros and end users, where we discuss 8 00:00:22,704 --> 00:00:24,704 a topic or recent news and how it 9 00:00:24,704 --> 00:00:26,964 relates to you. In this episode, 10 00:00:27,469 --> 00:00:30,349 Scott quadruple books himself with meetings, and Joy 11 00:00:30,349 --> 00:00:33,170 Apple joins Ben once again on the show. 12 00:00:33,309 --> 00:00:35,869 It's the end of MVP summit, and Joy 13 00:00:35,869 --> 00:00:37,710 and Ben are a little short on sleep, 14 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:39,090 but have a great time 15 00:00:39,469 --> 00:00:42,429 learning a bit more about Joy Apple and 16 00:00:42,429 --> 00:00:44,664 her road to becoming a Microsoft MVP. 17 00:00:45,125 --> 00:00:47,545 We also spent some time chatting about SharePoint, 18 00:00:47,765 --> 00:00:50,564 OneDrive, Teams, and the importance of governance in 19 00:00:50,564 --> 00:00:52,265 Microsoft March, 20 00:00:52,325 --> 00:00:55,145 especially in this age of AI. And finally, 21 00:00:55,204 --> 00:00:57,204 we wrap up just talking a bit about 22 00:00:57,204 --> 00:01:00,149 the community around around Microsoft three '65 at 23 00:01:00,149 --> 00:01:02,329 the MVP summit, at conferences, 24 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:05,189 and that family atmosphere that we enjoy so 25 00:01:05,189 --> 00:01:07,750 much at these events. Let's dive into the 26 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:08,250 show. 27 00:01:10,390 --> 00:01:12,384 We are here for another episode of the 28 00:01:12,384 --> 00:01:15,265 Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast with Joy, and 29 00:01:15,265 --> 00:01:17,125 we are we're in a fancy 30 00:01:17,664 --> 00:01:18,164 studio. 31 00:01:18,944 --> 00:01:20,244 It is so fancy. 32 00:01:20,625 --> 00:01:22,465 It is. We're at the Microsoft I was 33 00:01:22,465 --> 00:01:24,644 gonna say, I was gonna name the podcast. 34 00:01:24,989 --> 00:01:27,649 We're at the MVP summit in Redmond 35 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:29,170 at Microsoft headquarters 36 00:01:29,469 --> 00:01:31,390 at the mothership as people like to say. 37 00:01:31,390 --> 00:01:33,549 Right? Yes. Right. We are at the Microsoft 38 00:01:33,549 --> 00:01:34,609 mothership. And 39 00:01:34,989 --> 00:01:36,689 they offered up the opportunity 40 00:01:37,069 --> 00:01:37,969 for podcasters 41 00:01:38,349 --> 00:01:41,005 to, like, sit down Mhmm. And record podcasts 42 00:01:41,005 --> 00:01:43,165 in fancy studios. So this one's audio and 43 00:01:43,165 --> 00:01:45,405 video, and I know most people listen to 44 00:01:45,405 --> 00:01:46,704 the podcast on audio. 45 00:01:47,005 --> 00:01:48,944 We will put up the video probably 46 00:01:49,245 --> 00:01:49,745 on 47 00:01:50,125 --> 00:01:52,284 at least the podcast YouTube channel, and we'll 48 00:01:52,284 --> 00:01:53,725 put links in the show notes if people 49 00:01:53,725 --> 00:01:56,180 wanna actually go see Joy and I. And 50 00:01:56,420 --> 00:01:57,780 Who wouldn't wanna do that? You'll have the 51 00:01:57,780 --> 00:01:59,459 video. I don't know. You may put stuff 52 00:01:59,459 --> 00:02:01,620 up some places too. But I've been known 53 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:03,060 to do it. You have. I will let 54 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:04,980 you most people know me. I mean, you've 55 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:05,880 been on the podcast 56 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:08,020 once or twice? Is it just been once? 57 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:08,895 This is twice. 58 00:02:09,294 --> 00:02:10,655 So do you wanna tell us a little 59 00:02:10,655 --> 00:02:13,375 bit about Joy Apple? Who Joy Apple is? 60 00:02:13,375 --> 00:02:15,935 What Joy Apple does? Where Joy works? I 61 00:02:15,935 --> 00:02:17,615 can do that. All of that? All the 62 00:02:17,615 --> 00:02:19,375 things. But first, I have to be paranoid 63 00:02:19,375 --> 00:02:20,574 because we had to put a push a 64 00:02:20,574 --> 00:02:22,014 button to turn on the video, but the 65 00:02:22,014 --> 00:02:24,000 audio is just going. Right? The audio is 66 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,080 going. I can see we can see it 67 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,400 over here. See the little green lights? They're, 68 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,480 like, flickering on the bottom there. Okay. Do 69 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,319 you feel better? Perfect. I'm good. So hi. 70 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:33,699 I'm Joy Apple. I'm paranoid. 71 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,480 But let me see. Who am I? What 72 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,875 do I do? Where do I do it? 73 00:02:37,955 --> 00:02:40,055 So Joy Apple, I've been in the Microsoft 74 00:02:40,115 --> 00:02:42,995 space. This year turns over to twenty official 75 00:02:42,995 --> 00:02:44,914 years. Does it really? Where did you get 76 00:02:44,914 --> 00:02:47,074 your start? In a bank. In the Microsoft 77 00:02:47,074 --> 00:02:49,235 role in a bank? Nope. Oh. So I 78 00:02:49,235 --> 00:02:51,735 was in the financial industry. Did you know 79 00:02:51,955 --> 00:02:54,750 that human beings in general are really uptight 80 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:56,689 about their money in their houses? Yes. 81 00:02:57,789 --> 00:03:00,050 Imagine that. Imagine. Just those things. 82 00:03:00,430 --> 00:03:02,110 I didn't love it, but it was fine. 83 00:03:02,110 --> 00:03:04,784 Okay. When I was the self taught geek 84 00:03:05,105 --> 00:03:07,985 nerd, if something didn't work, I was not, 85 00:03:07,985 --> 00:03:10,465 but I was the on-site IT person because 86 00:03:10,465 --> 00:03:12,064 our IT was two hours away. And you 87 00:03:12,064 --> 00:03:13,905 weren't scared to push a button? I'm not 88 00:03:13,905 --> 00:03:15,504 scared to push a button. Even at a 89 00:03:15,504 --> 00:03:18,064 bank. There are destroyed household appliances from when 90 00:03:18,064 --> 00:03:18,965 I was a child. 91 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:21,979 Because before Joy could walk, she would crawl 92 00:03:21,979 --> 00:03:24,139 and push buttons. And a microwave with metal 93 00:03:24,139 --> 00:03:24,800 in it? 94 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:28,060 Yeah. So I had an opportunity. I was 95 00:03:28,060 --> 00:03:30,139 approached by someone who was helping to write 96 00:03:30,139 --> 00:03:32,685 a book with Microsoft Press, and they asked 97 00:03:32,685 --> 00:03:34,525 them to do some copy editing. It was 98 00:03:34,525 --> 00:03:37,324 for the Microsoft Office SharePoint Server Administrator's pocket 99 00:03:37,324 --> 00:03:37,824 consultant. 100 00:03:38,125 --> 00:03:40,444 That is a mouthful. I know. And if 101 00:03:40,444 --> 00:03:43,025 you had a pocket that was, like, 10 102 00:03:43,165 --> 00:03:47,085 by five by three, the pocket consultant would 103 00:03:47,085 --> 00:03:47,789 fit into that. 104 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:50,849 That's a really big pocket. Really big pocket. 105 00:03:50,909 --> 00:03:52,189 Was it because the title had to fit 106 00:03:52,189 --> 00:03:53,150 on the front of the book so that 107 00:03:53,150 --> 00:03:54,509 I had to make the book that big? 108 00:03:54,509 --> 00:03:55,789 And I think it was like a some 109 00:03:55,789 --> 00:03:56,909 kind of a that was when they would 110 00:03:56,909 --> 00:03:58,989 put, like, tool images on the front of 111 00:03:58,989 --> 00:04:00,635 the book. So it was like a pneumatic 112 00:04:00,855 --> 00:04:02,715 handle or I don't know. I don't know. 113 00:04:02,935 --> 00:04:05,094 But I was like, this is really cool 114 00:04:05,094 --> 00:04:07,194 because the bank at that time used Lotus 115 00:04:07,574 --> 00:04:09,094 and that which was like, that's some of 116 00:04:09,094 --> 00:04:12,055 the OG collaborate software. Right? And I was 117 00:04:12,055 --> 00:04:13,814 trying to convince them, like, we could see 118 00:04:13,814 --> 00:04:15,754 each other's calendars. We could manage 119 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:17,949 mortgage appointments and things like that. We could 120 00:04:17,949 --> 00:04:19,810 do that. And they're like, that's so complicated. 121 00:04:19,870 --> 00:04:22,189 Just print the calendar out. So all those 122 00:04:22,189 --> 00:04:24,350 kinds of things. But going through this book, 123 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:27,009 I was like, this is it's really interesting. 124 00:04:27,229 --> 00:04:29,185 I I wanna know more. Well, if you've 125 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:30,944 ever written a book, probably does it, like, 126 00:04:30,944 --> 00:04:33,024 make you rich instantly, if ever? You know 127 00:04:33,024 --> 00:04:34,625 what? I have heard this. I have never 128 00:04:34,625 --> 00:04:36,225 written a book, but I have talked to 129 00:04:36,225 --> 00:04:38,464 enough people writing books. It's always so it's 130 00:04:38,464 --> 00:04:39,985 always in my the back of my mind, 131 00:04:39,985 --> 00:04:41,345 it would be really cool to, like, have 132 00:04:41,345 --> 00:04:42,560 a book with my name on it. And 133 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,319 then I talk to anybody that's ever written 134 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:45,680 a book and they're like Don't do it. 135 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:48,180 Don't do it. Like, okay? Don't do it. 136 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:50,080 No. It was fun, but I wasn't paid 137 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,480 in money. I was paid in training. Oh, 138 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,319 interesting. Because I was like, this is and 139 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:56,365 I look. Because I wasn't a cover author. 140 00:04:56,365 --> 00:04:59,905 I wasn't contributing content. I was taking engineering 141 00:05:00,285 --> 00:05:03,405 words and putting them into sentences. Engineers don't 142 00:05:03,405 --> 00:05:06,045 talk Shocking. Sentences. We love you. You engineers. 143 00:05:06,045 --> 00:05:07,870 Understandable words. We love you. I was raised 144 00:05:07,870 --> 00:05:09,629 by an engineer. We love you. I'm an 145 00:05:09,629 --> 00:05:11,710 engineer. You can make fun of me. I 146 00:05:11,710 --> 00:05:13,650 would have to completely rewrite everything. 147 00:05:14,029 --> 00:05:17,330 So I learned SharePoint. I went to 148 00:05:17,710 --> 00:05:19,629 web content management training. I went to end 149 00:05:19,629 --> 00:05:21,490 user training. I went to admin training. 150 00:05:22,014 --> 00:05:24,014 And within two years of that, I moved 151 00:05:24,014 --> 00:05:24,514 to 152 00:05:24,814 --> 00:05:26,194 an official IT role 153 00:05:26,495 --> 00:05:26,995 at 154 00:05:27,694 --> 00:05:28,914 a government contracting 155 00:05:29,294 --> 00:05:31,854 facility in Huntsville, Alabama. Then I became a 156 00:05:31,854 --> 00:05:33,535 trainer. Does it have a name? We are 157 00:05:33,535 --> 00:05:34,754 just gonna leave that alone. 158 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,180 Then became a trainer and then a consultant. 159 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,180 So, like, literally, it was 160 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,639 right time, right place, grace of God, the 161 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:42,459 right opportunity, 162 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,279 because I don't think any of us grew 163 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,980 up wanting to be SharePoint professionals 164 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,004 when I did not. Well, SharePoint didn't exist 165 00:05:49,004 --> 00:05:50,525 when I was a kid. Fair. But I 166 00:05:50,525 --> 00:05:52,625 also did not grow up with these aspirations 167 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:55,504 of Oh, but it was as amazing 168 00:05:56,045 --> 00:05:59,665 journey. And thinking back, like, holy moly, twenty 169 00:05:59,805 --> 00:06:00,305 years. 170 00:06:00,810 --> 00:06:02,350 Like, we got to see some 171 00:06:02,730 --> 00:06:05,129 really cool stuff today Yes. That I couldn't 172 00:06:05,129 --> 00:06:08,089 have imagined twenty years ago. When you were 173 00:06:08,250 --> 00:06:10,730 right? When you were doing SharePoint 2007 because 174 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:13,770 yeah. Yeah. It's wild to think about all 175 00:06:13,770 --> 00:06:16,634 the changes in SharePoint It's amazing. Over the 176 00:06:16,634 --> 00:06:18,954 last twenty years. And it what, like, is 177 00:06:19,194 --> 00:06:21,514 it was this year earlier in March. Well, 178 00:06:21,514 --> 00:06:23,274 it's March now. A week or two ago 179 00:06:23,274 --> 00:06:25,194 was, like, SharePoint's 20 180 00:06:25,194 --> 00:06:25,694 birthday. 181 00:06:26,074 --> 00:06:28,154 Yep. Growing up. So we have almost been 182 00:06:28,154 --> 00:06:29,970 with it the entire time. I got my 183 00:06:29,970 --> 00:06:31,250 start about the same time you did. It 184 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:34,370 was, like, 02/1956. 185 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:36,209 It was sometime I did stuff with SharePoint 186 00:06:36,209 --> 00:06:37,189 2003. 187 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:38,930 Mhmm. Old. That'd be a success. But it 188 00:06:38,930 --> 00:06:40,689 was about the time 2,007 189 00:06:40,689 --> 00:06:42,370 was coming out. Yeah. Okay. So I think 190 00:06:42,370 --> 00:06:45,045 it was somewhere between it was, like, 02/1956 191 00:06:45,045 --> 00:06:46,884 time frame that I got my introduction to 192 00:06:46,884 --> 00:06:49,285 it. Yeah. It's an amazing journey. I mean, 193 00:06:49,285 --> 00:06:51,285 you always take turns as you're going down 194 00:06:51,285 --> 00:06:53,205 your career path and sometimes, like, why did 195 00:06:53,205 --> 00:06:54,404 I do that or I wish I'd done 196 00:06:54,404 --> 00:06:57,305 this different. But in like, for me personally, 197 00:06:58,110 --> 00:07:00,990 at my third or fourth in person MVP 198 00:07:00,990 --> 00:07:03,870 summit. Okay. So did you go to any 199 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:05,250 of the in person ones? 200 00:07:06,189 --> 00:07:08,189 Like, the what? The first one or two 201 00:07:08,189 --> 00:07:11,149 right after COVID Mhmm. People I I heard 202 00:07:11,149 --> 00:07:12,285 feedback that it wasn't 203 00:07:12,605 --> 00:07:14,444 great those first year. I didn't have anything 204 00:07:14,444 --> 00:07:15,564 to compare it to because I was a 205 00:07:15,564 --> 00:07:16,064 woman 206 00:07:16,605 --> 00:07:18,285 during COVID. Did you go then as soon 207 00:07:18,285 --> 00:07:20,685 as it was back in person after? Maybe 208 00:07:20,685 --> 00:07:21,964 I did you know what? Maybe it was 209 00:07:21,964 --> 00:07:23,725 Ignite that I didn't go to. I think 210 00:07:23,725 --> 00:07:25,165 I did go to the first person in 211 00:07:25,165 --> 00:07:27,084 Ignite. First in person in Ignite too. Also, 212 00:07:27,084 --> 00:07:28,779 I mean, we were figuring things out and 213 00:07:28,779 --> 00:07:30,860 doing the best we could. Yes. Very true. 214 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:33,500 Right. But no. It's been fantastic. Oh, so, 215 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:35,199 yeah, twenty years, Microsoft, 216 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:37,920 firmly on the collaboration side of the house. 217 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:39,839 Right now, I am with Orchestra 218 00:07:40,165 --> 00:07:41,764 Tree Software now. So that is where I 219 00:07:41,764 --> 00:07:43,285 have expanded, and I've been there for about 220 00:07:43,285 --> 00:07:44,805 three and a half years. It's been three 221 00:07:44,805 --> 00:07:47,205 and a half years already? It's man, the 222 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:50,964 stuff we're doing, also exciting and fabulous. So 223 00:07:50,964 --> 00:07:51,785 I love governance. 224 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:54,099 We can say that now with our head 225 00:07:54,099 --> 00:07:56,259 held high. We can say govern yes. We 226 00:07:56,259 --> 00:07:57,539 used to be like, okay. I wanna say 227 00:07:57,539 --> 00:07:59,860 this word. It's the g word. It don't 228 00:07:59,860 --> 00:08:01,459 hit me now. It's like, y'all gotta do 229 00:08:01,459 --> 00:08:03,779 your governance. You need to do governance. And 230 00:08:03,779 --> 00:08:05,399 I feel like you need to do governance. 231 00:08:05,779 --> 00:08:07,144 I mean, we both been in SharePoint line. 232 00:08:07,144 --> 00:08:09,224 If we've seen SharePoint site sprawl, I feel 233 00:08:09,224 --> 00:08:11,485 like governance is even more important now. People 234 00:08:11,704 --> 00:08:14,345 create it's kinda like AI. Right? AI helps 235 00:08:14,345 --> 00:08:15,724 you find things faster, 236 00:08:16,584 --> 00:08:18,185 easier, all of that, but I also feel 237 00:08:18,185 --> 00:08:20,490 like it helps you create things It does. 238 00:08:20,569 --> 00:08:21,949 Faster and it 239 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:24,349 expedites the ability to 240 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:26,810 have sprawl or for content to get where 241 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:28,250 it shouldn't be or all of that. So 242 00:08:28,490 --> 00:08:30,490 Yeah. Yeah, I feel like governance is way 243 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:32,570 more important now. It's very important. My colleague, 244 00:08:32,570 --> 00:08:33,470 Reyna O'Neil, 245 00:08:34,009 --> 00:08:36,475 wrote a little article on LinkedIn the other 246 00:08:36,475 --> 00:08:38,315 day. I've got my phone on airplane mode, 247 00:08:38,315 --> 00:08:39,434 so it doesn't make noise. So now I 248 00:08:39,434 --> 00:08:41,274 can't remember the type. Something like your AI 249 00:08:41,274 --> 00:08:43,514 isn't broken your processes or something like that. 250 00:08:43,514 --> 00:08:45,294 Right? And she saw about the fact that 251 00:08:45,355 --> 00:08:45,855 AI 252 00:08:46,394 --> 00:08:46,894 amplifies 253 00:08:47,434 --> 00:08:51,009 whatever practices you have in place. Oh, yeah. 254 00:08:51,009 --> 00:08:52,149 That's right. 255 00:08:52,450 --> 00:08:53,509 Yep. So 256 00:08:53,970 --> 00:08:55,889 if it's just the gates wide open, anyone 257 00:08:55,889 --> 00:08:58,070 could do anything, anytime, any place, anywhere, 258 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:00,289 just go nuts. Or we talked about a 259 00:09:00,289 --> 00:09:02,529 lot this week, YOLO mode. Right? If you're 260 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:04,549 if everything in your tenant is YOLO, 261 00:09:04,995 --> 00:09:07,495 AI is gonna it's gonna be so bad 262 00:09:07,794 --> 00:09:10,835 because, right, everything's there. Nothing gets cleaned up. 263 00:09:10,835 --> 00:09:12,674 You just put things wherever you want. You 264 00:09:12,674 --> 00:09:15,254 don't really approach things with a process. 265 00:09:16,115 --> 00:09:18,754 AI can't magically fix that for you because 266 00:09:18,754 --> 00:09:20,610 it's feeding off of what we give it. 267 00:09:20,610 --> 00:09:22,370 So if we're giving it chaos, it's gonna 268 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:24,230 amplify that chaos. Yeah. 269 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:29,090 You're out of time. Copilot needs to be 270 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:32,210 deployed ASAP, but is your tenant really ready 271 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:35,350 for it? Years of data, permissions, and users 272 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:38,105 lurk in its shadows, ready to be exposed 273 00:09:38,105 --> 00:09:38,924 by AI. 274 00:09:39,304 --> 00:09:42,105 Sharegate Protect sees it all, so you can 275 00:09:42,105 --> 00:09:45,065 find the exposure risks, fix them fast, and 276 00:09:45,065 --> 00:09:46,845 deploy AI with confidence. 277 00:09:47,225 --> 00:09:50,669 Microsoft three sixty five governance. We got this. 278 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:55,649 Learn more at sharegate.com/governance. 279 00:09:58,509 --> 00:10:01,409 It's similar. We talked about this a lot 280 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:03,309 even in the years with like, when Power 281 00:10:03,309 --> 00:10:05,709 BI and business intelligence and data warehouses and 282 00:10:05,709 --> 00:10:07,045 all those are coming out. Right. You give 283 00:10:07,045 --> 00:10:09,225 it bad data, you're gonna get bad reports. 284 00:10:09,285 --> 00:10:11,925 Input output. Yeah. You give Copilot bad data, 285 00:10:11,925 --> 00:10:16,085 incorrect data, old data, whatever data. It's yeah. 286 00:10:16,085 --> 00:10:18,585 It's just gonna amplify the bad the badness. 287 00:10:19,629 --> 00:10:21,309 So Buckley Christian Buckley and I were talking 288 00:10:21,309 --> 00:10:24,509 about this recently. So we're dusting off our 289 00:10:24,509 --> 00:10:25,330 old presentations 290 00:10:25,950 --> 00:10:28,190 because they're relevant again. Right? Because we're we 291 00:10:28,190 --> 00:10:29,889 have to talk the fundamentals 292 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:32,669 this is a bold statement. But it's like 293 00:10:32,669 --> 00:10:35,434 the fundamentals are so much more important now, 294 00:10:35,434 --> 00:10:37,375 it feels like, than they ever were. 295 00:10:37,754 --> 00:10:39,115 Now I've got a talking heads song in 296 00:10:39,115 --> 00:10:39,774 my head. 297 00:10:40,554 --> 00:10:42,714 Do you guys sing for us? Maybe not 298 00:10:42,714 --> 00:10:44,714 right now. This is only coffee. It's only 299 00:10:44,714 --> 00:10:45,214 coffee. 300 00:10:45,754 --> 00:10:47,440 They're not recording this late in the day 301 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,759 when their beverage requires a switch. Just the 302 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:51,839 ammo bets are off. But, yeah, it's like 303 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:53,839 information architecture. How many times have we said 304 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:56,159 that phrase this week going, hey, Microsofts, don't 305 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:59,120 forget about information architecture. Hey, folks using m 306 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,345 three six five, don't forget. And if you're 307 00:11:01,345 --> 00:11:03,504 not really familiar with that, we have so 308 00:11:03,504 --> 00:11:05,204 many good resources in the community. 309 00:11:05,504 --> 00:11:07,764 Information architecture is so important. 310 00:11:08,225 --> 00:11:11,184 Data hygiene is so important. The concept of 311 00:11:11,184 --> 00:11:15,320 archiving things, setting permissions right. Oh, so important. 312 00:11:15,379 --> 00:11:17,059 And this is a lot of stuff. I'll 313 00:11:17,059 --> 00:11:18,339 let you do a little bit of a 314 00:11:18,339 --> 00:11:20,899 orchestrate pitch here. Okay. Alright. Because a lot 315 00:11:20,899 --> 00:11:22,580 of this stuff is stuff you're building into 316 00:11:22,580 --> 00:11:24,659 orchestrate Yep. Now. Right? There's a lot of 317 00:11:24,659 --> 00:11:25,480 that governance 318 00:11:26,504 --> 00:11:28,285 Totally. Controls, reporting. 319 00:11:28,985 --> 00:11:32,445 My my little elevator pitch is that Orchestrein 320 00:11:32,665 --> 00:11:35,865 is a governance automation layer for Microsoft three 321 00:11:35,865 --> 00:11:39,245 sixty five. Okay. Right? Yeah. Load it in. 322 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,399 It's great from a user perspective because the 323 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:42,839 apps right there, pen it to the left 324 00:11:42,839 --> 00:11:44,600 rail in Teams because that's where we all 325 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,259 are all the time. So templated provisioning, 326 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:49,480 it it it's one of the one of 327 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,620 the things I never 328 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,419 appreciated when we switched to modern 329 00:11:54,075 --> 00:11:55,995 experience inside of SharePoint is it was so 330 00:11:55,995 --> 00:11:58,154 difficult, if not impossible, to have a cookie 331 00:11:58,154 --> 00:12:01,675 cutter homepage template. Right? It's very difficult. Yep. 332 00:12:01,675 --> 00:12:04,075 My favorite thing about orchestra, I think, still 333 00:12:04,075 --> 00:12:05,995 to this day is the fact that you 334 00:12:05,995 --> 00:12:07,675 can point orchestra at what we call a 335 00:12:07,675 --> 00:12:09,809 live template and say, I wanna use this 336 00:12:09,809 --> 00:12:12,789 every time something new is created. Mhmm. Pages, 337 00:12:12,929 --> 00:12:13,909 web part layouts, 338 00:12:14,289 --> 00:12:16,149 links, icons, images, 339 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:19,590 lists, libraries, columns, JSON formatting. 340 00:12:20,049 --> 00:12:22,605 Boom. Go. Yeah. And it's not even just 341 00:12:22,605 --> 00:12:25,004 SharePoint sites, but, like, teams. Because I Teams. 342 00:12:25,084 --> 00:12:27,404 I use orchestrate. Communication sites to even engage 343 00:12:27,404 --> 00:12:29,164 communities. Right. Like, I create a team for 344 00:12:29,164 --> 00:12:31,725 every client I have in consulting, and that's 345 00:12:31,725 --> 00:12:33,084 how I do it with orchestra. I'm like, 346 00:12:33,084 --> 00:12:36,220 I want this team, these channels. I want 347 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:38,320 it set up this way for every client 348 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:41,019 team and SharePoint site and structured this way 349 00:12:41,019 --> 00:12:44,240 and Yeah. Yeah. So that we've had archiving 350 00:12:44,379 --> 00:12:45,759 in the product for years. 351 00:12:46,139 --> 00:12:48,720 When Microsoft released m three six five archive, 352 00:12:48,894 --> 00:12:51,875 we have added that to our archive suite. 353 00:12:51,934 --> 00:12:54,014 So you can make that policy driven now. 354 00:12:54,014 --> 00:12:55,294 So you can go in and say every 355 00:12:55,294 --> 00:12:57,214 time this template is used, this is the 356 00:12:57,214 --> 00:12:58,815 archive policy. If it goes, let's make it 357 00:12:58,815 --> 00:13:00,914 up. If it goes inactive for ninety consecutive 358 00:13:00,975 --> 00:13:03,490 days, reach out to the owner. And maybe 359 00:13:03,490 --> 00:13:05,329 for some sites, we don't wanna delete anything 360 00:13:05,329 --> 00:13:07,329 yet, but let's keep it in place, make 361 00:13:07,329 --> 00:13:09,429 it read only, set the group to archive, 362 00:13:09,569 --> 00:13:12,529 prune the drafts, and reclaim some storage. Alright. 363 00:13:12,529 --> 00:13:14,769 There's things you can do. Yeah. There's a 364 00:13:14,769 --> 00:13:17,784 variety of options there to get that rot 365 00:13:17,784 --> 00:13:20,024 out of the way. A redundant outdated and 366 00:13:20,024 --> 00:13:22,345 trivial content, if that's a new acronym for 367 00:13:22,345 --> 00:13:24,745 you. Secure guest management. I don't know that 368 00:13:24,745 --> 00:13:26,584 I've heard that acronym before. ROT yesterday. I 369 00:13:26,584 --> 00:13:28,024 had to do it. I don't know that 370 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:29,704 I don't know that I have. Vlad said 371 00:13:29,704 --> 00:13:31,529 it today. Did he? Yeah. You don't listen 372 00:13:31,529 --> 00:13:32,809 to Vlad though. No. I think he just 373 00:13:32,809 --> 00:13:34,730 let it just wash our feet up. Because 374 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:36,250 Vlad did not come say hi to me 375 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:38,750 the other night. You did. You came down 376 00:13:38,889 --> 00:13:41,230 when you got back and said hi. Vlad 377 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:43,050 blew me a kiss and got on the 378 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:45,434 elevator. I don't That was a brush off 379 00:13:45,434 --> 00:13:48,394 of it. It was. I don't yeah. Anyways 380 00:13:49,195 --> 00:13:51,115 So much love in this community. Yes. This 381 00:13:51,115 --> 00:13:52,475 is the best. This is Which we'll have 382 00:13:52,475 --> 00:13:53,674 to come back to that here in a 383 00:13:53,674 --> 00:13:56,154 minute. Well, yes. It will. But no. Not 384 00:13:56,154 --> 00:13:57,914 to get salesy or pushy or anything about 385 00:13:57,914 --> 00:13:59,759 that, but this is a topic and a 386 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:02,500 passion that I've always had around the technology 387 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:04,080 stack. So I get to work at a 388 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,320 company where that's what we do. And I 389 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,720 think my favorite thing about Orchestra is the 390 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,225 creators of the product are founders, our director 391 00:14:11,225 --> 00:14:13,384 of product, David Ferencore. Shout out David. You 392 00:14:13,384 --> 00:14:16,184 do amazing work. They've lived it since the 393 00:14:16,184 --> 00:14:17,964 early days. They've been the developers. 394 00:14:18,345 --> 00:14:20,125 They've been the consultants. 395 00:14:20,584 --> 00:14:22,264 So it's not just making a product to 396 00:14:22,264 --> 00:14:24,024 do a thing. It's like, this is the 397 00:14:24,024 --> 00:14:26,220 pain. Let's go fix it. Right. I've lived 398 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,299 this pain. I've been in this world long 399 00:14:28,299 --> 00:14:29,759 enough. I know what 400 00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:30,720 hurts. 401 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:32,939 Let's make it. Like, we just really solution. 402 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:35,279 We just released our phase one of OneDrive 403 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:37,980 governance. Because if you have your point's bad, 404 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:39,279 OneDrive is horrible. 405 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:41,440 Have I told you the story about 406 00:14:42,274 --> 00:14:44,774 my OneDrive? Well, this was OneDrive and SharePoint. 407 00:14:45,315 --> 00:14:46,995 I think I've I think I've told it 408 00:14:46,995 --> 00:14:49,555 on the podcast before. But I'm I'll tell 409 00:14:49,555 --> 00:14:51,495 it to you just, again, from your perspective. 410 00:14:52,035 --> 00:14:55,075 I have some client I've had a lot 411 00:14:55,075 --> 00:14:57,000 of work lately around people running to roll 412 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,559 out Copilot and do governance. Mhmm. On their 413 00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:01,000 data, they're like, what do I need to 414 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,700 do to roll out Copilot? I'm like, 415 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,559 you should really make sure how your stuff 416 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:07,799 is in SharePoint. Put your bare fist on 417 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:10,279 speed dial. Yes. And then And I did 418 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:11,714 it. Like, I'm sure I could do this 419 00:15:11,714 --> 00:15:13,315 with our history. I have my own PowerShell 420 00:15:13,315 --> 00:15:14,455 script that 421 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,595 I point at SharePoint and just say, go 422 00:15:16,595 --> 00:15:18,514 find me all the sharing links and how 423 00:15:18,514 --> 00:15:19,794 they're shared and who they're shared with and 424 00:15:19,794 --> 00:15:21,475 all of that. Yeah. It's already built in. 425 00:15:21,475 --> 00:15:23,075 I built a PowerShell script. You don't need 426 00:15:23,075 --> 00:15:24,330 it? We can do it for you. Well, 427 00:15:24,330 --> 00:15:26,170 I did not build a PowerShell script. Claude 428 00:15:26,170 --> 00:15:27,309 built a PowerShell script. 429 00:15:27,769 --> 00:15:29,370 Thank you, Claude. But, anyways, I ran it 430 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:31,950 against one client. They had 25,000 431 00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:34,490 links in their SharePoint environment that were shared 432 00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:37,345 with the entire organization. I believe it. That's 433 00:15:37,345 --> 00:15:39,345 probably their default. Yeah. It was their default, 434 00:15:39,345 --> 00:15:40,465 and then we went in and switched their 435 00:15:40,465 --> 00:15:41,985 default and all of that. This was a 436 00:15:41,985 --> 00:15:43,585 new one for me. One of their users, 437 00:15:43,585 --> 00:15:44,085 OneDrives, 438 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:45,904 it gave you this was one of the 439 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:49,285 built in SharePoint reports in SharePoint advanced management, 440 00:15:49,424 --> 00:15:51,740 the same reports For data access governance, do 441 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:53,179 you need to tighten your Yeah. I feel 442 00:15:53,179 --> 00:15:55,100 like it's you know, we're having to Go 443 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:58,059 higher. Technical difficulties will drive. Okay. I'll keep 444 00:15:58,059 --> 00:15:59,899 going, though. Yes, sir. But I looked at 445 00:15:59,899 --> 00:16:02,379 this report, and one of the items in 446 00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:03,679 there is how many users 447 00:16:04,194 --> 00:16:06,694 is your content shared with. This one user, 448 00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:09,574 one user's OneDrive, 2,500 449 00:16:09,794 --> 00:16:13,794 different people had content to or access to 450 00:16:13,794 --> 00:16:15,014 some content 451 00:16:15,315 --> 00:16:17,634 in his OneDrive. That's cool. Going back right? 452 00:16:17,634 --> 00:16:19,894 Going back to your OneDrive governance, it's like, 453 00:16:20,009 --> 00:16:23,049 how because of sharing is great. I love 454 00:16:23,049 --> 00:16:25,790 the ability to share, but there is absolutely 455 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:29,610 that governance need. Like, you cannot have that 456 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:32,429 many people having access to somebody's OneDrive without 457 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:32,990 realizing 458 00:16:33,529 --> 00:16:36,664 what and how, especially folders. That's the other 459 00:16:36,664 --> 00:16:38,304 aspect. Someone shares a folder and all of 460 00:16:38,304 --> 00:16:39,904 a sudden they, like, start dropping content in 461 00:16:39,904 --> 00:16:42,384 it without realizing that the folder is shared. 462 00:16:42,464 --> 00:16:45,445 For long. Yeah. Yep. Because that content grows 463 00:16:45,584 --> 00:16:47,924 because it's what we do. We create content. 464 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:50,129 And, yeah, it part of that comes back 465 00:16:50,129 --> 00:16:52,050 to us. And I'm saying us as, like, 466 00:16:52,050 --> 00:16:52,790 the broader 467 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:56,690 admins, subject matter experts, whatever your role may 468 00:16:56,690 --> 00:16:59,410 be. We've got to convince our organizations to 469 00:16:59,410 --> 00:17:02,264 do proper training. Yes. Got to. Because just 470 00:17:02,264 --> 00:17:04,585 because you can share everything out of your 471 00:17:04,585 --> 00:17:05,085 OneDrive, 472 00:17:05,384 --> 00:17:07,404 it does not mean you should 473 00:17:08,424 --> 00:17:10,265 Right. That should be in a team with 474 00:17:10,265 --> 00:17:11,964 the proper audience, guardrails, 475 00:17:12,424 --> 00:17:14,424 what have you. I can let anybody into 476 00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:16,345 my house, but should I let anybody into 477 00:17:16,345 --> 00:17:18,880 my house? I don't know. Sharing is caring. 478 00:17:19,099 --> 00:17:20,859 I'm not that sharing with my house. No. 479 00:17:20,859 --> 00:17:22,299 Going back to your early statement about the 480 00:17:22,299 --> 00:17:24,700 bank. I care about my house. Right. We 481 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:26,220 can't tie it about the house. I am 482 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:28,640 not sharing my house with everybody and anybody. 483 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:30,779 I have proper governance around who's allowed in 484 00:17:30,779 --> 00:17:32,079 my house. External users. 485 00:17:32,455 --> 00:17:32,955 Yeah. 486 00:17:33,575 --> 00:17:35,975 What's an internal my family is are those 487 00:17:35,975 --> 00:17:38,134 my internal users in my house? We. My 488 00:17:38,134 --> 00:17:39,654 coffee cup is a leak. This is a 489 00:17:39,654 --> 00:17:41,815 problem. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't have I'm 490 00:17:41,815 --> 00:17:43,734 gonna look like the messiest guest ever by 491 00:17:43,734 --> 00:17:45,880 the time. It's fine. Okay. Anyway, so yeah. 492 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,960 It's proper go over there. Stuff. Yeah. I 493 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,359 get to have great conversations. And part of 494 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,039 my role, it's like one of those other 495 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:53,960 duties is assigned just because I decided I 496 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,720 wanted it to be. I get to be 497 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,880 that kind of strategist for a lot of 498 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,400 our customers too. It's like, look, I know 499 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,234 you know what you're doing, but if you 500 00:18:01,234 --> 00:18:03,055 need to brainstorm, if you need I call 501 00:18:03,055 --> 00:18:04,654 it corporate therapy. If you just need someone 502 00:18:04,654 --> 00:18:06,894 that's been there, done that, has the shared 503 00:18:06,894 --> 00:18:08,894 trauma, set up a call. Let's hop on 504 00:18:08,894 --> 00:18:10,515 Teams. Talk it through. 505 00:18:10,894 --> 00:18:12,575 So again, I get to help be an 506 00:18:12,575 --> 00:18:13,634 unofficial adviser 507 00:18:14,335 --> 00:18:15,474 in some ways. Therapy. 508 00:18:16,509 --> 00:18:18,269 I think there is someone out there on 509 00:18:18,269 --> 00:18:20,750 the socials that is a SharePoint therapist. I 510 00:18:20,750 --> 00:18:22,190 should know who that is. I can't think 511 00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:23,470 of it right now. I don't know who 512 00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:25,470 that is. Yeah. I'm no. I'm not gonna 513 00:18:25,470 --> 00:18:27,869 look. I'm gonna stay focused. Resist resist the 514 00:18:27,869 --> 00:18:28,849 ADD. Yes. 515 00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:30,849 I will do it. Squirrel. 516 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:34,565 Yeah. So, anyways Tell me. This week, tell 517 00:18:34,565 --> 00:18:36,804 you, we're at the MVP summit. Yeah. We 518 00:18:36,804 --> 00:18:39,304 mentioned that earlier. We did. And this is 519 00:18:39,525 --> 00:18:41,164 we've both been have you been an MVP 520 00:18:41,285 --> 00:18:42,804 have we been MVPs for about the same 521 00:18:42,804 --> 00:18:44,244 amount of time? I think I'm on year 522 00:18:44,244 --> 00:18:46,589 three or four. Four? I am on year 523 00:18:46,589 --> 00:18:48,589 five. I just got a five puck. Oh, 524 00:18:48,589 --> 00:18:50,349 yeah. Last week. So you're ahead of me. 525 00:18:50,349 --> 00:18:52,430 I think I can't remember how many clicks 526 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:53,089 I have. 527 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:54,990 That is cool. That was very exciting. But 528 00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:57,009 this is one of you said it earlier, 529 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:58,750 your favorite week. This is a lot of 530 00:18:58,750 --> 00:18:59,250 people's 531 00:18:59,755 --> 00:19:02,394 favorite weeks. It is. And it's not we 532 00:19:02,394 --> 00:19:05,214 can't really talk about The details. The details. 533 00:19:05,355 --> 00:19:06,875 There are a lot of details. We wouldn't 534 00:19:06,875 --> 00:19:08,954 get to be invited back. Yeah. We would 535 00:19:08,954 --> 00:19:09,934 lose that MVP. 536 00:19:10,234 --> 00:19:12,414 But I think we can talk about just 537 00:19:12,554 --> 00:19:13,054 the 538 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:15,779 experiences and even why 539 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:17,779 it's our favorite week. Mhmm. 540 00:19:18,399 --> 00:19:20,000 And a lot of it has to do 541 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,559 with, like, what I for me, it's like 542 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,200 what I said about Vlad. Just Yes. The 543 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,759 feel of it almost being like a family 544 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:29,984 out here. It's, yeah, it's like a family 545 00:19:29,984 --> 00:19:32,384 reunion every year. It really is. And people 546 00:19:32,384 --> 00:19:33,984 are like, oh, it's lame or roll their 547 00:19:33,984 --> 00:19:35,125 eyes, but no, really. 548 00:19:35,585 --> 00:19:38,305 When I was in my Uber pulling up 549 00:19:38,305 --> 00:19:41,039 to Building 30 3 on Tuesday, my driver 550 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,039 saw the lines because it was before the 551 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,119 keynote, right? That was the official day, right? 552 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,559 Yeah. So people everywhere, shuttles were dropping, all 553 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,480 this stuff. And he was like, oh my 554 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,640 gosh, what is happening? I was like, today 555 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,565 is the first day of MVP summit. I 556 00:19:54,565 --> 00:19:56,325 said there are people we're here coming in 557 00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:58,325 from all over the world, and I said 558 00:19:58,325 --> 00:19:59,765 this is the one time of year if 559 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:01,765 you get to come, you might only see 560 00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:04,005 your friends this one time a year. Yeah. 561 00:20:04,005 --> 00:20:05,445 And I think that's the first bit of 562 00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:08,769 excitement is that. But then, I mean, we're 563 00:20:08,769 --> 00:20:09,990 MVPs because 564 00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:13,170 somehow, someway, we got on the right radar 565 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,090 or whatever, but it's because we love to 566 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:17,170 share and to talk and to explore and 567 00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:19,570 to experiment with this technology. So now we 568 00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:21,170 get to come to the mothership once a 569 00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:24,365 year. Yeah. Talk to the builders, talk to 570 00:20:24,365 --> 00:20:25,664 the program managers. 571 00:20:26,045 --> 00:20:27,325 They do a little bit of show and 572 00:20:27,325 --> 00:20:29,345 tell. We get to give them feedback. 573 00:20:30,365 --> 00:20:32,705 We may or may not have bingo cards 574 00:20:33,244 --> 00:20:34,224 for those conversations 575 00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:35,184 about 576 00:20:35,644 --> 00:20:36,144 things. 577 00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:37,289 Fuzzwords. 578 00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:41,349 Yeah. No. I think you're right as you 579 00:20:41,349 --> 00:20:44,230 were talking about it, it's we love to 580 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:46,410 share, go talk to people, go 581 00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:49,994 show people all the cool stuff. Yeah. But 582 00:20:49,994 --> 00:20:52,095 a lot of times, we go to 583 00:20:52,555 --> 00:20:55,195 conferences, different events, all of that. We see 584 00:20:55,195 --> 00:20:57,775 each other there, but we're also there 585 00:20:58,154 --> 00:20:58,654 presenting 586 00:20:59,115 --> 00:21:01,755 Yes. Talking to people, showing people how to 587 00:21:01,755 --> 00:21:04,769 do it. This week, it, like, it's a 588 00:21:04,769 --> 00:21:06,929 week where it gets to flip. We're the 589 00:21:06,929 --> 00:21:09,429 attendees. We're the attendees. We're just here 590 00:21:09,809 --> 00:21:11,569 seeing our friends that we only see. It's 591 00:21:11,569 --> 00:21:12,950 funny. There's someone 592 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,490 that lives in Jacksonville, same city as me. 593 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:17,990 Okay. He and I played ultimate Frisbee together 594 00:21:18,974 --> 00:21:20,575 for years and years. Like, five or six 595 00:21:20,575 --> 00:21:21,474 years in Jacksonville. 596 00:21:21,855 --> 00:21:23,454 I had not seen him in, like, five 597 00:21:23,454 --> 00:21:25,855 years. He became an MVP, and I saw 598 00:21:25,855 --> 00:21:27,695 him last year. Didn't see him for a 599 00:21:27,695 --> 00:21:29,535 whole year. Saw him again this year. It's 600 00:21:29,535 --> 00:21:31,075 like we live in the same city. 601 00:21:31,615 --> 00:21:34,599 We're different No. It's categories. Right. We're different 602 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:36,919 categories of MVPs. Like, he does a lot 603 00:21:36,919 --> 00:21:38,380 with he works at a company 604 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,319 doing path building a password manager. Okay. 605 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,319 You would think me being in security, we'd 606 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:44,759 see each other more, but he's a lot 607 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:46,519 more on, like, the development side of it, 608 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:48,460 the product side of it. I'm doing consulting. 609 00:21:48,865 --> 00:21:50,625 But we see each other, like, once a 610 00:21:50,625 --> 00:21:52,865 year at MVP Summit. But it is it's 611 00:21:52,865 --> 00:21:54,865 that it's flipped. We're the attendees. We just 612 00:21:54,865 --> 00:21:57,444 get to hang out, spend time with people, 613 00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,085 spend time be sassy. 614 00:22:00,384 --> 00:22:02,384 Spend time with other people we maybe see 615 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:05,839 at conferences. But at conferences, we are busy 616 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:07,599 writing our presentations that we have to give 617 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:10,480 the next day because we plan ahead. Yeah. 618 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,359 Like, conferences those conferences feel busier. They're very 619 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,519 busy. Is it's still busy, but it's different. 620 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,384 It's relaxed for the attendees. We get 621 00:22:17,945 --> 00:22:19,085 to be the people 622 00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:22,125 being talked to, shown Yep. The new buttons, 623 00:22:22,345 --> 00:22:23,005 the new 624 00:22:23,545 --> 00:22:24,025 things 625 00:22:24,424 --> 00:22:26,825 Yep. All of the stuff we have to 626 00:22:26,825 --> 00:22:29,305 talk about really vaguely like that. Yeah. And 627 00:22:29,305 --> 00:22:30,744 it's great. Though I was just thinking as 628 00:22:30,744 --> 00:22:31,950 we were talking through that, I was like, 629 00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:34,130 what would it be like to turn our 630 00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:37,309 conference presentations into feedback sessions? And now I 631 00:22:37,309 --> 00:22:39,250 would like to gather your feedback on that. 632 00:22:39,389 --> 00:22:41,549 Yeah. Because I would say this, if if 633 00:22:41,549 --> 00:22:43,549 anyone at Microsoft can hear me now, it's 634 00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:45,515 still dropping. It is still dropping. Crazy. 635 00:22:46,535 --> 00:22:48,394 When you stand up in front of us 636 00:22:48,615 --> 00:22:49,755 as engineers, 637 00:22:50,055 --> 00:22:52,555 as program managers, project managers, 638 00:22:52,855 --> 00:22:55,575 and you open yourself up to that feedback, 639 00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:57,515 thank you for doing that. Yes. 640 00:22:58,055 --> 00:23:00,630 We really appreciate it. And we apologize 641 00:23:01,569 --> 00:23:02,069 for 642 00:23:02,609 --> 00:23:05,829 the brutal honesty that we can give sometimes. 643 00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:09,009 Yeah. Like, this was funny. I will talk 644 00:23:09,009 --> 00:23:10,849 about this. This is one session. It is 645 00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,250 not crank that thing down, Joy. There you 646 00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:13,750 go. 647 00:23:14,065 --> 00:23:16,065 One of the sessions I was in, it 648 00:23:16,065 --> 00:23:16,565 was 649 00:23:17,025 --> 00:23:17,924 all the questions 650 00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:19,445 that you 651 00:23:19,904 --> 00:23:21,424 how did they phrase it? Now I'm gonna 652 00:23:21,424 --> 00:23:23,265 blank out. It was something about oh, it 653 00:23:23,265 --> 00:23:25,184 was all the questions about a certain product 654 00:23:25,184 --> 00:23:26,965 that you're afraid to ask. 655 00:23:27,369 --> 00:23:28,509 Oh, that's bold. 656 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:31,849 They crossed off the you're afraid to ask 657 00:23:31,849 --> 00:23:33,849 and just x it out and said, we 658 00:23:33,849 --> 00:23:35,929 have very quickly realized that MVPs are not 659 00:23:35,929 --> 00:23:37,230 afraid to ask anything. 660 00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:40,329 That's weird. But it is. To that point 661 00:23:40,329 --> 00:23:43,085 of we appreciate it is I appreciate those 662 00:23:43,085 --> 00:23:45,325 sessions when it really is. Like, just come 663 00:23:45,325 --> 00:23:47,164 in and ask us if you are from 664 00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:49,085 Microsoft and you're listening. Really, don't take it 665 00:23:49,085 --> 00:23:52,044 personally. We just No. We're very opinionated about 666 00:23:52,044 --> 00:23:54,700 the products we love. Well, I so few 667 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,019 years ago, there was a sneak peek of 668 00:23:57,019 --> 00:23:57,759 some things 669 00:23:58,139 --> 00:24:00,720 that they were working on, and 670 00:24:02,059 --> 00:24:03,259 99% 671 00:24:03,259 --> 00:24:04,539 of us in the room lost our minds 672 00:24:04,539 --> 00:24:05,200 over it. 673 00:24:05,899 --> 00:24:07,454 In fact, Jonathan Weaver said, I wish I 674 00:24:07,454 --> 00:24:08,654 had a video of how fast your hand 675 00:24:08,654 --> 00:24:10,654 went up. I'm like, oh. So we stayed 676 00:24:10,654 --> 00:24:12,015 after because you gotta get out of the 677 00:24:12,015 --> 00:24:13,375 room because other things are going on. People 678 00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:14,894 gotta get playing. Another session. Just like a 679 00:24:14,894 --> 00:24:17,214 typical conference, there's another session coming in. People 680 00:24:17,214 --> 00:24:18,779 are coming in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But But 681 00:24:18,779 --> 00:24:19,740 we kinda hung out in the room for 682 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:20,940 a few minutes. I was talking with a 683 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:24,000 gentleman who, again, he gave some great presentations 684 00:24:24,059 --> 00:24:25,980 and took some good feedback yesterday too. Very 685 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:27,580 much appreciated. I was like, well, I don't 686 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:29,340 understand why you would do it this way. 687 00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:30,779 He said, well, this is what our customers 688 00:24:30,779 --> 00:24:32,960 want. But I think from our perspective 689 00:24:33,525 --> 00:24:35,525 as consultant because we've been the consultants. Like, 690 00:24:35,525 --> 00:24:37,285 you don't have to have MVP after your 691 00:24:37,285 --> 00:24:40,805 name to live to be this valuable resource 692 00:24:40,805 --> 00:24:42,265 for your customers because 693 00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:45,125 sometimes our customers think they want something, so 694 00:24:45,125 --> 00:24:47,365 they go do it or they hire someone 695 00:24:47,365 --> 00:24:48,664 to do it for them. 696 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,259 And then as consultants, 697 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,559 we get brought in to fix it later 698 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,400 because they didn't really understand what they were 699 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,940 asking for or the ramifications 700 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,880 of going down a certain path. Yep. So 701 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,900 this is that chance to have that conversation 702 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,339 with the product makers. 703 00:25:02,755 --> 00:25:05,335 Yeah. And that is amazing. 704 00:25:05,875 --> 00:25:06,375 And 705 00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:08,835 it's so it's kind of fun too. It's 706 00:25:08,835 --> 00:25:10,034 like I was joking the other day. It's 707 00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:11,394 like, well, I asked a question, I couldn't 708 00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:13,554 really get them to answer it. But sometimes 709 00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:14,914 it's like, well, I wasn't asking it the 710 00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:17,960 right way. Yeah. Or the terminology is a 711 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,480 little different from one side of the table 712 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320 to the other. Or you ask a question, 713 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080 you see them go, oh, when you think 714 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080 about that. Yes. Right? Because they're not out 715 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,759 in the field working with the customers as 716 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:28,759 much as we are. So you just see 717 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,619 this massive collaboration 718 00:25:31,474 --> 00:25:32,134 happening real time. 719 00:25:33,154 --> 00:25:34,115 100%. 720 00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:36,115 So good. And then sometimes they truly just 721 00:25:36,115 --> 00:25:37,515 have no idea. I've been in a few 722 00:25:37,515 --> 00:25:39,315 of those where it's like, what about this 723 00:25:39,315 --> 00:25:39,974 or this? 724 00:25:40,355 --> 00:25:42,775 And I don't know. We don't know yet. 725 00:25:42,994 --> 00:25:45,130 And that's fair, especially as fast as things 726 00:25:45,130 --> 00:25:47,049 change now. It is. And I think from 727 00:25:47,049 --> 00:25:50,009 a consultant perspective, that honesty feels good because 728 00:25:50,009 --> 00:25:52,250 that's what I hope we bring to our 729 00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:53,869 clients too is 730 00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:56,170 I should not be making up answers to 731 00:25:56,170 --> 00:25:59,375 my clients, and I appreciate not having answers 732 00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:01,355 made up to me. Like, just I don't 733 00:26:01,355 --> 00:26:03,615 know is a perfectly valid answer. 734 00:26:04,154 --> 00:26:06,954 And it's the right answer because and this 735 00:26:06,954 --> 00:26:08,234 was a piece of advice given to me 736 00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:09,774 in my early consulting days. 737 00:26:10,234 --> 00:26:12,269 Some of us tend to have some overachieving 738 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:14,570 tendencies and we just feel like if we 739 00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:16,009 don't immediately know what to do, when to 740 00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:17,369 do it and do it right all the 741 00:26:17,369 --> 00:26:20,730 time, we're failing. Right? But my mentor pulled 742 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:22,730 me aside and said, your job is not 743 00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:23,630 to know everything. 744 00:26:24,009 --> 00:26:26,404 Your job is to figure it out. So 745 00:26:27,105 --> 00:26:28,625 or find someone who knows to help you 746 00:26:28,625 --> 00:26:30,384 figure it out. Yeah. He said, so stop 747 00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:32,144 putting so much pressure on yourself. If you 748 00:26:32,144 --> 00:26:34,144 don't know the answer, you are allowed to 749 00:26:34,144 --> 00:26:36,225 gracefully say, I don't know, but I will 750 00:26:36,225 --> 00:26:37,744 find out. He said, then go figure it 751 00:26:37,744 --> 00:26:40,000 out. Yeah. That's the job. Right. 752 00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:47,920 This episode is brought to you by Trusted 753 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:50,940 Tech. If you're managing Microsoft three sixty five, 754 00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:54,105 you already know licensing isn't simple. E three 755 00:26:54,105 --> 00:26:56,105 versus e five, the brand new e seven 756 00:26:56,105 --> 00:26:56,605 licenses, 757 00:26:56,984 --> 00:27:00,105 Copilot security bundles, and with price changes coming 758 00:27:00,105 --> 00:27:01,105 in July 759 00:27:01,105 --> 00:27:01,945 2026, 760 00:27:01,945 --> 00:27:04,744 the stakes are getting higher. 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Even if that's 780 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,799 exactly what you have to do is go 781 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,240 take a little time, figure it out for 782 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,279 them so you can get them the right 783 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,759 answer and Yeah. Go from there. So we 784 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,119 said this is fun. We get to see 785 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,960 all of our family. I've gone out for 786 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,005 dinner a couple nights. We come home. You 787 00:28:13,005 --> 00:28:14,845 said this to me the other day. I 788 00:28:14,845 --> 00:28:17,085 said it when I got home back from 789 00:28:17,085 --> 00:28:18,785 dinner last night is 790 00:28:19,164 --> 00:28:19,664 because 791 00:28:20,125 --> 00:28:21,884 we do really just feel like it's a 792 00:28:21,884 --> 00:28:23,884 big family. You get back from dinner, and 793 00:28:23,884 --> 00:28:25,484 you're like, I'm gonna walk into the hotel. 794 00:28:25,484 --> 00:28:27,500 There are a lot of us staying at 795 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:28,519 the same hotel. 796 00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:30,580 And last night, I walked in and I'm 797 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:32,420 like, I don't wanna really make eye contact 798 00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:34,900 with anybody because I'm tired and I wanna 799 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:36,420 go back to my room. But at the 800 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:37,940 same time, I'm like, I kinda wanna see 801 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:39,460 who's down there because it's the last night 802 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:41,035 to hang out. And you did it the 803 00:28:41,035 --> 00:28:43,035 other night. I had gone out to dinner. 804 00:28:43,035 --> 00:28:44,955 I came back. You were out at another 805 00:28:44,955 --> 00:28:47,835 event, and I was down at the bar 806 00:28:47,835 --> 00:28:50,474 there. And Uh-huh. You looked over and you're 807 00:28:50,474 --> 00:28:51,994 like That was what you did. Because if 808 00:28:51,994 --> 00:28:53,700 you've never seen him stand up, he's 809 00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:56,740 tall. He's so tall. Yes. I was standing 810 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,500 up and you saw me, and I was 811 00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:59,779 about to go back to my it was 812 00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:01,700 11:30 at night. I was about to go 813 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,619 back to my room. I had literally just 814 00:29:03,619 --> 00:29:05,220 said, okay. I'm going back to the room. 815 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,299 I'm going to sleep. I turned around to 816 00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:08,980 walk out, and you walked down the steps, 817 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:10,845 and I'm like, I'm not going back to 818 00:29:10,845 --> 00:29:11,424 my room. 819 00:29:11,805 --> 00:29:14,285 Well, yeah. Because it yeah. I'd left one 820 00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:16,045 of the one of the various kind of 821 00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:17,345 party meetup things. 822 00:29:17,644 --> 00:29:18,845 And I thought, well, I'll just at least 823 00:29:18,845 --> 00:29:20,445 see who's here. I don't really wanna hang 824 00:29:20,445 --> 00:29:22,340 out because it was late. I'm gonna be 825 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:24,099 good. I'm gonna be disciplined, and I'm not 826 00:29:24,099 --> 00:29:25,619 gonna be so it's like, well, I see. 827 00:29:25,619 --> 00:29:26,759 But there was Ben 828 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,779 standing up in a very bright blue hoodie, 829 00:29:29,779 --> 00:29:30,900 so it was hard to mix. I was 830 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,420 like, well, crap. I guess I have to 831 00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:34,259 go talk to Ben. So I go down 832 00:29:34,259 --> 00:29:36,019 the stairs and then, like, it was probably 833 00:29:36,019 --> 00:29:37,694 an hour. Yeah. I think it was, like, 834 00:29:37,694 --> 00:29:40,494 12:30 or something. Talking and you're like, I 835 00:29:40,494 --> 00:29:41,795 was gonna go. 836 00:29:42,255 --> 00:29:43,375 You walk down the stairs. I was like, 837 00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:44,654 well, I was gonna go, but you were 838 00:29:44,654 --> 00:29:46,974 standing here. But at the same time, I 839 00:29:46,974 --> 00:29:48,894 don't know that either of us we say 840 00:29:48,894 --> 00:29:50,859 we were gonna go to bed, but it's 841 00:29:50,859 --> 00:29:53,019 so much fun. It's so much fun. And 842 00:29:53,019 --> 00:29:54,619 I was thinking that, like, the other night 843 00:29:54,619 --> 00:29:55,820 when I was getting ready for bed and 844 00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:58,640 everything, I was like, it's it's a interesting 845 00:29:58,779 --> 00:30:00,320 combination of exhausted, 846 00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:03,924 depleted, but so full. Yes. It's like your 847 00:30:03,924 --> 00:30:04,744 your social, 848 00:30:05,365 --> 00:30:08,005 your community, your family cup, oops, gets filled 849 00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:10,325 up, but you're so tired. Like, my husband, 850 00:30:10,325 --> 00:30:11,525 he's like, I'm gonna pick you up at 851 00:30:11,525 --> 00:30:13,765 what time? I was like, 04:30, five. He 852 00:30:13,765 --> 00:30:15,205 said, maybe you wanna go to dinner? I 853 00:30:15,205 --> 00:30:16,859 said, yes. And then I'm gonna go to 854 00:30:16,859 --> 00:30:18,240 bed. And then to bed. 855 00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:20,700 Yeah. And then Vlad I mean, Vlad did 856 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:21,980 a good job the other night. Like I 857 00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:23,500 said, he came in and he made eye 858 00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,660 contact with me, and I yelled something to 859 00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:27,820 him across the hotel lobby. And he blew 860 00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:29,805 me a kiss and turned around and Yeah. 861 00:30:29,965 --> 00:30:31,505 Because it was Vlad. Yes. 862 00:30:31,805 --> 00:30:33,725 Vlad, I have That's disappointing. Things I can 863 00:30:33,725 --> 00:30:35,505 learn from you beyond just SharePoint 864 00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:37,965 is how to get to my room on 865 00:30:37,965 --> 00:30:40,144 time. How does this go? Nope. Yes. 866 00:30:40,684 --> 00:30:42,869 But it is fun. So other people, like, 867 00:30:42,869 --> 00:30:45,509 this is always an interesting conversations. I've done 868 00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:48,329 other interviews at MVP Summit as well is, 869 00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:50,869 like, if people are listening, they're like, oh, 870 00:30:50,869 --> 00:30:52,650 this really sounds like fun. 871 00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:55,849 I wanna be there. Obviously, the first requirement 872 00:30:55,910 --> 00:30:57,670 to doing this is being an MVP, but 873 00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:58,275 what was 874 00:30:58,674 --> 00:31:01,795 your journey to being an MVP? Like, how 875 00:31:01,795 --> 00:31:03,095 did you go from 876 00:31:03,555 --> 00:31:06,835 I'm doing consulting, I'm Mhmm. Helping out at 877 00:31:06,835 --> 00:31:07,894 Bucks, now I'm 878 00:31:08,195 --> 00:31:10,295 doing SharePoint consulting to 879 00:31:10,809 --> 00:31:12,430 the MVP. Because I feel everybody's 880 00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:14,970 journey seems to be different. It's a little 881 00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:16,970 different. It it's interesting. Because so that's one 882 00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:18,330 thing to call out. It is different for 883 00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:20,809 everybody because there's no checklist that says do 884 00:31:20,809 --> 00:31:22,650 these 10 things, and you two will be 885 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:25,529 an MVP. It's not a certification. It's an 886 00:31:25,529 --> 00:31:28,005 award. Yep. I am a communicator, 887 00:31:28,545 --> 00:31:31,904 trainer, teacher, sharer at heart. Right? Like, if 888 00:31:31,904 --> 00:31:33,744 I know something, I want everyone to know 889 00:31:33,744 --> 00:31:34,724 it because it's amazing. 890 00:31:35,505 --> 00:31:37,684 Consulting and I was really interested 891 00:31:38,065 --> 00:31:38,964 way earlier 892 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240 in trying to figure out what this MVP 893 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,240 thing was and what these what conferences and 894 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,440 speaking and all that is. I have a 895 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,759 drama and theater background. Obviously, I mean, you 896 00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:49,000 don't come into IT with anything normal. Right? 897 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,980 So I did. But, apparently, I'm abnormal. 898 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,285 I mean I've been told that multiple times. 899 00:31:54,525 --> 00:31:56,365 My family tells me I'm not normal. I'm 900 00:31:56,365 --> 00:31:58,045 the not normal one in my home, and 901 00:31:58,045 --> 00:32:00,045 I embrace it. But So was that your 902 00:32:00,045 --> 00:32:01,965 educate was you went to school for drama 903 00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:03,244 and theater? I went to school on a 904 00:32:03,244 --> 00:32:06,085 drama and theater scholarship. Okay. Yeah. But then 905 00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:08,029 I became a star for admin, and it 906 00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:10,210 was like Natural career progression. 907 00:32:10,509 --> 00:32:11,490 As one does. 908 00:32:12,349 --> 00:32:14,669 Because I got married very young the first 909 00:32:14,669 --> 00:32:17,149 time around. So that straight, I'm gonna go 910 00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:18,349 to college for four years, I wanna go 911 00:32:18,349 --> 00:32:20,109 get this degree, I knew that didn't happen. 912 00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:21,390 So there was a lot of, like, turn 913 00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:23,250 left, turn right, zigzag, zigzag. 914 00:32:23,765 --> 00:32:25,125 When it was my turn to go through 915 00:32:25,125 --> 00:32:27,045 school, right, because I had to go work 916 00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:27,945 jobs to live, 917 00:32:28,245 --> 00:32:30,164 landed the IT job, and I was like, 918 00:32:30,164 --> 00:32:32,325 do I wanna keep paying for my college 919 00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:34,245 a semester at a time now because I 920 00:32:34,245 --> 00:32:36,265 dropped out of college, did this thing, 921 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,240 or do I wanna invest in learning this 922 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,740 technology? 923 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,679 Okay. I chose the technology. I'm so glad 924 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:42,259 I did. 925 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,359 But the community stuff wasn't encouraged at that 926 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,599 point in my life. So I'm basically living 927 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,079 joy two point o. Okay. So I took 928 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,285 some pivots. Part of that included 929 00:32:52,664 --> 00:32:55,244 relocating from Alabama to Oklahoma. 930 00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:58,125 Okay. So various things happened. My first SharePoint 931 00:32:58,265 --> 00:33:00,105 Saturday was in 2010 932 00:33:00,265 --> 00:33:02,924 Alright. In Dallas at the Microsoft campus. 933 00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:05,019 And it was my first taste of it, 934 00:33:05,019 --> 00:33:06,700 but then I had to, like, reboot. So 935 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:09,660 things happen and then, oh gosh, eight years. 936 00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:11,259 I can't do math. We're just gonna say 937 00:33:11,259 --> 00:33:13,200 at some point later, years later, 938 00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:15,914 someone approached me and said, hey, there's a 939 00:33:15,914 --> 00:33:16,815 SharePoint Saturday 940 00:33:17,355 --> 00:33:19,275 happening in Atlanta. They need speakers. I think 941 00:33:19,275 --> 00:33:21,035 you should do this. And it had been 942 00:33:21,035 --> 00:33:22,715 a couple of years, a few years in 943 00:33:22,715 --> 00:33:24,875 between 2010 and that. It's like, okay. So 944 00:33:24,875 --> 00:33:26,955 I just started speaking because I I love 945 00:33:26,955 --> 00:33:28,235 to be on the stage. I love to 946 00:33:28,235 --> 00:33:30,549 share. I love to teach. Social media, 947 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,890 speaking, the occasional blogs here and there, writing 948 00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:36,289 articles if somebody asks, consulting and things like 949 00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:38,450 that. Okay. But then in 2019, there was 950 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,849 an MVP dinner, and Joel Olsen asked me 951 00:33:40,849 --> 00:33:43,075 where I was gonna go. Oh. Was like, 952 00:33:43,075 --> 00:33:45,315 no. Was this like after a conference where 953 00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:47,235 it was a bunch of MVPs going out 954 00:33:47,235 --> 00:33:48,775 for dinner? Or six five 955 00:33:49,634 --> 00:33:51,414 Friday or Saturday, San Diego. 956 00:33:51,715 --> 00:33:53,634 Okay. Right? Yep. Joel's like, are you gonna 957 00:33:53,634 --> 00:33:54,674 come to the dinner? I was like, no. 958 00:33:54,674 --> 00:33:55,634 He's like, why not? He's like, well, I'm 959 00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:57,589 not an MVP. He's like, you're not? I 960 00:33:57,589 --> 00:33:59,990 was like, no. He's like, you need to 961 00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:01,690 fix that. I'm like, okay. 962 00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:02,970 So 963 00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:06,089 I talked with him, Rob Windsor, wonderful, 964 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:08,389 good mentor. Thank you, Rob. I love Rob. 965 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:10,469 He's the best laugh in the industry too. 966 00:34:10,469 --> 00:34:12,644 Yes. Rob, we love you so much, man. 967 00:34:12,885 --> 00:34:14,344 But I had some mentorship. 968 00:34:14,644 --> 00:34:16,244 Time was right. I was told, yep, you're 969 00:34:16,244 --> 00:34:17,784 good to go. And 970 00:34:18,164 --> 00:34:20,485 my application was approved. Did you get it 971 00:34:20,485 --> 00:34:22,265 the first time? Yeah. Congratulations. 972 00:34:22,965 --> 00:34:23,784 Oh, thank you. 973 00:34:24,324 --> 00:34:26,585 But I I had some very wise counsel, 974 00:34:26,829 --> 00:34:28,190 right, of, like, wait. Because there was a 975 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:30,030 few moments, like, am I ready now? No. 976 00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:32,909 Wait. Yeah. Wait. But yeah. And it's been 977 00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:34,349 amazing. Some people are like, what did you 978 00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:35,549 do to get it? It's like, I talk 979 00:34:35,549 --> 00:34:36,210 too much. 980 00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:39,885 That's what I do. I don't. Well, it's 981 00:34:39,885 --> 00:34:40,385 interesting 982 00:34:41,164 --> 00:34:42,305 comparing your 983 00:34:42,684 --> 00:34:45,085 story how you got there to mine because 984 00:34:45,085 --> 00:34:47,585 I had several similar experiences 985 00:34:47,965 --> 00:34:49,105 where I would go 986 00:34:49,485 --> 00:34:51,744 speak at a conference or I'd go do 987 00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:52,589 something. 988 00:34:53,289 --> 00:34:55,309 And there was one in particular I remember. 989 00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:57,309 I think it was I was talking to 990 00:34:57,449 --> 00:34:58,349 Stephen Rose. 991 00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:01,130 Another guy, everyone. He's in? Stephen. Yeah. Again, 992 00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:03,690 we're all just one big happy, lovable family. 993 00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:05,295 The best. And it was at a conference, 994 00:35:05,295 --> 00:35:07,695 and he's like we were saying, bye. See 995 00:35:07,695 --> 00:35:08,894 you later. He's like, I'll see you in 996 00:35:08,894 --> 00:35:11,054 March. I'm like, what's in March? What's in 997 00:35:11,054 --> 00:35:13,474 March? In March? MVP Summit. And, like, 998 00:35:14,335 --> 00:35:15,635 I'm not an MVP. 999 00:35:16,014 --> 00:35:16,574 And he 1000 00:35:17,454 --> 00:35:19,315 same response. You're not an MVP? 1001 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,590 And I had that response from multiple people 1002 00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:25,250 at different events, but I think what that 1003 00:35:25,309 --> 00:35:28,849 illustrates is that it's not something you 1004 00:35:29,389 --> 00:35:32,050 get that checklist to. Most MVPs are MVPs 1005 00:35:32,109 --> 00:35:34,109 because we love what we're doing to the 1006 00:35:34,109 --> 00:35:34,994 point that 1007 00:35:35,315 --> 00:35:37,175 people are surprised we're not MVPs 1008 00:35:38,355 --> 00:35:41,474 because you're already doing the MVP stuff. You 1009 00:35:41,474 --> 00:35:43,954 love doing the MVP stuff. Yes. So you're 1010 00:35:43,954 --> 00:35:45,735 doing it to the extent 1011 00:35:46,115 --> 00:35:48,215 that people are surprised you're not MVPs. 1012 00:35:48,595 --> 00:35:51,179 Right. And then it just happens. 1013 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,239 I would say my number one thing about 1014 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,320 the whole program is if you approach it 1015 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,599 from what do I have to do to 1016 00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,079 be an MVP, don't proceed. If that's the 1017 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,559 mindset, don't proceed because it's not what you 1018 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,414 do for your job. It's not your nine 1019 00:36:03,414 --> 00:36:05,434 to five. In fact, it's your everything 1020 00:36:05,734 --> 00:36:07,815 that happens Outside of your nine to five. 1021 00:36:07,974 --> 00:36:08,875 Nine to five. 1022 00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:10,694 It's a lot of meetings, it's a lot 1023 00:36:10,694 --> 00:36:12,614 of calls, it's a lot of work, but 1024 00:36:12,614 --> 00:36:14,454 it's the kind of thing like if I 1025 00:36:14,454 --> 00:36:16,534 found out tomorrow we decided, Joy, you're not 1026 00:36:16,534 --> 00:36:18,690 part of the MVP program anymore, it would 1027 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:20,769 not change what I do. Right. Because I 1028 00:36:20,769 --> 00:36:23,250 didn't do these things to get it. I 1029 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,889 love the technology. I love the product. I 1030 00:36:25,889 --> 00:36:27,429 love helping people 1031 00:36:27,889 --> 00:36:30,764 have a better experience at work, and we're 1032 00:36:30,764 --> 00:36:32,924 at work so much. Right? The technology needs 1033 00:36:32,924 --> 00:36:34,525 to work. That's what we do. Right? We 1034 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:36,605 make it work. Right. And we love going 1035 00:36:36,605 --> 00:36:37,264 to conferences 1036 00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:40,065 and hanging out and With friends. 1037 00:36:40,605 --> 00:36:43,085 The podcast, doing this. Like, this was one 1038 00:36:43,085 --> 00:36:45,469 of the things that I think helped with 1039 00:36:45,469 --> 00:36:47,630 my MVP. Sure. But I had done the 1040 00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:50,289 podcast, what, I think I said four years. 1041 00:36:50,589 --> 00:36:51,489 This is year 1042 00:36:52,269 --> 00:36:53,969 nine of the podcast. 1043 00:36:54,269 --> 00:36:54,769 Congratulations. 1044 00:36:55,309 --> 00:36:57,869 Thanks. But it illustrates that point. I did 1045 00:36:57,869 --> 00:37:00,155 this for five years. Before there was an 1046 00:37:00,155 --> 00:37:02,875 acronym. Before there was an acronym Yeah. Yeah. 1047 00:37:03,034 --> 00:37:05,434 By my name for doing that, for speaking 1048 00:37:05,434 --> 00:37:07,614 at conferences. My first conference was 1049 00:37:08,074 --> 00:37:09,295 2009, 1050 00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:11,614 2010, 1051 00:37:11,994 --> 00:37:15,050 something like that. Yep. Yeah. So it is. 1052 00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:17,230 It's not something and there were times 1053 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:19,289 it was a mix for me. There were 1054 00:37:19,289 --> 00:37:21,710 times where I actually I legitimately got frustrated 1055 00:37:21,929 --> 00:37:23,610 because I've done all these conferences and everybody's 1056 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,849 like, you're not an MVP? I'm like, no. 1057 00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:26,954 What am I doing wrong? 1058 00:37:27,434 --> 00:37:29,434 Yeah. Yeah. And I did not have the 1059 00:37:29,434 --> 00:37:32,315 experience of my first nomination getting it. It 1060 00:37:32,315 --> 00:37:34,335 took me, like, two or 1061 00:37:34,715 --> 00:37:35,215 three. 1062 00:37:35,755 --> 00:37:36,735 Okay. Okay. 1063 00:37:37,914 --> 00:37:39,630 No. You haven't done enough. And I'm like, 1064 00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:41,710 I What more can I do? Right? Like, 1065 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:42,989 what more can I do? And it's not 1066 00:37:42,989 --> 00:37:44,509 that it was again, it wasn't like there 1067 00:37:44,509 --> 00:37:45,949 was a checklist, but it was like It's 1068 00:37:45,949 --> 00:37:47,569 not. I don't know. 1069 00:37:47,949 --> 00:37:49,949 I'm doing enough that everybody thinks I'm an 1070 00:37:49,949 --> 00:37:50,449 MVP 1071 00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:52,670 except for the people that are approving the 1072 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:54,769 MVP. I think that's where my 1073 00:37:55,574 --> 00:37:57,355 frustration was coming from was 1074 00:37:57,655 --> 00:37:59,974 all these people are like right. All these 1075 00:37:59,974 --> 00:38:01,414 people are like, why aren't you an MVP? 1076 00:38:01,414 --> 00:38:02,775 Why aren't you an MVP? I'm like I 1077 00:38:02,775 --> 00:38:05,494 don't. I don't really know because you all 1078 00:38:05,494 --> 00:38:07,655 think I should be. Apparently, there's somebody over 1079 00:38:07,655 --> 00:38:10,315 here that doesn't think I do enough, and 1080 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,800 it's I still kept doing it because I 1081 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,519 loved doing it, and eventually it happened. And 1082 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,199 that's the thing. We do what we do 1083 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,599 because we just love it. And I joke 1084 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,440 all the time. My husband thinks I'm the 1085 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,280 not normal one. I say all the time, 1086 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,664 I could win the lottery tomorrow, like, the 1087 00:38:25,664 --> 00:38:27,425 lottery, and I would buy a home in 1088 00:38:27,425 --> 00:38:27,925 Bora. 1089 00:38:29,184 --> 00:38:29,684 But 1090 00:38:30,065 --> 00:38:32,485 I would do the fun stuff for free. 1091 00:38:32,545 --> 00:38:35,045 A 100%. 100%. It would be John White. 1092 00:38:35,184 --> 00:38:36,945 Yeah. Right? I Are you saying John White 1093 00:38:36,945 --> 00:38:37,765 won the millionaire? 1094 00:38:38,144 --> 00:38:40,625 No. But I just He's another good guy. 1095 00:38:40,625 --> 00:38:43,239 Right? So he supposedly retired, I thought, but 1096 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,239 he says a free conference. Yeah. No. I 1097 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,480 don't know. No. He's not. I'm not even 1098 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:47,980 retiring. 1099 00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:50,059 No. You know what? 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I'm gonna get 1124 00:39:55,034 --> 00:39:56,574 old and I'm not gonna be remember 1125 00:39:57,114 --> 00:39:59,434 stuff, and already I'm like, I'm tired. I 1126 00:39:59,434 --> 00:40:01,675 can't keep up with all this change. Thanks. 1127 00:40:01,675 --> 00:40:02,734 Like yeah. 1128 00:40:03,994 --> 00:40:06,974 This gen whatever? It was there's an MVP. 1129 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,199 Another MVP story. I was at a conference 1130 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:10,699 recently, 1131 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,500 and we were all sitting down and chatting, 1132 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,539 and there was 1133 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,119 another m b a new MVP there. And 1134 00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:19,900 it came out that this individual 1135 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,019 was born in 2001. 1136 00:40:23,445 --> 00:40:24,704 Ouch. I 1137 00:40:25,045 --> 00:40:26,825 we yeah. Like, 1138 00:40:27,844 --> 00:40:30,485 now I don't feel like I'm so young 1139 00:40:30,485 --> 00:40:31,704 anymore because 1140 00:40:32,085 --> 00:40:33,684 Yes. That reminds me I need to go 1141 00:40:33,684 --> 00:40:35,610 get a bone density test soon, probably. 1142 00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:37,930 Oh. Because we're just so old now. These 1143 00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:40,510 young kids. These young whippersnappers. 1144 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:44,970 No. It was funny because earlier in that 1145 00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:47,630 week too, someone had made a reference to 1146 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:49,789 a movie, to The Matrix. 1147 00:40:50,375 --> 00:40:52,295 And in that session, it was like, if 1148 00:40:52,295 --> 00:40:54,135 you haven't seen The Matrix and you're in 1149 00:40:54,135 --> 00:40:55,734 IT, and I've looked, I'm like, wait. Where 1150 00:40:55,734 --> 00:40:57,255 did that come out? That came out two 1151 00:40:57,255 --> 00:40:59,655 years before this individual was born. It was 1152 00:40:59,655 --> 00:41:01,974 99. And I'm like, oh, now we're really 1153 00:41:01,974 --> 00:41:04,139 old. We're referencing movies and saying every IT 1154 00:41:04,139 --> 00:41:05,819 person should watch it, but there are IT 1155 00:41:05,819 --> 00:41:08,079 people that were born They were toddlers. 1156 00:41:08,539 --> 00:41:10,480 Years after this movie was released. 1157 00:41:11,099 --> 00:41:13,900 Well, I'll say this. Like, okay. Yes. The 1158 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,760 Matrix. I mean, it's so relevant, 1159 00:41:16,155 --> 00:41:18,894 especially now, right, with all with the AI. 1160 00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:21,675 Right? We were yeah. The Office Space. We 1161 00:41:21,675 --> 00:41:23,515 were talking we the other day, I was 1162 00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:25,275 talking to different TV shows and movies that 1163 00:41:25,275 --> 00:41:27,594 are really funny to go watch now that 1164 00:41:27,594 --> 00:41:29,319 came out years and years ago. But, yes, 1165 00:41:29,319 --> 00:41:31,400 you're matrixing the Office space is one, and 1166 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,519 I probably haven't seen it in three or 1167 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:33,799 four years now. I need to go with 1168 00:41:33,799 --> 00:41:35,079 your ride. Now we're gonna go watch it, 1169 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:36,519 like, on the plane. It's not on is 1170 00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,280 it on the plane? I don't know. I 1171 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,739 don't think my airline 1172 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:43,385 that flies direct to Tulsa and Seattle has 1173 00:41:43,385 --> 00:41:44,364 seatback entertainment, 1174 00:41:44,744 --> 00:41:46,664 but I maybe I should. I've got that 1175 00:41:46,664 --> 00:41:47,864 little thing where I can clip my phone 1176 00:41:47,864 --> 00:41:49,385 to the back of the seat. Okay. Right? 1177 00:41:49,385 --> 00:41:50,844 Thanks, Jay, for that recommendation. 1178 00:41:51,144 --> 00:41:52,985 Yep. So, yeah, I should download that, and 1179 00:41:52,985 --> 00:41:54,744 I'll watch it on my if I don't 1180 00:41:54,744 --> 00:41:56,210 just conk out. 1181 00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:59,389 I'm so tired. It has been so fun. 1182 00:41:59,389 --> 00:42:00,829 Yeah. I'm taking a red eye home. I 1183 00:42:00,829 --> 00:42:02,210 will absolutely conk out. 1184 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:04,369 I don't I try not to do those. 1185 00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:06,670 I going all the way to the East 1186 00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:09,864 Coast from Seattle, it's a five hour flight 1187 00:42:09,864 --> 00:42:12,364 to Atlanta Mhmm. An hour flight to Jacksonville, 1188 00:42:12,664 --> 00:42:14,744 a three hour time change. And then you 1189 00:42:14,744 --> 00:42:16,184 have to fit a layover in there too, 1190 00:42:16,184 --> 00:42:18,105 so it's like five, seven. It's like a 1191 00:42:18,105 --> 00:42:20,429 ten day. It's a difference of ten hours. 1192 00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:21,789 Yeah. If I don't take the red eye 1193 00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,650 on Fridays, I feel like I miss 1194 00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:25,630 the weekend with my family. Because I do 1195 00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:27,150 have the four kids. They, like, see me 1196 00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:29,309 on the weekend. Props for that. Like, okay. 1197 00:42:29,309 --> 00:42:30,510 I can take the red eye. Can you 1198 00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:32,849 sleep on a plane? An okay. So here's 1199 00:42:33,025 --> 00:42:34,864 the other aspect of it. I kinda like, 1200 00:42:34,864 --> 00:42:37,184 I can sleep. I don't sleep great. Yeah. 1201 00:42:37,184 --> 00:42:38,405 I sleep enough 1202 00:42:38,704 --> 00:42:40,945 that I can get through I'll get through 1203 00:42:40,945 --> 00:42:43,264 the day tomorrow without taking a nap. Yeah. 1204 00:42:43,264 --> 00:42:46,250 I'll be dead tired though by, like, 10PM. 1205 00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:48,589 So I can actually fall asleep 1206 00:42:48,969 --> 00:42:51,609 Okay. At a normal time for eastern time 1207 00:42:51,609 --> 00:42:53,449 zone. Force yourself to adjust. Right. And force 1208 00:42:53,449 --> 00:42:56,089 myself to adjust rather quickly instead of if 1209 00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:58,570 I left tomorrow morning after a full night's 1210 00:42:58,570 --> 00:43:00,489 sleep, I would not be tired tomorrow night 1211 00:43:00,489 --> 00:43:02,184 till, like, 3AM. 1212 00:43:02,184 --> 00:43:04,264 Got you. So I respect it. There are 1213 00:43:04,425 --> 00:43:05,164 it it's 1214 00:43:05,545 --> 00:43:07,724 rough, but it does help with that adjustment. 1215 00:43:07,944 --> 00:43:09,704 So Yeah. I used to have the deal 1216 00:43:09,704 --> 00:43:11,944 with going from Seattle to Atlanta then back 1217 00:43:11,944 --> 00:43:14,609 to Tulsa, but thank you for Alaska Air 1218 00:43:14,609 --> 00:43:16,929 for having direct now from Tulsa to Seattle 1219 00:43:16,929 --> 00:43:19,409 and back. That is a quality of life 1220 00:43:19,409 --> 00:43:20,789 improvement for me. Nice. 1221 00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:22,929 Yeah. Yeah. See if they wanna sponsor the 1222 00:43:22,929 --> 00:43:25,989 podcast. Alaska Airlines? Yes. We appreciate you, 1223 00:43:28,085 --> 00:43:30,484 That would be interesting. Swag. I'm shameless. You're 1224 00:43:30,484 --> 00:43:32,264 shameless in your promotion of everybody. 1225 00:43:32,644 --> 00:43:34,964 Alright. With that, we've been talking for, like, 1226 00:43:34,964 --> 00:43:37,045 forty five minutes. It's what we do. It 1227 00:43:37,045 --> 00:43:39,125 is what we do. The I think you 1228 00:43:39,125 --> 00:43:40,804 made this comment the other day. Somebody asked 1229 00:43:40,804 --> 00:43:42,244 if we could talk for twenty minutes. You're 1230 00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:44,760 like, we're consult. We can talk about absolutely 1231 00:43:44,819 --> 00:43:47,460 nothing for twenty minutes. Twenty minutes? Yeah. And 1232 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:48,519 make it seem like 1233 00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:51,460 Let me show you. But we have there 1234 00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:53,380 is a little bit more of a session 1235 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:55,380 we could go to, and our listeners might 1236 00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:57,114 want to yeah. Yeah. You might have other 1237 00:43:57,114 --> 00:43:58,635 things to do. They might have other things 1238 00:43:58,635 --> 00:44:00,394 to do. There was something else I was 1239 00:44:00,394 --> 00:44:02,235 gonna say, oh, we would get kicked out 1240 00:44:02,235 --> 00:44:03,515 of here if we keep talking too long 1241 00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:05,515 because there's someone else returning a podcast after 1242 00:44:05,515 --> 00:44:08,015 us. Unless that door locks. Does it? Yeah. 1243 00:44:08,355 --> 00:44:08,855 I 1244 00:44:09,195 --> 00:44:10,635 feel like that might be the end of 1245 00:44:10,635 --> 00:44:13,329 our MVP status when we lock ourselves in 1246 00:44:13,329 --> 00:44:15,170 the studio. Why did you lose your status? 1247 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:17,909 Well, we barricaded ourselves in the recording studio. 1248 00:44:18,449 --> 00:44:21,650 Yeah. Oh my. Alright. Awesome. Well, thank you. 1249 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:23,650 You're welcome. Thanks for coming on. It's been 1250 00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:26,755 fun. Scott, you missed out. Sorry. You triple 1251 00:44:26,755 --> 00:44:29,474 booked yourself today. Yeah. Maybe you should learn 1252 00:44:29,474 --> 00:44:31,014 how to use a calendar in Outlook. 1253 00:44:31,954 --> 00:44:33,014 Do we have the technology? 1254 00:44:33,315 --> 00:44:35,235 We do. Like, there are ways to make 1255 00:44:35,235 --> 00:44:37,655 sure you don't triple book yourself. Pretty soon, 1256 00:44:37,715 --> 00:44:39,030 AI will make sure we don't. 1257 00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:41,269 I don't know that I'm ready for that, 1258 00:44:41,269 --> 00:44:43,190 to be honest. Don't know. Because I don't 1259 00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:45,349 know that it'll depend on how smart AI 1260 00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:47,590 is because I very much will get triple 1261 00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:49,909 booked, and there is quite a process I 1262 00:44:49,909 --> 00:44:50,969 go through to decide 1263 00:44:51,394 --> 00:44:53,155 which the one. Of the one I'm gonna 1264 00:44:53,155 --> 00:44:55,394 keep because it is not always the first 1265 00:44:55,394 --> 00:44:57,875 one in. Agree. It could be how easy 1266 00:44:57,875 --> 00:44:59,894 one is to reschedule versus another, 1267 00:45:00,434 --> 00:45:02,855 deadlines that AI may not know anything about. 1268 00:45:03,074 --> 00:45:03,574 Yeah. 1269 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,519 Yeah. But it should because it's all on 1270 00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,920 the graph. Are my deadlines on the graph, 1271 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,920 or are they in my head? That's a 1272 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,340 you problem. That is a me problem. Thanks. 1273 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,039 I have lots of me problems. Y'all do. 1274 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,735 But Okay. Yes. With that, thank you again 1275 00:45:17,735 --> 00:45:20,775 for My pleasure. Joining me last minute due 1276 00:45:20,775 --> 00:45:21,515 to Scott's 1277 00:45:21,894 --> 00:45:22,635 faux pas. 1278 00:45:22,934 --> 00:45:25,574 Yeah. Thanks, Scott. It was fun. So good. 1279 00:45:25,574 --> 00:45:28,695 Yes. Enjoy. Safe flight home. Same to you. 1280 00:45:28,695 --> 00:45:31,559 We'll see you in April. Right? Orlando? Are 1281 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,575 you coming to Orlando? You be determined. TBD. 1282 00:45:33,575 --> 00:45:35,843 I found out yesterday there's a 20% chance 1283 00:45:35,843 --> 00:45:37,858 I might get drop shipped there. Okay. In 1284 00:45:37,858 --> 00:45:39,874 a cardboard box? Like, would you really get 1285 00:45:39,874 --> 00:45:41,889 shipped in a cardboard box with little air 1286 00:45:41,889 --> 00:45:44,157 holes in it? And If they put a 1287 00:45:44,157 --> 00:45:46,172 mattress and I could lay down and just, 1288 00:45:46,172 --> 00:45:47,945 like, conk out, yeah, I would be down 1289 00:45:47,945 --> 00:45:49,785 for that. That's probably better Right. So where 1290 00:45:49,785 --> 00:45:51,385 are you gonna be if people do want 1291 00:45:51,385 --> 00:45:51,625 to 1292 00:45:52,184 --> 00:45:54,505 yeah. If people wanna go find you or 1293 00:45:54,505 --> 00:45:56,585 see you in person or you're on so 1294 00:45:56,585 --> 00:45:58,425 where's your social media of choice? Is it 1295 00:45:58,425 --> 00:46:01,329 LinkedIn? It's pretty much LinkedIn these days. That 1296 00:46:01,329 --> 00:46:03,809 is Sure. That's where we've done. So, yes, 1297 00:46:03,809 --> 00:46:05,570 they can go find you on LinkedIn or 1298 00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:07,489 what conferences do you have coming up? I'm 1299 00:46:07,489 --> 00:46:09,329 gonna be at Comms v Next in Denver. 1300 00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:10,929 If you've never checked that out, do it. 1301 00:46:10,929 --> 00:46:11,969 Do it. Do it. If you have a 1302 00:46:11,969 --> 00:46:14,994 passion for unified communications and or collaboration, they 1303 00:46:14,994 --> 00:46:16,934 will have you covered. So that's 1304 00:46:17,315 --> 00:46:19,974 a May, 1305 00:46:20,355 --> 00:46:22,355 I think. That sounds right. I'm not gonna 1306 00:46:22,355 --> 00:46:23,875 be there, but those dates sound right. It 1307 00:46:23,875 --> 00:46:25,074 should be there. I have been told I 1308 00:46:25,074 --> 00:46:26,515 need to go there. Every year, I end 1309 00:46:26,515 --> 00:46:27,494 up with so much 1310 00:46:27,954 --> 00:46:29,849 that time of year, and it hasn't worked 1311 00:46:29,849 --> 00:46:31,369 out. But I don't have a worry. See, 1312 00:46:31,369 --> 00:46:32,969 I'll make you do it next year. I'm 1313 00:46:32,969 --> 00:46:34,429 also gonna be at TechCon 1314 00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:36,429 three six five in Chicago 1315 00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:39,529 in June. Okay. Tech mentor back here in 1316 00:46:39,529 --> 00:46:40,670 Seattle in August. 1317 00:46:40,969 --> 00:46:41,469 Alright. 1318 00:46:41,795 --> 00:46:44,994 Maybe Techcom three six five Seattle also in 1319 00:46:44,994 --> 00:46:47,075 August. I just can't remember if they've started 1320 00:46:47,075 --> 00:46:48,914 accepting or if I could have accepted. Not 1321 00:46:48,914 --> 00:46:50,755 started accepting. I do know that because I 1322 00:46:50,755 --> 00:46:52,515 submitted for that one, and I talked to 1323 00:46:52,515 --> 00:46:54,914 people that said Okay. They have not started 1324 00:46:55,235 --> 00:46:57,980 Okay. Accepting yet. Cool. So you have not 1325 00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,719 been rejected. 1326 00:46:59,019 --> 00:47:00,780 Yes. I hope it's still alive. Right? That's 1327 00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:03,739 always I wish yeah. Anyways, side topic. Yeah. 1328 00:47:03,739 --> 00:47:07,119 That one. Ignite, maybe. Two big meetings. Okay. 1329 00:47:07,179 --> 00:47:07,679 November. 1330 00:47:08,139 --> 00:47:09,599 And Sandy Branson. 1331 00:47:10,025 --> 00:47:11,545 I'm gonna be yep. I'm gonna be in 1332 00:47:11,545 --> 00:47:14,605 Branson. September. Yes. Yes. Early September. 1333 00:47:14,905 --> 00:47:17,305 Early September. So, yeah, we're gonna be everywhere. 1334 00:47:17,305 --> 00:47:18,605 I might even be at ESPC. 1335 00:47:19,144 --> 00:47:21,385 Oh, that one's coming up soon. Right? Since 1336 00:47:21,385 --> 00:47:23,144 it Or as soon as that one? You'll 1337 00:47:23,144 --> 00:47:24,684 leave the weekend of Thanksgiving. 1338 00:47:25,065 --> 00:47:26,539 Okay. That one's November. 1339 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,559 Mhmm. Late November. Alright. That's right. Because that 1340 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,480 one's right by night. Yeah. Like, there are 1341 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,400 people that, like, go from Which is why 1342 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,219 I did it last 1343 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,760 year, I think. I don't know. Okay. It 1344 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,440 would just, like if my calendar says to 1345 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,719 be there, I book a flight and I 1346 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,765 go. Got it. It's kinda how my world 1347 00:47:41,765 --> 00:47:44,244 works. Perfect. Alright. So, yes, if you wanna 1348 00:47:44,244 --> 00:47:45,845 go connect with Joy, find Joy. I would 1349 00:47:45,845 --> 00:47:47,605 say the other thing, some people say, I 1350 00:47:47,605 --> 00:47:49,364 felt this before I was an MVP. I 1351 00:47:49,364 --> 00:47:51,684 was I'm an introvert. I am not one 1352 00:47:51,684 --> 00:47:54,005 to, like, go up and talk to I 1353 00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:56,539 was always like, oh, they're speakers, they're MVPs. 1354 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,380 I was intimidated. 1355 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,579 Yeah. I get that. Don't be intimidated. No. 1356 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,119 Yes. Come, like this, I would say, is 1357 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,680 another good thing about if you think this 1358 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,280 is something you'd wanna do, one, let's do 1359 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,214 what you love, but come talk to us. 1360 00:48:10,214 --> 00:48:11,114 Like, MVPs, 1361 00:48:11,574 --> 00:48:14,375 introverts or not, we genuinely love talking to 1362 00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,014 other people, helping other people, giving other people 1363 00:48:17,014 --> 00:48:18,775 advice. I've had people reach out to me 1364 00:48:18,775 --> 00:48:20,934 at conferences and said, I'm not an MVP. 1365 00:48:20,934 --> 00:48:22,454 I would love to just talk to you 1366 00:48:22,454 --> 00:48:24,454 about being an MVP. Yeah. It's like not 1367 00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,440 we're not gonna give you a checklist of 1368 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,640 how to get there, but we'll talk to 1369 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,200 you about our experience about Right. We've had 1370 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,760 other MVPs tell us, to your point, you 1371 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,059 haven't done, go do this, go Yes. Here's 1372 00:48:36,855 --> 00:48:39,494 guidance that might help get you closer. We 1373 00:48:39,494 --> 00:48:41,414 just can't guarantee anything. Right. And we love 1374 00:48:41,414 --> 00:48:43,815 doing it. MvB stuff aside, if you wanna 1375 00:48:43,815 --> 00:48:45,815 be involved in the community, that does not 1376 00:48:45,815 --> 00:48:47,894 mean standing on stage as speaking. It could 1377 00:48:47,894 --> 00:48:50,130 be. It could also mean just help doing 1378 00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:52,130 behind the scenes organizing or if you want 1379 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:54,289 to write or if you wanna do something 1380 00:48:54,289 --> 00:48:56,530 like this. I mean Yep. We have thoughts, 1381 00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:58,369 we have ideas. It is not a cool 1382 00:48:58,369 --> 00:49:01,089 kids club. It's a nerd kids club, and 1383 00:49:01,089 --> 00:49:03,715 everyone is welcome. It's a cool kids club, 1384 00:49:03,715 --> 00:49:04,375 but, you know, 1385 00:49:04,914 --> 00:49:05,655 it's because 1386 00:49:06,034 --> 00:49:07,414 it's just a cool club. 1387 00:49:07,795 --> 00:49:09,234 It is cool. You don't have to be 1388 00:49:09,234 --> 00:49:10,994 cool to be in the cool kids club. 1389 00:49:10,994 --> 00:49:12,675 Like, I feel like that's it. Like, it 1390 00:49:12,675 --> 00:49:14,835 is absolutely a cool club. Yeah. Maybe that's 1391 00:49:14,835 --> 00:49:16,355 the better phrase. It's not a cool kids 1392 00:49:16,355 --> 00:49:17,489 club, club, but it's a cool club. It 1393 00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:19,809 is a cool club. And just And you 1394 00:49:19,809 --> 00:49:21,730 don't even have to be an MVP to 1395 00:49:21,730 --> 00:49:23,650 hang out with the speakers too. There's lots 1396 00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:25,670 of speakers that aren't MVPs. 1397 00:49:26,289 --> 00:49:28,449 Yes. Again, I hung out with speakers and 1398 00:49:28,449 --> 00:49:30,224 MVPs for, like, five or six years before 1399 00:49:30,224 --> 00:49:32,105 I was an MVP. Yep. Yep. And they 1400 00:49:32,105 --> 00:49:34,684 are they're all very friendly. It's just fun. 1401 00:49:34,744 --> 00:49:37,144 Yeah. We enjoy being Just fun. We like 1402 00:49:37,144 --> 00:49:38,664 to talk. We like to share. We like 1403 00:49:38,664 --> 00:49:40,184 to hang out. We like to hang out 1404 00:49:40,184 --> 00:49:41,833 at the bar till We like to stay 1405 00:49:41,833 --> 00:49:44,654 up past the time. Way later than we 1406 00:49:44,654 --> 00:49:47,789 should. Yeah. Alright. With that Yes. Squirrel. Jacqueline, 1407 00:49:47,789 --> 00:49:50,297 we're gonna wrap up, like, ten minutes ago. 1408 00:49:50,297 --> 00:49:52,804 Yes. Good. Alright. Until then, thanks again for 1409 00:49:52,804 --> 00:49:55,345 joining us. Always Join us, and we'll see 1410 00:49:55,345 --> 00:49:57,505 you again soon. See you soon. Bye. Bye 1411 00:49:57,505 --> 00:49:58,005 bye. 1412 00:49:59,985 --> 00:50:02,224 If you enjoyed the podcast, go leave us 1413 00:50:02,224 --> 00:50:04,385 a five star rating in iTunes. It helps 1414 00:50:04,385 --> 00:50:06,119 to get the word out so more IT 1415 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,279 pros can learn about Office three sixty five 1416 00:50:08,279 --> 00:50:08,940 and Azure. 1417 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,159 If you have any questions you want us 1418 00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,319 to address on the show, or feedback about 1419 00:50:13,319 --> 00:50:15,719 the show, feel free to reach out via 1420 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,819 our website, Twitter, or Facebook. 1421 00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,039 Thanks again for listening, and have a great 1422 00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:20,539 day.

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