Episode 426: Claude Cowork vs Microsoft 365 Copilot Cowork

April 23, 2026

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Welcome to Episode 426 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast.Ben and Scott are back together this week to talk through Microsoft 365 Copilot Cowork, including how it compares to Claude Cowork and where each one makes sense. The two products share a name but work pretty differently. Claude Cowork runs locally on your desktop and can access files on your machine, supports MCP server connections while M365 Copilot Cowork runs in the cloud, requires files to be in OneDrive, and does not support MCP connectors yet. On the flip side, the Microsoft version runs scheduled tasks without needing your machine to be on, has native access to all your M365 data through Graph, and fits inside your existing compliance and security controls through Purview, which matters a lot for regulated organizations.

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1 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome to episode 426 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,199 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast recorded 3 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:11,939 live on 04/17/2026. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,344 This is a show about Microsoft three sixty 5 00:00:14,344 --> 00:00:16,425 five and Azure from the perspective of IT 6 00:00:16,425 --> 00:00:18,585 pros and end users, where we discuss the 7 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:20,824 topic or recent news and how it relates 8 00:00:20,824 --> 00:00:22,524 to you. In this episode, 9 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:25,144 Ben and Scott dig into the world of 10 00:00:25,144 --> 00:00:26,445 co work, comparing 11 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:29,820 Anthropic's Claude co work and Microsoft three sixty 12 00:00:29,820 --> 00:00:33,520 five Copilot co work across desktop versus cloud, 13 00:00:33,740 --> 00:00:37,100 local file access versus native graph data, context 14 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:39,359 windows, models, and regional availability. 15 00:00:39,899 --> 00:00:42,465 They also dig into the hidden skills menu 16 00:00:42,465 --> 00:00:44,484 in Microsoft three sixty five Cowork, 17 00:00:44,864 --> 00:00:47,844 building custom skills with markdown in OneDrive, 18 00:00:48,304 --> 00:00:51,344 the missing MCP story, and how Cowork fits 19 00:00:51,344 --> 00:00:54,625 alongside regular Copilot chat. If you want, stick 20 00:00:54,625 --> 00:00:57,320 around for the after show where Scott vents 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,219 about Gemma four eating all his storage. 22 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:05,479 Another episode. Scott, you decided to join me 23 00:01:05,479 --> 00:01:07,894 for this episode after you I was gonna 24 00:01:07,894 --> 00:01:09,575 say left me with joy, but you really 25 00:01:09,575 --> 00:01:11,594 didn't leave me with joy. You delegated 26 00:01:12,135 --> 00:01:12,954 your responsibilities 27 00:01:13,415 --> 00:01:15,655 of the last episode to joy. And you 28 00:01:15,655 --> 00:01:17,415 missed out. Some joy to your life. You 29 00:01:17,415 --> 00:01:19,034 did be some more joy to my life. 30 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:23,260 No. Thank thanks to Joy Apple for stepping 31 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:25,340 in. I had a scheduling snafu. I had 32 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:26,959 to go do some round tables 33 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:29,680 at Azure MVP Summit and 34 00:01:30,060 --> 00:01:33,439 ended up having some discussions around how folks 35 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:34,000 are 36 00:01:34,875 --> 00:01:35,375 using 37 00:01:35,754 --> 00:01:38,634 AI to transform their careers. And actually, that 38 00:01:38,634 --> 00:01:41,515 kinda, like, intersects with our conversation today because 39 00:01:41,515 --> 00:01:43,834 we're gonna be back to the whole AI 40 00:01:43,834 --> 00:01:44,494 thing. Yeah. 41 00:01:44,954 --> 00:01:47,150 And Yeah. So today, let's 42 00:01:47,689 --> 00:01:50,250 chat co work. Co work. Like the building 43 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:52,010 where I go get a co work co 44 00:01:52,010 --> 00:01:53,390 workers? A co work 45 00:01:53,770 --> 00:01:56,270 subscription. Co work versus co work kinda thing. 46 00:01:56,409 --> 00:01:58,170 Yeah. So so one of the things that 47 00:01:58,170 --> 00:01:59,070 I've been on 48 00:01:59,450 --> 00:02:01,545 lately, this path I've been down, and this 49 00:02:01,545 --> 00:02:03,225 was definitely, like, a theme that I picked 50 00:02:03,225 --> 00:02:05,165 up a couple weeks ago with the MVPs 51 00:02:05,704 --> 00:02:07,005 at Summit, is 52 00:02:07,545 --> 00:02:10,344 the kind of pace of things continues to 53 00:02:10,344 --> 00:02:12,599 accelerate. There's always new tools, all that coming 54 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:14,699 out. Yep. But also the methodology 55 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,599 for existing tools is changing over time. So 56 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:21,159 there are things that maybe somebody's been like, 57 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:23,959 we talked about CLIs, things like quad code 58 00:02:23,959 --> 00:02:26,844 and Gemini code and help copilot CLI and 59 00:02:26,844 --> 00:02:27,965 all that and, like, getting back to the 60 00:02:27,965 --> 00:02:30,625 terminal. That approach that exists in those ecosystems 61 00:02:31,164 --> 00:02:31,664 of 62 00:02:31,965 --> 00:02:33,025 creating agents 63 00:02:33,405 --> 00:02:36,044 and creating skills and kind of going down 64 00:02:36,044 --> 00:02:38,685 the stack, it's it's rapidly changing over time. 65 00:02:38,685 --> 00:02:40,444 So one of the discussions we're having was 66 00:02:40,444 --> 00:02:41,104 like, hey, 67 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:42,830 you potentially 68 00:02:43,210 --> 00:02:45,210 actually are in a worse place today if 69 00:02:45,210 --> 00:02:47,129 you're starting out with, let's say, in, like, 70 00:02:47,129 --> 00:02:48,969 claud and claud code. You know, you've got 71 00:02:48,969 --> 00:02:50,490 a claud MD or maybe you're in GitHub 72 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:52,490 Copilot CLI and you have a Copilot MD, 73 00:02:52,490 --> 00:02:54,409 whatever it happens to be, and you've set 74 00:02:54,409 --> 00:02:56,030 this, like, grounded set of instructions. 75 00:02:56,455 --> 00:02:57,895 Well, maybe you had to set that grounded 76 00:02:57,895 --> 00:03:00,215 set of instructions because six months ago, the 77 00:03:00,215 --> 00:03:02,694 models weren't that good. But today, they're actually 78 00:03:02,694 --> 00:03:03,514 just better 79 00:03:04,134 --> 00:03:04,794 at less 80 00:03:05,094 --> 00:03:07,675 you telling them what to do and more 81 00:03:08,134 --> 00:03:11,030 asking them questions and then letting them kinda 82 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:13,030 come to these frameworks on their own, things 83 00:03:13,030 --> 00:03:15,269 like agents and skills. So we're in this 84 00:03:15,269 --> 00:03:16,489 weird world of 85 00:03:16,870 --> 00:03:19,269 markdown rules today. I didn't see this one 86 00:03:19,269 --> 00:03:20,310 coming. Right? They didn't have it in my 87 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:21,829 bingo card where markdown would be like the 88 00:03:21,829 --> 00:03:23,995 new programming language of the future, but it 89 00:03:23,995 --> 00:03:26,574 is. It unlocks a bunch of stuff. So 90 00:03:26,634 --> 00:03:28,574 today, we're gonna talk about 91 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:30,794 rather than the CLI side of things, we're 92 00:03:30,794 --> 00:03:32,794 gonna talk about the co work side of 93 00:03:32,794 --> 00:03:35,514 things. So a little bit about kinda Claude 94 00:03:35,514 --> 00:03:38,519 CoWork, what that does, and more specifically, m 95 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:41,180 three sixty five cowork and where that sits 96 00:03:41,319 --> 00:03:41,819 in, 97 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,500 I think, the kinda 98 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,939 agentic ecosystem 99 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,780 of being able to perform tasks, schedule work, 100 00:03:49,239 --> 00:03:51,319 more than single things. Like, it's less write 101 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:53,814 this report for me, spit the report out, 102 00:03:53,814 --> 00:03:56,295 more like go actually action something, like go 103 00:03:56,295 --> 00:03:58,555 triage my mailbox for me kinds of things. 104 00:03:58,615 --> 00:04:00,375 And how those are powerful and how they 105 00:04:00,375 --> 00:04:03,435 form up and how you can kinda customize 106 00:04:03,495 --> 00:04:05,895 them and take them a little bit more 107 00:04:05,895 --> 00:04:09,280 forward with things like markdown files that just 108 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,680 equate to skills that you can go and 109 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,680 deploy out there. Yeah. You mean co work 110 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,360 is kind of like a co worker that 111 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,680 can go do stuff alongside me? It's like 112 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,154 Kinda. Kinda. Yeah. It's tough with the naming 113 00:04:21,154 --> 00:04:21,875 here. So 114 00:04:22,275 --> 00:04:22,775 Really? 115 00:04:23,314 --> 00:04:25,895 Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's tough. Shocker. Shocker. 116 00:04:26,435 --> 00:04:28,675 I mean, it is hard because there's Claude 117 00:04:28,675 --> 00:04:30,535 CoWork, and Yep. That's the 118 00:04:30,995 --> 00:04:33,490 anthropic or the folks who run that. It's 119 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:34,930 been out there for a while if you 120 00:04:34,930 --> 00:04:37,889 are some kind of paid Claude subscriber. So 121 00:04:37,889 --> 00:04:39,169 if you're either in, like, the Pro or 122 00:04:39,169 --> 00:04:41,490 the Max plans or things like that. And 123 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:42,789 then Microsoft 124 00:04:43,649 --> 00:04:44,550 also has 125 00:04:45,264 --> 00:04:47,664 anthropic models. Like, you can go and run 126 00:04:47,664 --> 00:04:50,064 SONNET and things like that inside of m 127 00:04:50,064 --> 00:04:51,824 three sixty five if you're in the right 128 00:04:51,824 --> 00:04:54,384 geos and you have, like, the responsible AI 129 00:04:54,384 --> 00:04:56,785 access and governance and all that around it. 130 00:04:56,785 --> 00:04:58,704 But you can go run anthropic things, but 131 00:04:58,704 --> 00:05:00,839 then there's also this anthropic ish 132 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:03,899 thing in Copilot cowork, but 133 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,540 fundamentally different set of behaviors 134 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:09,259 just because of the way these two things 135 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,560 are wired up. Right? So maybe we should 136 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,634 kinda like walk the stack of, like, how 137 00:05:13,634 --> 00:05:15,474 these work and where they're different, and then 138 00:05:15,474 --> 00:05:18,115 we can get into m three sixty five 139 00:05:18,115 --> 00:05:19,794 co work and a little bit about I 140 00:05:19,794 --> 00:05:20,294 would 141 00:05:20,675 --> 00:05:22,435 you say they're different, but looking at it, 142 00:05:22,435 --> 00:05:24,194 as I played with it, there are absolutely 143 00:05:24,194 --> 00:05:26,529 some similarities here too In terms of Yeah. 144 00:05:26,529 --> 00:05:28,689 It's I guess similarities, yes. But I think 145 00:05:28,689 --> 00:05:31,089 from the start, they're very different. So if 146 00:05:31,089 --> 00:05:33,829 you think about yes. I have a coworker 147 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:35,669 that can go and perform 148 00:05:35,970 --> 00:05:38,050 tasks for me. Certain actions. Sounds simple on 149 00:05:38,050 --> 00:05:40,254 the surface. Yep. Both of these things do 150 00:05:40,254 --> 00:05:42,894 this, but the modalities are very different. Right? 151 00:05:42,894 --> 00:05:44,435 Desktop versus cloud. 152 00:05:44,894 --> 00:05:47,954 The connectivity and the ecosystem is very different. 153 00:05:48,095 --> 00:05:51,534 Again, things like access to maybe model context 154 00:05:51,534 --> 00:05:53,154 protocol, MCP servers, 155 00:05:53,550 --> 00:05:55,709 Both local and remote can be different based 156 00:05:55,709 --> 00:05:57,649 on that whole local versus 157 00:05:57,949 --> 00:05:58,930 cloud experience. 158 00:05:59,470 --> 00:06:01,889 There's also things like 159 00:06:03,149 --> 00:06:05,149 differences in the models that run from the 160 00:06:05,149 --> 00:06:05,649 cells, 161 00:06:05,949 --> 00:06:08,985 which then hits like context window limits and 162 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:11,144 some other things that that are out there. 163 00:06:11,144 --> 00:06:13,865 So there's like this it's weird. There's two 164 00:06:13,865 --> 00:06:15,704 things with the same name that kind of, 165 00:06:15,704 --> 00:06:17,805 like, one sits in the Microsoft ecosystem, 166 00:06:18,264 --> 00:06:21,160 but uses clod models under the hood. And 167 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:21,899 then there's 168 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:22,860 the anthropic 169 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,639 clod side of things, where it has its 170 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:26,379 set of capabilities, 171 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,680 and it does what it needs to do. 172 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,279 But, you know, as similar as they look 173 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,540 on the surface, I think they are bifurcated 174 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:33,500 in that 175 00:06:34,125 --> 00:06:36,044 one is gonna do one thing better than 176 00:06:36,044 --> 00:06:37,564 the other. So now you're at a point 177 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:39,104 where if you're in both ecosystems, 178 00:06:39,404 --> 00:06:41,245 like me, but you're there as well, now 179 00:06:41,245 --> 00:06:43,004 you gotta choose the right tool for the 180 00:06:43,004 --> 00:06:45,164 job, which is becoming a little bit of 181 00:06:45,164 --> 00:06:47,084 a mental burden. But if we just start 182 00:06:47,084 --> 00:06:48,944 at the top, so thinking through 183 00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:51,189 the modality of where these things run, 184 00:06:51,569 --> 00:06:52,790 Claude CoWork 185 00:06:53,170 --> 00:06:54,790 runs on your desktop. 186 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:57,430 So it runs in an application 187 00:06:58,050 --> 00:07:00,230 that sits on your desktop, macOS, 188 00:07:00,610 --> 00:07:03,350 Windows, and you're there and ready to go. 189 00:07:03,490 --> 00:07:03,990 And 190 00:07:04,685 --> 00:07:06,845 Microsoft three sixty five co work runs in 191 00:07:06,845 --> 00:07:09,245 the cloud because there is no local like, 192 00:07:09,245 --> 00:07:10,305 real, like, local 193 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:13,164 experience Right. Or at least an app that 194 00:07:13,164 --> 00:07:16,064 can talk and interact with local resources, 195 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:19,370 things like that. And that becomes impactful. Like, 196 00:07:19,370 --> 00:07:20,729 so one of the very first things that 197 00:07:20,729 --> 00:07:21,850 I did when I sat down and I 198 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:23,310 said, Oh, M365 199 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:25,370 co work is here, and it's available in 200 00:07:25,370 --> 00:07:27,370 the Frontier program. Let me go light this 201 00:07:27,370 --> 00:07:30,105 up and play with it, was I wanted 202 00:07:30,105 --> 00:07:30,845 it to 203 00:07:31,145 --> 00:07:31,645 organize 204 00:07:32,105 --> 00:07:32,845 some files 205 00:07:33,305 --> 00:07:35,645 that were in a folder on my PC, 206 00:07:35,865 --> 00:07:38,425 local folder. I've done this by a 100 207 00:07:38,425 --> 00:07:40,585 plus times with Claude Cowork at this point. 208 00:07:40,585 --> 00:07:42,745 Right? Hey, take this folder of receipts and 209 00:07:42,745 --> 00:07:45,210 categorize it for me. Take this folder of 210 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:47,529 blah blah blah. Help me organize my Obsidian 211 00:07:47,529 --> 00:07:49,689 vault. Like, just point at this folder and 212 00:07:49,689 --> 00:07:51,730 go. Let it do its thing. And when 213 00:07:51,730 --> 00:07:52,810 it the very first time I went to 214 00:07:52,810 --> 00:07:54,569 use m three sixty five co work, I 215 00:07:54,569 --> 00:07:56,805 immediately hit a blocker in that the data 216 00:07:56,805 --> 00:07:58,105 that I wanted to organize 217 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:01,125 wasn't in the cloud. It it did not 218 00:08:01,125 --> 00:08:02,904 reside in in OneDrive. 219 00:08:03,365 --> 00:08:05,685 So I had to go and upload all 220 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:08,004 this stuff, kick it up there, kinda wait 221 00:08:08,004 --> 00:08:09,845 until I could get, like, the ability for, 222 00:08:09,845 --> 00:08:11,764 like, that file picker that's in the m 223 00:08:11,764 --> 00:08:14,550 three sixty sixty five Copilot app to finally, 224 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:16,870 like, refresh itself and grab what it needs 225 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:19,029 to and see that stuff out there. But 226 00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:21,430 that that modality of, like, desktop app and 227 00:08:21,430 --> 00:08:22,329 local connectivity 228 00:08:22,709 --> 00:08:23,209 versus 229 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:24,490 what's ultimately 230 00:08:24,949 --> 00:08:27,274 a web app sitting in a desktop wrapper 231 00:08:27,274 --> 00:08:28,574 with no local connectivity. 232 00:08:28,955 --> 00:08:31,035 It is something to think about and kinda 233 00:08:31,035 --> 00:08:33,455 just hits you right in the face. Yeah. 234 00:08:33,595 --> 00:08:35,434 The other thing I would say about that, 235 00:08:35,434 --> 00:08:36,735 kind of on the flip side, 236 00:08:37,035 --> 00:08:39,355 is I've also run into things. I've used 237 00:08:39,355 --> 00:08:42,289 Cloud Cowork. I've scheduled tasks in there. But 238 00:08:42,289 --> 00:08:43,889 because it's all local, guess what has to 239 00:08:43,889 --> 00:08:46,049 happen for my scheduled task to actually run 240 00:08:46,049 --> 00:08:48,209 when it's scheduled? The machine has to be 241 00:08:48,209 --> 00:08:50,549 on. It has to be booted up, etcetera. 242 00:08:50,690 --> 00:08:52,929 So there's some of them I that I 243 00:08:52,929 --> 00:08:54,949 have to do on macOS for different reasons. 244 00:08:55,250 --> 00:08:58,195 It has my laptop is my Mac device. 245 00:08:58,195 --> 00:09:00,434 My desktop is Windows. I have to have 246 00:09:00,434 --> 00:09:02,914 my laptop on for that to run. Or 247 00:09:02,914 --> 00:09:04,195 there's some things I do have running in 248 00:09:04,195 --> 00:09:07,014 Windows on my desktop. If I'm gonna be 249 00:09:07,075 --> 00:09:09,174 out on vacation or I'm gonna be traveling, 250 00:09:09,710 --> 00:09:11,309 have to leave my desktop on for those 251 00:09:11,309 --> 00:09:13,789 to run versus the nice thing about Cowork 252 00:09:13,789 --> 00:09:15,389 and when it is in the cloud like 253 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:17,149 that is, yeah, maybe I don't have some 254 00:09:17,149 --> 00:09:19,629 of my local desktop access. But now if 255 00:09:19,629 --> 00:09:21,330 I am doing scheduled 256 00:09:21,710 --> 00:09:22,210 things, 257 00:09:22,704 --> 00:09:25,345 I'm not necessarily relying on my machine to 258 00:09:25,345 --> 00:09:28,464 be on because those tasks can run up 259 00:09:28,464 --> 00:09:30,004 in the cloud, all of that. So 260 00:09:30,865 --> 00:09:32,625 to your point, it's interesting as we look 261 00:09:32,625 --> 00:09:34,065 at these and as I've been playing with 262 00:09:34,065 --> 00:09:36,480 these of, to your earlier point, they're not 263 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,639 the same. There's pros and cons to each 264 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:40,559 one of these. Yeah. It's I mean, it's 265 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,639 just the mental friction. And, like I said, 266 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:44,019 I think for me, it's kinda 267 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:46,259 getting into the modality and thinking, 268 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:49,014 am I in the right place? Right. And 269 00:09:49,014 --> 00:09:50,955 because of the names having certain expectations, 270 00:09:51,335 --> 00:09:54,215 because Claude Cowork has been around for so 271 00:09:54,215 --> 00:09:54,875 much longer. 272 00:09:55,415 --> 00:09:57,415 Yes. Well, I think, yeah, there there's definitely 273 00:09:57,415 --> 00:10:00,215 some inherent bias there. Just having been in 274 00:10:00,215 --> 00:10:03,299 kinda the that ecosystem and getting used to 275 00:10:03,299 --> 00:10:06,419 things like Cloud cowork before being introduced to 276 00:10:06,419 --> 00:10:09,220 m three sixty five cowork. Yep. Alright. What 277 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:10,899 else is on here? Local file access, that 278 00:10:10,899 --> 00:10:12,980 was, like, the first three. M three sixty 279 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:15,075 five data, I mean, this one's kind of 280 00:10:15,315 --> 00:10:18,754 apparent, obvious, maybe, is that Microsoft Co Works, 281 00:10:18,754 --> 00:10:20,615 you're gonna have all the graph data. 282 00:10:20,915 --> 00:10:22,615 You have all the WorkIQ 283 00:10:22,915 --> 00:10:25,875 stuff that's available just natively right there. You 284 00:10:25,875 --> 00:10:27,634 don't have to do anything. You don't have 285 00:10:27,634 --> 00:10:29,429 to wire it up. It's gonna run-in a 286 00:10:29,669 --> 00:10:32,730 secure in that security boundary versus 287 00:10:33,429 --> 00:10:35,669 Cloud Cowork, and I've done all this. You 288 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:38,070 can just wire up all these MCP connectors 289 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:40,629 to get that data, but there's a little 290 00:10:40,629 --> 00:10:42,649 bit more work there on the Cloud 291 00:10:42,950 --> 00:10:45,404 Cowork side if you're in the Microsoft three 292 00:10:45,404 --> 00:10:47,745 sixty five world. If you have multiple tenants, 293 00:10:48,125 --> 00:10:50,524 this is one thing, Scott. Both with Cloud 294 00:10:50,524 --> 00:10:54,144 CoWork and Microsoft three sixty five Copilot CoWork, 295 00:10:54,365 --> 00:10:56,125 I wish I could live in just a 296 00:10:56,125 --> 00:10:59,165 single Microsoft three sixty five tenant because having 297 00:10:59,165 --> 00:11:00,679 meetings and team 298 00:11:01,139 --> 00:11:02,279 conversations and 299 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:04,759 emails and all of this in 300 00:11:05,139 --> 00:11:07,639 four or five different tenants for 301 00:11:08,179 --> 00:11:10,440 reasons that are very valid 302 00:11:10,899 --> 00:11:13,139 based on the clients I work for, these 303 00:11:13,139 --> 00:11:15,620 tools do not help me consolidate all of 304 00:11:15,620 --> 00:11:17,514 that stuff stuff across multiple m three sixty 305 00:11:17,514 --> 00:11:19,855 five tenants no matter which one I use. 306 00:11:19,995 --> 00:11:22,254 But that m three sixty five data is 307 00:11:22,394 --> 00:11:25,615 another interesting one to think about as you 308 00:11:25,754 --> 00:11:27,375 work through it think through it. 309 00:11:28,235 --> 00:11:30,735 Yes. So I have been doing this with 310 00:11:31,070 --> 00:11:33,009 Claude Cowork, at least as far 311 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:36,830 as my organization, like my work data. Yep. 312 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:37,730 But OneDrive 313 00:11:38,190 --> 00:11:39,009 and Dropbox 314 00:11:39,549 --> 00:11:42,350 and Google Drive are all connected locally for 315 00:11:42,350 --> 00:11:43,954 me. Okay. So I remember, like, one of 316 00:11:43,954 --> 00:11:45,434 the one of the very first things that 317 00:11:45,434 --> 00:11:47,434 I did with Cloud Cowork is I have 318 00:11:47,434 --> 00:11:50,475 a a Dropbox folder that's full of just 319 00:11:50,475 --> 00:11:52,394 receipts. It's where I dump every receipt that 320 00:11:52,394 --> 00:11:53,914 I scan, whether it's for work, for life, 321 00:11:53,914 --> 00:11:55,595 whatever it is. And it's been this dumping 322 00:11:55,595 --> 00:11:57,820 ground for years. And it lives in the 323 00:11:57,820 --> 00:12:00,460 cloud. It lives in Dropbox. But because Dropbox 324 00:12:00,460 --> 00:12:02,540 syncs to my desktop, I didn't need any 325 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:04,620 kind of special connector or anything. It was 326 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:06,460 just Yep. Just there. Connect to a file 327 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:08,875 system and let it run. So I think 328 00:12:08,875 --> 00:12:11,355 even, like, for me, once you understand, like, 329 00:12:11,355 --> 00:12:13,595 the particular model you're working with or you 330 00:12:13,595 --> 00:12:14,794 get used to it, you kind of, like, 331 00:12:14,794 --> 00:12:16,634 want that as well. So there would still 332 00:12:16,634 --> 00:12:18,475 be some things where it says, like, oh, 333 00:12:18,475 --> 00:12:20,235 in an m three sixty five co work 334 00:12:20,235 --> 00:12:22,074 land, it connects to your m three sixty 335 00:12:22,074 --> 00:12:22,654 five data. 336 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:24,929 Well, I can connect to the graph with 337 00:12:24,929 --> 00:12:25,429 WorkIQ 338 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:28,210 and and the MCB that's available there. So 339 00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:30,290 saying, like, m three sixty five Cowork does 340 00:12:30,290 --> 00:12:32,470 graph access and Claude Cowork doesn't, 341 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:34,230 that doesn't really fly. 342 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:35,110 Granted, 343 00:12:35,414 --> 00:12:37,334 one is way faster than the other. I 344 00:12:37,334 --> 00:12:39,414 will say, like, m three sixty five cowork, 345 00:12:39,414 --> 00:12:42,695 way faster than doing things in WorkIQ and 346 00:12:42,695 --> 00:12:44,615 the MCP. Same thing for, like, access to 347 00:12:44,615 --> 00:12:46,534 data. If I have OneDrive and I can 348 00:12:46,534 --> 00:12:48,455 sync that stuff and bring it down, I 349 00:12:48,455 --> 00:12:51,034 can still I can still manipulate it. So 350 00:12:51,149 --> 00:12:51,590 it 351 00:12:52,029 --> 00:12:54,269 many times as I'm, like, working with m 352 00:12:54,269 --> 00:12:56,269 three sixty five co work, in the back 353 00:12:56,269 --> 00:12:57,710 of my head, I'm also thinking about the 354 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:59,389 ways to just work around it with Claude 355 00:12:59,389 --> 00:13:02,190 co work so that in the event, like, 356 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:04,355 my employer should give me Claude someday, cross 357 00:13:04,355 --> 00:13:05,014 my fingers, 358 00:13:05,394 --> 00:13:06,914 I would just be able to go back 359 00:13:06,914 --> 00:13:07,894 into that ecosystem, 360 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:10,434 not only for my personal stuff, but for 361 00:13:10,434 --> 00:13:13,235 my work stuff as well. Yeah. And that 362 00:13:13,315 --> 00:13:15,235 I've done that. Like, I'm in the same 363 00:13:15,235 --> 00:13:18,080 boat where it's files on the local computer. 364 00:13:18,379 --> 00:13:20,299 I think for some, and this is some 365 00:13:20,299 --> 00:13:22,960 of my clients, it's not even so much, 366 00:13:23,419 --> 00:13:24,860 can you do it? It's 367 00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:28,299 in this comparison that we have that we'll 368 00:13:28,299 --> 00:13:29,955 post in the show notes talks about, some 369 00:13:29,955 --> 00:13:31,555 of it's a little bit more the security 370 00:13:31,555 --> 00:13:33,394 side of things too. Like, I have certain 371 00:13:33,394 --> 00:13:35,315 clients that are like, we are going to 372 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:36,295 use Copilot 373 00:13:36,835 --> 00:13:40,774 because for certain compliance reasons, regulatory reasons, 374 00:13:41,394 --> 00:13:42,774 or just general 375 00:13:43,580 --> 00:13:45,679 what IT is comfortable with 376 00:13:46,299 --> 00:13:48,620 for various reasons, they do shut down all 377 00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:50,240 these other ones. And 378 00:13:50,540 --> 00:13:53,679 having Cowork, having Purview there for auditing, 379 00:13:54,299 --> 00:13:55,440 being able to 380 00:13:56,075 --> 00:13:57,754 put a few more of those security controls 381 00:13:57,754 --> 00:13:59,754 around it, have security around it does make 382 00:13:59,754 --> 00:14:02,335 a difference for them. Oh, I'm I yeah. 383 00:14:02,794 --> 00:14:03,294 Absolutely. 384 00:14:03,754 --> 00:14:05,434 No argument there that, like, being in the 385 00:14:05,434 --> 00:14:05,934 ecosystem 386 00:14:06,475 --> 00:14:08,235 is part of the value prop that you 387 00:14:08,235 --> 00:14:09,835 get out of it. What other ones on 388 00:14:09,835 --> 00:14:11,355 here do you wanna talk about? There's a 389 00:14:11,355 --> 00:14:13,089 whole list. Again, we'll put it out there. 390 00:14:13,089 --> 00:14:14,610 Yeah. I can check all those, like, add 391 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:17,490 add What about the context window? That's an 392 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:18,949 interesting one on here. 393 00:14:19,809 --> 00:14:22,769 Yeah. So Claude CoWork, again, back to, like, 394 00:14:22,769 --> 00:14:23,829 the model things, 395 00:14:24,529 --> 00:14:26,149 uses Claude Opus 396 00:14:26,475 --> 00:14:28,315 4.6. I don't think they've switched it to 397 00:14:28,315 --> 00:14:30,442 4.7. Like, that just came out. They I 398 00:14:30,442 --> 00:14:32,714 I did. I I don't CoWork has 4.7 399 00:14:32,714 --> 00:14:34,394 in there already. They came out with it 400 00:14:34,394 --> 00:14:36,875 yesterday. I wasn't impressed with it. Yesterday. I 401 00:14:36,875 --> 00:14:38,634 haven't had anything to do in co hitting 402 00:14:38,634 --> 00:14:40,235 Claude CoWork today, so I haven't been in 403 00:14:40,235 --> 00:14:41,730 there. So so, yeah, you kinda get, like, 404 00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:43,509 latest and greatest model, which means 405 00:14:43,810 --> 00:14:46,389 you also get these, like, 406 00:14:46,769 --> 00:14:49,490 for better or worse, larger context windows to 407 00:14:49,490 --> 00:14:50,790 work with tokens. 408 00:14:51,250 --> 00:14:53,694 So the data that you're passing in, I 409 00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:55,534 mean, well, at least in Opus four six, 410 00:14:55,534 --> 00:14:57,934 you had up to a million tokens in 411 00:14:57,934 --> 00:14:58,914 a context window. 412 00:14:59,375 --> 00:14:59,875 And 413 00:15:00,414 --> 00:15:02,514 it looks like Copilot Cowork 414 00:15:02,975 --> 00:15:03,475 is 415 00:15:03,855 --> 00:15:04,914 16,000 416 00:15:05,054 --> 00:15:05,554 characters, 417 00:15:06,095 --> 00:15:08,700 which is a little a little limiting in 418 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,539 the grand scheme of things. So that that's 419 00:15:10,539 --> 00:15:12,379 another modality thing where you have to think 420 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:12,879 about 421 00:15:13,419 --> 00:15:15,899 what's the story and context window that you're 422 00:15:15,899 --> 00:15:18,240 building in that you're kinda grounding into 423 00:15:18,940 --> 00:15:21,100 this coworker to go do something for you? 424 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:22,240 Like, how complex 425 00:15:22,855 --> 00:15:24,294 is the thing that I'm asking it to 426 00:15:24,294 --> 00:15:25,735 do, and how much of that do I 427 00:15:25,735 --> 00:15:27,254 need to teach it in the form of, 428 00:15:27,254 --> 00:15:29,455 like, defining the agent or defining the piece 429 00:15:29,575 --> 00:15:31,195 set of work that needs to be done, 430 00:15:31,414 --> 00:15:33,735 agent skill, whatever, that you're gonna pop in 431 00:15:33,735 --> 00:15:36,294 there. So it's not something I've ever really 432 00:15:36,294 --> 00:15:38,639 thought about with Claude Cowork, And I haven't 433 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,019 run into any 434 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,220 inherent limitations 435 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:44,799 with m three sixty five CoWork yet, but 436 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:46,879 I'm sure there's gonna be some rough under 437 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:48,959 the edge, like, just hidden on the edge 438 00:15:48,959 --> 00:15:50,799 thing that hurts just a little bit at 439 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:52,574 some point because of that. Yeah. 440 00:15:58,315 --> 00:16:00,554 This episode is brought to you by Trusted 441 00:16:00,554 --> 00:16:03,514 Tech. If you're managing Microsoft three sixty five, 442 00:16:03,514 --> 00:16:06,700 you already know licensing isn't simple. 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Four seven is there now. 468 00:17:20,894 --> 00:17:23,534 But it says it's version not disclosed for 469 00:17:23,534 --> 00:17:25,375 Copilot Cowork. And I actually just looked in 470 00:17:25,375 --> 00:17:27,615 mine, and I have both Sonnet 4.6 471 00:17:27,615 --> 00:17:28,974 and Opus 4.7 472 00:17:28,974 --> 00:17:31,480 that I can select in Microsoft three sixty 473 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,359 five Co Works. So I was actually surprised 474 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,259 to see Microsoft add the model to Copilot 475 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,480 the same day it came out. Like, Claude 476 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,000 came out with four dot seven, and it 477 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,900 showed up in 478 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,315 Claude and CoWork almost, Or not Claude and 479 00:17:45,315 --> 00:17:47,654 Cowork. Claude and Copilot almost simultaneously. 480 00:17:48,194 --> 00:17:50,355 But Microsoft, that's one area I would say 481 00:17:50,355 --> 00:17:52,595 too that they've I feel like they've listened 482 00:17:52,595 --> 00:17:54,275 a little bit. By default, they still go 483 00:17:54,275 --> 00:17:56,515 to auto, but they are letting you have 484 00:17:56,515 --> 00:17:58,434 a lot more control over being able to 485 00:17:58,434 --> 00:18:00,390 select the model you wanna use. Yep. Which 486 00:18:00,390 --> 00:18:01,630 is best. You can get in there and 487 00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:02,349 play with it. It's, 488 00:18:03,789 --> 00:18:05,869 so this is another interesting one and a 489 00:18:05,869 --> 00:18:07,549 little bit of like a double edged sword, 490 00:18:07,549 --> 00:18:08,990 and I've been running into this for a 491 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:11,809 while. So I work in a global organization, 492 00:18:12,109 --> 00:18:13,009 global team, 493 00:18:13,674 --> 00:18:15,934 particularly like my team members and my coworkers 494 00:18:16,315 --> 00:18:18,234 over in Europe. Uh-huh. We'll be on a 495 00:18:18,234 --> 00:18:19,755 call and we'll be doing something. And I 496 00:18:19,755 --> 00:18:21,115 like, I remember the first time I did 497 00:18:21,115 --> 00:18:23,035 this with Researcher hopping in and I was 498 00:18:23,035 --> 00:18:25,035 like, Oh, this is really cool. Like they 499 00:18:25,035 --> 00:18:27,035 get they give us access to to Claude 500 00:18:27,035 --> 00:18:29,429 models, anthropic models inside Researcher. 501 00:18:29,889 --> 00:18:32,549 And everybody's like, yes. And then they're like, 502 00:18:32,769 --> 00:18:34,529 no, because I don't get that because I'm 503 00:18:34,529 --> 00:18:36,609 in Europe, and it's locked out Oh, interesting. 504 00:18:36,769 --> 00:18:39,009 Due to tenant configuration and things like that. 505 00:18:39,009 --> 00:18:40,950 So back to the whole, like, 506 00:18:41,284 --> 00:18:43,605 where you are in the world and things 507 00:18:43,605 --> 00:18:44,105 like 508 00:18:44,484 --> 00:18:45,704 GDPR boundaries 509 00:18:46,005 --> 00:18:47,464 and tenant configuration, 510 00:18:47,765 --> 00:18:50,025 like Yep. May or may not be available 511 00:18:50,325 --> 00:18:52,825 to you. And so far, like, because 512 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:55,750 it's all built on anthropic models as far 513 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:58,970 as the Cowork Frontier agent that's there today, 514 00:18:59,269 --> 00:19:01,429 same thing. It's locked out and not the 515 00:19:01,429 --> 00:19:04,089 not the most viable thing. Which that's interesting. 516 00:19:04,149 --> 00:19:05,990 You brought it up. Let's dive into Cowork 517 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:07,325 a little bit. So Microsoft 518 00:19:07,865 --> 00:19:09,865 cowork. Yes. You just said one of the 519 00:19:09,865 --> 00:19:11,325 key things there is 520 00:19:11,625 --> 00:19:14,524 the Microsoft three sixty five cowork agent 521 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:15,404 because 522 00:19:15,784 --> 00:19:16,684 that is 523 00:19:17,065 --> 00:19:19,544 what it is an agent that you go 524 00:19:19,544 --> 00:19:20,044 into 525 00:19:20,345 --> 00:19:22,204 your Microsoft three sixty five Copilot, 526 00:19:22,769 --> 00:19:25,990 go find the agents, and you install this 527 00:19:26,369 --> 00:19:29,670 you install Cowork as an agent into Copilot, 528 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:32,450 which is different than I get at least 529 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:34,450 how it appears in Claude where it's just 530 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:36,654 a toggle between two different things. Yeah. I 531 00:19:36,654 --> 00:19:39,934 think Claude ultimately has, like, chat, co work, 532 00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:41,694 code. Yep. So you've got these kinda, like, 533 00:19:41,694 --> 00:19:44,355 three modalities, and you can go across them 534 00:19:44,414 --> 00:19:47,295 or three kinda main interaction pillars. And once 535 00:19:47,295 --> 00:19:48,815 you learn them, you kinda pick and choose 536 00:19:48,815 --> 00:19:50,230 and go to the right one. M three 537 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:52,390 sixty five Copilot's a little bit different in 538 00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:54,649 that it tries to drive you into, like, 539 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:56,869 the search hub for everything. So they're just 540 00:19:56,869 --> 00:19:58,549 thinking down, like, your hamburger menu on the 541 00:19:58,549 --> 00:20:00,950 left, right, your set of options. You've got 542 00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:03,994 search, you've got agents, you've got chats, and 543 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,494 just running down the gamut of things. So 544 00:20:06,554 --> 00:20:09,515 I think it is an interesting decision to 545 00:20:09,515 --> 00:20:12,234 say rather than, like, being, like, right in 546 00:20:12,234 --> 00:20:14,634 your face, like m three sixty five Copilot 547 00:20:14,634 --> 00:20:16,654 is always gonna be here kind of thing, 548 00:20:16,714 --> 00:20:19,119 that it's, to a certain degree, demoted, like, 549 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,440 as an agent and just sitting down a 550 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,279 little bit further in the stack. So for 551 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,000 me, I've got, like, tens of agents installed 552 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,519 right now in, like, M three sixty five 553 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:28,019 Copilot. 554 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,160 So it's, like, depending on how that list 555 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,559 shifts over time as I'm adding agents, taking 556 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,424 things out, can be like a little bit, 557 00:20:34,424 --> 00:20:36,184 like, of a chore just in the UI 558 00:20:36,184 --> 00:20:37,724 to get down there and find it. 559 00:20:38,025 --> 00:20:40,345 You need to start pinning them, Scott. Pin 560 00:20:40,345 --> 00:20:42,105 your agents and I don't know why pin 561 00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:43,304 them. They're just gonna go away, and I'm 562 00:20:43,304 --> 00:20:44,345 gonna find a new one, or is it 563 00:20:44,345 --> 00:20:46,410 gonna move my cheese, or what whatever it 564 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:48,250 is. Kinda like they moved to apps again? 565 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:49,390 That's another conversation. 566 00:20:49,690 --> 00:20:51,549 Apps moved again. Okay. 567 00:20:52,090 --> 00:20:54,650 Squirrel. Apps. S. Apps. Apps was the other 568 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:56,410 part that's up there. Yeah. Yeah. So it's 569 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:57,850 it is a little bit different to go 570 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:59,130 and find it. So like you said, so 571 00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:01,065 you gotta be to bootstrap. You have to 572 00:21:01,065 --> 00:21:03,144 be in the Frontier program. Yep. You have 573 00:21:03,144 --> 00:21:06,605 to have the anthropic models, like the governance 574 00:21:06,664 --> 00:21:08,744 controls in the m three six five admin 575 00:21:08,744 --> 00:21:11,065 center lit up for your tenant saying like, 576 00:21:11,065 --> 00:21:13,319 hey. This is okay for folks to use. 577 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:16,380 And then you've gotta go the extra step. 578 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,720 I don't I'd like, I don't think you 579 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,559 can can you automate this as an admin, 580 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:21,639 like, deploying agents to all your users? Like, 581 00:21:21,639 --> 00:21:22,919 I'd I had to go in and find 582 00:21:22,919 --> 00:21:25,079 it, like, in the the agent store, go 583 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:26,954 add it manually kinda thing. I went and 584 00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:28,494 found it. I'm trying to 585 00:21:29,115 --> 00:21:29,615 remember. 586 00:21:30,714 --> 00:21:33,194 I think you can. I think I did 587 00:21:33,194 --> 00:21:36,255 push out agents to everybody in my tenant. 588 00:21:36,315 --> 00:21:38,634 So I believe there are admin controls where 589 00:21:38,634 --> 00:21:40,769 you can go say, go push this agent 590 00:21:40,769 --> 00:21:43,329 out to all these different people and publish 591 00:21:43,329 --> 00:21:44,929 it to these people and all that. But 592 00:21:45,089 --> 00:21:47,409 Gotcha. Yep. Yeah. I'm not a 100% sure 593 00:21:47,409 --> 00:21:49,730 on that. Alright. Yes. So so, like, you 594 00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:52,849 kinda get through the installation gauntlet as a 595 00:21:52,849 --> 00:21:53,265 user, 596 00:21:53,825 --> 00:21:55,744 and then you've got m three sixty five 597 00:21:55,744 --> 00:21:57,744 Cowork. I think it's also interesting that the 598 00:21:57,744 --> 00:21:58,244 way 599 00:21:58,704 --> 00:21:59,204 Cowork 600 00:21:59,664 --> 00:22:01,904 presents to a user. So the very first 601 00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:04,305 time you go into just about any agent 602 00:22:04,305 --> 00:22:06,089 in m three sixty five, you've got a 603 00:22:06,089 --> 00:22:08,730 set of, like, suggested prompts and what this 604 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:10,089 agent can do and how is it how 605 00:22:10,089 --> 00:22:12,589 is it going. So it looks very similar 606 00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:14,650 to some of the other, like, default prompts 607 00:22:14,650 --> 00:22:16,490 in in the prompt library for an m 608 00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:19,450 365 tenant. It's got stuff like, catch me 609 00:22:19,450 --> 00:22:21,984 up, organize my inbox, organize my week, help 610 00:22:21,984 --> 00:22:23,505 me prep for a meeting, plan for an 611 00:22:23,505 --> 00:22:25,825 event, prepare my one on ones. And funny 612 00:22:25,825 --> 00:22:28,144 enough that the other default prompt is research 613 00:22:28,144 --> 00:22:28,804 a company. 614 00:22:29,184 --> 00:22:31,664 Like Yeah. Okay. That that's in CoWork, not 615 00:22:31,664 --> 00:22:33,664 in researchers. So there's a little bit of 616 00:22:33,664 --> 00:22:35,044 nuance there. That is true. 617 00:22:35,345 --> 00:22:37,299 But I do use Co claw Cowork a 618 00:22:37,299 --> 00:22:39,140 lot for researching a company before I have 619 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:40,660 a call with them. I should make sure 620 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:41,220 that it's too. 621 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:45,380 Because in Claude Land, in Cowork Land, I 622 00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:48,119 can also bring projects into Cowork, like collections 623 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:50,115 of documents and all those kinds of things. 624 00:22:50,434 --> 00:22:52,275 So similar thing I can do over in 625 00:22:52,275 --> 00:22:54,355 M 365 Co Copilot. I could bring, like, 626 00:22:54,355 --> 00:22:57,394 a collection of documents together, like, maybe, like, 627 00:22:57,394 --> 00:23:00,275 research from Gartner, IDC, something. It depends on 628 00:23:00,275 --> 00:23:02,535 what you're going at and what you're really 629 00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:04,779 kinda trying to get it to do and 630 00:23:04,779 --> 00:23:06,700 get out of it. But those things are 631 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,460 all there for you. And I think the 632 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:10,380 natural inclination is just to kinda go in 633 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:12,940 there and, like, pick one and see how 634 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:15,180 it does and what it's got going on. 635 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:17,375 So back to, like, first experiences. So, like, 636 00:23:17,375 --> 00:23:19,375 my first experience with m three sixty five 637 00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:19,875 Copilot 638 00:23:20,815 --> 00:23:23,535 was help me organize my inbox. So just 639 00:23:23,535 --> 00:23:26,335 that default prompt that's there. So it kinda 640 00:23:26,335 --> 00:23:27,394 wants to go through, 641 00:23:27,775 --> 00:23:29,855 and it does the typical thing that I 642 00:23:29,855 --> 00:23:31,649 think most of these, like, reasoning models are 643 00:23:31,649 --> 00:23:33,250 doing now. It churns for a little while. 644 00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:35,429 It sinks. It goes out, reads your inbox. 645 00:23:35,569 --> 00:23:37,669 And then I found it to be, like, 646 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:38,629 oddly inflexible. 647 00:23:39,089 --> 00:23:40,450 Like, I couldn't get it to do what 648 00:23:40,450 --> 00:23:42,369 I want, right? And sitting here saying, like, 649 00:23:42,369 --> 00:23:43,589 I found a bunch of newsletters. 650 00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:45,569 Okay, great. You want me to delete all 651 00:23:45,569 --> 00:23:46,230 your newsletters? 652 00:23:46,744 --> 00:23:48,205 No. Don't delete my newsletters. 653 00:23:48,585 --> 00:23:51,785 Take the newsletters from the information and business 654 00:23:51,785 --> 00:23:53,805 insider and put them in my inbox other, 655 00:23:53,945 --> 00:23:56,105 archive the rest, and then delete these two 656 00:23:56,105 --> 00:23:58,679 kinda thing, right, which should just work. It 657 00:23:58,679 --> 00:23:59,179 didn't. 658 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,399 It it it it didn't like me at 659 00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:03,319 all in that model. I also found, like, 660 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,079 through that one and a couple of the 661 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:05,579 other, 662 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,359 I I guess, system prompts, default prompts that 663 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,839 are there, because it's erring towards the side 664 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:12,599 of, like, human in the loop and human 665 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:13,099 interaction, 666 00:24:13,505 --> 00:24:14,705 you still end up doing a lot of 667 00:24:14,705 --> 00:24:17,505 clicking. So those things, like, organize my inbox. 668 00:24:17,505 --> 00:24:19,345 Like, if it makes the wrong decision, like, 669 00:24:19,345 --> 00:24:21,025 Scott, I wanna delete all your newsletters, and 670 00:24:21,025 --> 00:24:22,305 I'm like, I don't wanna delete all my 671 00:24:22,305 --> 00:24:24,065 newsletters. I you still need to go and 672 00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:28,079 individually triage them, and it's a 100,000 673 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,320 times faster to just open your inbox and 674 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,320 do it there than it is like clicking 675 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,720 the buttons and the little drop downs and 676 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,759 the little action notifiers that come up inside 677 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:39,920 of a m three sixty five co works. 678 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,015 So it's a like, I think it presents 679 00:24:43,015 --> 00:24:44,934 that it does what it, like, says on 680 00:24:44,934 --> 00:24:45,595 the tin, 681 00:24:46,375 --> 00:24:48,695 but the interaction for it is a little 682 00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,375 bit strange. But I'm sure that'll improve over 683 00:24:50,375 --> 00:24:52,134 time. Probably one of those benefits to just 684 00:24:52,134 --> 00:24:53,575 saying, hey. It's in an agent, so they 685 00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:55,595 can iterate on it a little more rapidly. 686 00:24:55,815 --> 00:24:56,875 Right. Well and 687 00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,519 I would say from that, like, telling an 688 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,380 agent to go organize my inbox 689 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:04,559 would inherently make me nervous. So I do 690 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:06,079 appreciate that they are a little bit on 691 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:07,519 the side of caution, but it would be 692 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:08,720 nice that if you told it to do 693 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,700 something, it actually 694 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,759 did it. To be fair, Claude's done the 695 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:13,625 same thing to me, and it's interesting. So 696 00:25:13,625 --> 00:25:15,884 how often have you found yourself using AI? 697 00:25:16,024 --> 00:25:17,865 And then after, like, fifteen or twenty minutes 698 00:25:17,865 --> 00:25:19,304 of arguing with it to try to get 699 00:25:19,304 --> 00:25:21,325 it to do something, you have that realization 700 00:25:21,384 --> 00:25:22,825 of this would have been quicker for me 701 00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:23,964 to just go do it. 702 00:25:24,825 --> 00:25:26,585 I'm getting there a lot quicker these days. 703 00:25:26,585 --> 00:25:28,044 My my patience is 704 00:25:28,639 --> 00:25:31,279 just that much shorter. And I think, like, 705 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,259 some tools 706 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:33,059 like 707 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,619 CloudCoWork and m three sixty fiveCoWork, 708 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,099 they don't help with that frustration. 709 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,480 So one of the things that I've been 710 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,399 doing more and more on the CLI side, 711 00:25:42,399 --> 00:25:44,775 at least in, like, CloudCoord land, is you 712 00:25:44,775 --> 00:25:46,134 can do things like when you're on that 713 00:25:46,134 --> 00:25:47,734 path and you start banging your head against 714 00:25:47,734 --> 00:25:49,815 the wall, maybe the context is poisoned a 715 00:25:49,815 --> 00:25:51,734 little bit too much. Right? Like, the task 716 00:25:51,734 --> 00:25:53,575 has gotten too big or it's just gone 717 00:25:53,575 --> 00:25:55,335 off the rails, is you can do things 718 00:25:55,335 --> 00:25:57,150 like you can rewind. Right? I just wanna 719 00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:59,230 I wanna step back and history before the 720 00:25:59,230 --> 00:26:01,710 con go back before the context was poisoned 721 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:03,230 or we got off the rails, and I 722 00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:05,549 kinda wanna explore a different path. So I've 723 00:26:05,549 --> 00:26:07,710 gotten, like, really spoiled by that in the 724 00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:08,850 CLI experiences 725 00:26:09,494 --> 00:26:10,795 where it doesn't exist 726 00:26:11,575 --> 00:26:13,335 in co work land. So at least, like, 727 00:26:13,335 --> 00:26:14,875 CloudCoWork versus CloudCode, 728 00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:16,694 like we discussed a couple weeks ago about 729 00:26:16,694 --> 00:26:18,615 the CLIs. Like, I just default to the 730 00:26:18,615 --> 00:26:19,115 CLIs. 731 00:26:19,414 --> 00:26:21,355 But you really don't have that option 732 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,160 with m three sixty five Copilot. There there 733 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,759 is no CLI for it. Right? There's just 734 00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,679 a web app or the desktop app and 735 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:29,519 the web wrapper, and you kinda get in 736 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:31,279 there and get going with it. But I 737 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,359 think generally, like, I ran into the same 738 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,519 thing with a lot of just the default 739 00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,375 prompts that were there. In sure, they were 740 00:26:38,375 --> 00:26:40,054 pointy and opinionated, which I think is good 741 00:26:40,054 --> 00:26:42,134 for anybody who's just starting out. And maybe 742 00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:43,355 you don't have a workflow 743 00:26:43,734 --> 00:26:44,234 or 744 00:26:44,775 --> 00:26:47,654 you're open to having this thing come back 745 00:26:47,654 --> 00:26:49,335 to you with, like for your mailbox, like 746 00:26:49,335 --> 00:26:52,420 a different categorization system. It's really hard when 747 00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:55,299 it's yours and it's all out there. But 748 00:26:55,299 --> 00:26:56,980 I think we'll have a workaround there because 749 00:26:56,980 --> 00:26:58,420 we were going through and talking about this 750 00:26:58,420 --> 00:26:59,940 one and getting ready, and we both realized 751 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:02,740 that m three sixty five Copilot does something 752 00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:04,525 that we didn't know. Yes. Are we gonna 753 00:27:04,525 --> 00:27:06,525 dive into that? To work. Well, before we 754 00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:08,765 do that, there's one thing I wanna call 755 00:27:08,765 --> 00:27:10,445 out because I missed it the first time 756 00:27:10,445 --> 00:27:11,964 I was looking at this too in terms 757 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,144 of getting started. As you get that prompt, 758 00:27:14,285 --> 00:27:15,805 and this will even lead into what you 759 00:27:15,805 --> 00:27:17,369 just said too a little bit. And you 760 00:27:17,369 --> 00:27:19,690 have your get to work, organize my inbox, 761 00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:21,690 my week, but then it asks, how can 762 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:23,130 I help you today? And you can start 763 00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:25,950 typing. And part of my first thought was, 764 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,829 okay. This, like, organize my week is doing 765 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:30,910 maybe a little bit more than just 766 00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:34,174 typing. There's a button next to how can 767 00:27:34,174 --> 00:27:36,115 I help you today that says add attachments? 768 00:27:36,335 --> 00:27:37,934 And if you well, if you hover over 769 00:27:37,934 --> 00:27:39,454 it, like, the info box is just add 770 00:27:39,454 --> 00:27:41,535 attachments. I'm like, okay. Great. So I can 771 00:27:41,535 --> 00:27:43,454 add a file or a PowerPoint. If you 772 00:27:43,454 --> 00:27:46,035 click that, you get attach cloud files, 773 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,039 upload images and files. 774 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:50,660 But then there's this other one right above 775 00:27:50,660 --> 00:27:52,759 it that's add work context, 776 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:53,880 and 777 00:27:54,259 --> 00:27:56,579 it has files, peoples, and meetings. And if 778 00:27:56,579 --> 00:27:59,880 you click that, it gives you a whole 779 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:01,799 another set of menus 780 00:28:02,184 --> 00:28:04,445 where you can go in and it'll give 781 00:28:04,825 --> 00:28:07,144 you where you can select people from your 782 00:28:07,144 --> 00:28:09,005 contacts. You can select files. 783 00:28:10,025 --> 00:28:12,984 You can actually select meetings, so it'll surface 784 00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:14,825 your whole calendar in there. So if you 785 00:28:14,825 --> 00:28:17,724 wanna add a specific meeting context in there, 786 00:28:18,019 --> 00:28:18,519 certain 787 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:21,220 emails, chats. So I could go add, like, 788 00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:23,720 our chat from this podcast recording in there, 789 00:28:23,859 --> 00:28:24,359 channels, 790 00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:25,480 sites. 791 00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:27,639 So all of these different 792 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,059 things, I guess, you could say from inside 793 00:28:31,059 --> 00:28:33,884 of Microsoft three sixty five. But then another 794 00:28:33,884 --> 00:28:35,184 one here is skills, 795 00:28:35,644 --> 00:28:36,625 and it has 796 00:28:37,244 --> 00:28:39,644 PDF, where the PDF skill will create, read, 797 00:28:39,644 --> 00:28:41,345 and manipulate PDF documents. 798 00:28:41,725 --> 00:28:43,825 Has the same thing for Word, Excel, 799 00:28:44,285 --> 00:28:47,025 calendar management. So if you're trying to recreate 800 00:28:47,164 --> 00:28:49,730 some of these, there's a lot of these 801 00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:50,950 there's a lot 802 00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:53,329 of nuances and tweaks that you can make 803 00:28:53,329 --> 00:28:56,049 that are kinda hiding, in my opinion, under 804 00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:57,269 the add attachments. 805 00:28:57,730 --> 00:29:00,309 Not a place that would maybe go look 806 00:29:00,529 --> 00:29:01,589 to add all these 807 00:29:02,105 --> 00:29:04,445 skills in or add these different 808 00:29:04,984 --> 00:29:07,305 options? Missed it. So I'm so used to 809 00:29:07,305 --> 00:29:08,904 when I'm in m three sixty five Copilot. 810 00:29:08,904 --> 00:29:10,184 Like I said, like, you get kinda, like, 811 00:29:10,184 --> 00:29:11,945 in your, like, way of work in these 812 00:29:11,945 --> 00:29:12,445 ecosystems. 813 00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:14,825 Yep. I'm pretty much down to I know 814 00:29:14,825 --> 00:29:16,929 in, like, every chat window that's there, I 815 00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:18,929 can just type a forward slash, and all 816 00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:20,690 my recent documents and everything are there, and 817 00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:22,630 I can just attach my cloud files. So, 818 00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:24,230 like, for me, embarrassingly, 819 00:29:24,609 --> 00:29:26,690 like, I was not inquisitive enough to click 820 00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:29,089 the add attachment button and see that underneath 821 00:29:29,089 --> 00:29:30,690 there. So so, like, that whole set of 822 00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:31,865 skills is 823 00:29:32,964 --> 00:29:35,125 interesting, and I kinda ran into this when 824 00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:36,565 we were going through and planning and reading 825 00:29:36,565 --> 00:29:38,565 the documentation, stuff like that. But some of 826 00:29:38,565 --> 00:29:40,804 these skills that are there, like, there's an 827 00:29:40,804 --> 00:29:43,605 email skill. Bet you that ties back directly 828 00:29:43,605 --> 00:29:45,525 to that that other Right. That that other 829 00:29:45,525 --> 00:29:47,339 prompt that's up there. And maybe, like, the 830 00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:48,700 thing I'm gonna have to go and play 831 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:49,919 with this next week 832 00:29:50,299 --> 00:29:51,579 after the weekend and get in there and 833 00:29:51,579 --> 00:29:52,960 play with it, is 834 00:29:53,259 --> 00:29:55,039 I didn't realize that you could create 835 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,539 custom skills as well. Yes. So so so 836 00:29:58,539 --> 00:30:00,140 that's very interesting to me. Like, I would 837 00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:01,634 actually like, I I don't know if you 838 00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:02,835 can do this because you're in there right 839 00:30:02,835 --> 00:30:04,914 now. Can you take any of the co 840 00:30:04,914 --> 00:30:06,515 work skills that are there, like the email 841 00:30:06,515 --> 00:30:08,355 skill? Can you go grab, like, the markdown 842 00:30:08,355 --> 00:30:09,875 for that and then be able to edit 843 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,634 it and make your own email skill? Or 844 00:30:11,634 --> 00:30:13,779 you just gotta start from scratch? I don't 845 00:30:13,779 --> 00:30:15,319 know. Let me go see 846 00:30:15,859 --> 00:30:18,900 because so I'm gonna go look somewhere because 847 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,339 you're right. You have all these skills that 848 00:30:20,339 --> 00:30:21,859 are in there, and then you have your 849 00:30:21,859 --> 00:30:22,839 custom skill 850 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:25,994 and where are those custom skills, Scott? Because 851 00:30:25,994 --> 00:30:27,434 we looked at this. I would because I 852 00:30:27,434 --> 00:30:29,275 saw this. I saw, like, custom skills starting 853 00:30:29,275 --> 00:30:30,654 to pop up, and I'm like, 854 00:30:31,115 --> 00:30:33,355 So I can have custom skills, but I 855 00:30:33,595 --> 00:30:35,434 where are they? Which led me to the 856 00:30:35,434 --> 00:30:35,934 documentation. 857 00:30:36,714 --> 00:30:38,255 Imagine that. I read documentation. 858 00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:41,500 Here we are back at the beginning. Yeah. 859 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:42,859 So they just live in your they live 860 00:30:42,859 --> 00:30:45,820 in your OneDrive. Yeah. So specifically in your 861 00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:46,880 documents folder, 862 00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,680 you can create a subfolder for co work 863 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:52,460 and then a skills subfolder under that. So 864 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:52,960 effectively, 865 00:30:53,355 --> 00:30:55,595 forward slash documents, forward slash co work, forward 866 00:30:55,595 --> 00:30:57,934 slash skills. And then within that folder, 867 00:30:58,234 --> 00:31:01,035 same thing, subfolder per skill. So the example 868 00:31:01,035 --> 00:31:03,355 in the docs is just weekly report. And 869 00:31:03,355 --> 00:31:05,054 then within that folder, 870 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,500 a skill dot 871 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,559 md, which is really cool. Like, at least 872 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,039 they're not, like, reinventing the ecosystem. Like, they're 873 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,920 just using markdown here. And now the immediate 874 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,039 thought I had as I was going through 875 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,240 this, I'm gonna have to play around a 876 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,799 bunch next week, is I do have some, 877 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,305 like, skills that today, I run-in things like 878 00:31:22,305 --> 00:31:23,445 Copilot CLI. 879 00:31:23,904 --> 00:31:25,664 And like I said, they're all hooked up. 880 00:31:25,664 --> 00:31:28,644 They have access to these MCP servers, WorkIQ, 881 00:31:29,025 --> 00:31:31,265 and Azure DevOps, and kinda kind of all 882 00:31:31,265 --> 00:31:32,785 the tools that I need that are out 883 00:31:32,785 --> 00:31:34,650 there and available. So I might have to 884 00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:36,009 take a couple of those and pop them 885 00:31:36,009 --> 00:31:37,309 over and just see, like, 886 00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:40,490 where the friction is in the modality difference 887 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:40,990 between 888 00:31:41,369 --> 00:31:43,690 can't interact with my local desktop anymore, but 889 00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:46,490 can interact with can interact with certainly files 890 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:47,934 in OneDrive. I think it's gonna be a 891 00:31:47,934 --> 00:31:51,234 real limiter in that there's no MCP connectivity 892 00:31:51,615 --> 00:31:54,734 inside m three sixty five Copilot, which means 893 00:31:54,734 --> 00:31:57,295 there's no MCP connectivity within m three sixty 894 00:31:57,295 --> 00:32:00,150 five Copilot co work either. So you're kinda 895 00:32:00,549 --> 00:32:02,470 baked in with the set of connectivity that's 896 00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:04,789 there and kind of boxed in and gated 897 00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:06,009 by just 898 00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:09,430 what they offer there today. So I couldn't 899 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:10,789 extend it with, say, like like in my 900 00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:12,230 world, one of the things, like I have 901 00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:12,809 a skill 902 00:32:13,164 --> 00:32:14,704 that goes out and 903 00:32:15,005 --> 00:32:16,684 kind of very similar to their example in 904 00:32:16,684 --> 00:32:19,164 the docs, creates my weekly report, but it's 905 00:32:19,164 --> 00:32:21,884 not based off of just my inbox. It's 906 00:32:21,884 --> 00:32:22,944 based off of 907 00:32:23,244 --> 00:32:25,740 things like things like Azure DevOps where we're 908 00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:28,299 tracking work items and work item management or 909 00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:31,039 like GitHub projects and things like that. So 910 00:32:31,099 --> 00:32:33,019 it's a little bit of a limiting factor, 911 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:34,619 but I'm I'm gonna have to go play 912 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:36,619 around, I think, with some of those and 913 00:32:36,619 --> 00:32:38,779 see. But, like, I think the real power 914 00:32:38,779 --> 00:32:39,599 there becomes 915 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:40,480 that 916 00:32:41,285 --> 00:32:44,345 much like you've had access to scheduled prompts, 917 00:32:44,484 --> 00:32:45,845 so you can do the same thing here 918 00:32:45,845 --> 00:32:47,845 in m three sixty five Copilot Cowork. You 919 00:32:47,845 --> 00:32:50,724 can absolutely schedule your prompts. But because they 920 00:32:50,724 --> 00:32:52,484 also have access to that set of skills 921 00:32:52,484 --> 00:32:55,384 that are baked in, PDF, Excel, Word, email, 922 00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:57,049 enterprise research, 923 00:32:57,509 --> 00:33:00,390 enterprise search, deep research, calendar management, all that 924 00:33:00,390 --> 00:33:02,309 stuff, and then extending with your own skills, 925 00:33:02,309 --> 00:33:04,230 well, like, that could be a pretty powerful 926 00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:04,730 thing. 927 00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:09,509 You're out of time. Copilot needs to be 928 00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:12,684 deployed ASAP, but is your tenant really ready 929 00:33:12,684 --> 00:33:15,825 for it? Years of data, permissions, and users 930 00:33:16,044 --> 00:33:18,544 lurk in its shadows, ready to be exposed 931 00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:19,424 by AI. 932 00:33:19,724 --> 00:33:22,524 Sharegate Protect sees it all, so you can 933 00:33:22,524 --> 00:33:25,590 find the exposure risks, fix them fast, and 934 00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:27,369 deploy AI with confidence. 935 00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:28,170 Microsoft 936 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:31,750 three sixty five governance. We got this. Learn 937 00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:36,009 more at sharegate.com/governance. 938 00:33:39,055 --> 00:33:41,315 I did go look while you were talking, 939 00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:41,875 and 940 00:33:42,414 --> 00:33:45,694 I cannot find a way to see the 941 00:33:45,694 --> 00:33:46,194 markdown 942 00:33:46,575 --> 00:33:49,535 or whatever they're using for those skills that 943 00:33:49,535 --> 00:33:51,615 they have built in. I have the folder 944 00:33:51,615 --> 00:33:54,009 in OneDrive. If I go to that folder, 945 00:33:54,390 --> 00:33:55,690 files that are created 946 00:33:56,069 --> 00:33:57,529 as a part of 947 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:59,769 a chat conversation 948 00:34:00,309 --> 00:34:00,809 in 949 00:34:01,190 --> 00:34:04,250 Cowork are stored there. So it will generate 950 00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:06,434 output if you ask it to create a 951 00:34:06,434 --> 00:34:08,135 file or a PowerPoint presentation 952 00:34:08,434 --> 00:34:08,934 or 953 00:34:09,315 --> 00:34:12,114 anything like that. It gets you'll see it 954 00:34:12,114 --> 00:34:14,594 in the details about your chat conversation, but 955 00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:16,434 then that's where that file will live after 956 00:34:16,434 --> 00:34:18,534 the fact too. I would say not 957 00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:21,929 necessarily super easy to navigate to because it's 958 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:23,929 under the documents co work, but then it's 959 00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:24,429 sessions. 960 00:34:24,809 --> 00:34:27,469 And the session folder under there is 961 00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:29,929 a GUID. So you have to know the 962 00:34:29,929 --> 00:34:31,849 GUID for your session if you're looking for 963 00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:33,535 the file or you search. And then once 964 00:34:33,535 --> 00:34:34,815 you go into there, then you have, like, 965 00:34:34,815 --> 00:34:37,295 your output folder. Yeah. See, you fire research 966 00:34:37,295 --> 00:34:38,894 your agent off, see if it can figure 967 00:34:38,894 --> 00:34:40,494 out the GUIDs, and then come back in. 968 00:34:40,494 --> 00:34:41,855 There you go. And then map it in. 969 00:34:41,855 --> 00:34:43,614 Yeah. So you get to play with chat 970 00:34:43,614 --> 00:34:46,014 and the other agents and then agent take 971 00:34:46,175 --> 00:34:48,000 But there are no markdown skills in there, 972 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,679 and I haven't found a way in the 973 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,239 UI to, like it'll show me what skill 974 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:52,980 it's using. 975 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,960 And I can pick a skill, but I 976 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,099 can't see anything 977 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:57,139 behind 978 00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:59,360 the scenes of what that was like. Like, 979 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,039 it's hard to do. Like like, my example 980 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:03,184 of organizing my inbox my way, like, I 981 00:35:03,184 --> 00:35:05,525 could go document that. Like, I can absolutely 982 00:35:05,664 --> 00:35:07,425 put that in markdown. But it'd be nice 983 00:35:07,425 --> 00:35:10,144 to see, like, potentially, like, just that system 984 00:35:10,144 --> 00:35:12,625 prompt or, like, how they're calling their underlying 985 00:35:12,625 --> 00:35:14,784 scale or what their underlying scale does just 986 00:35:14,784 --> 00:35:16,224 so you can, like, mock it in and 987 00:35:16,224 --> 00:35:18,869 potentially map it the same way or remap 988 00:35:18,869 --> 00:35:20,409 it over to your workload versus 989 00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:22,389 reinventing the wheel kind of thing. Same thing 990 00:35:22,389 --> 00:35:23,690 for, like, calendar management, 991 00:35:24,389 --> 00:35:26,230 help me prep for my one on one 992 00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:28,069 kind of thing. Like like, I found it 993 00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:30,389 wasn't very good with the helping me prep 994 00:35:30,389 --> 00:35:32,494 for my one on one because 995 00:35:33,034 --> 00:35:35,194 my conversation with my manager for my one 996 00:35:35,194 --> 00:35:36,714 on one isn't just about the work that 997 00:35:36,714 --> 00:35:38,554 I do. It's about the work that my 998 00:35:38,554 --> 00:35:40,234 team does. It's about the work that my 999 00:35:40,234 --> 00:35:40,734 teams 1000 00:35:41,034 --> 00:35:43,514 do. Right? So, like, you can pull, like, 1001 00:35:43,514 --> 00:35:45,674 all my interactions with my manager over the 1002 00:35:45,674 --> 00:35:47,070 course of the week. But over the course 1003 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:49,869 of the week, that's probably, like, 25% 1004 00:35:49,869 --> 00:35:51,890 of what's top of mind for me 1005 00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:53,950 and walking in and where I need to 1006 00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:56,110 be next. So, yeah, I think there are 1007 00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:57,630 some rough edges here, but I'm excited to 1008 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:00,385 go try these custom skill things and 1009 00:36:00,925 --> 00:36:03,324 see how those go. Yeah. In theory, though, 1010 00:36:03,324 --> 00:36:04,545 you could pull in 1011 00:36:05,005 --> 00:36:07,324 chats from your team members. Like, if you 1012 00:36:07,324 --> 00:36:09,425 prepared Yes. If you went and recreated 1013 00:36:10,204 --> 00:36:11,965 the prepare for your meeting instead of using 1014 00:36:11,965 --> 00:36:12,465 theirs 1015 00:36:12,844 --> 00:36:15,619 and pulled in chats from your various team 1016 00:36:15,619 --> 00:36:17,239 members, chats with your manager, 1017 00:36:17,780 --> 00:36:20,340 and all of that, in theory, I think 1018 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,660 you could probably improve that way better than 1019 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:25,140 Microsoft could just because of that knowledge that 1020 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:26,894 you have when you build your skill. I'd 1021 00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:28,175 have to play around with it and see. 1022 00:36:28,175 --> 00:36:30,094 Like, today, from what I've seen, and I 1023 00:36:30,094 --> 00:36:31,614 think it's gonna be a limiting factor here 1024 00:36:31,614 --> 00:36:33,454 as well, is I already tried to create, 1025 00:36:33,454 --> 00:36:35,614 like, declarative agents for these things that that 1026 00:36:35,614 --> 00:36:37,775 have access to my email, my calendar, my 1027 00:36:37,775 --> 00:36:39,775 chats, things like that. I think they're just 1028 00:36:39,775 --> 00:36:42,739 severely limited by the context windows and the 1029 00:36:42,739 --> 00:36:44,339 amount of data that they can pull in 1030 00:36:44,339 --> 00:36:46,739 and reason across Got it. Gonna actually tie 1031 00:36:46,739 --> 00:36:48,500 back together. Yeah. I think if you're somebody 1032 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:51,299 who's, like, working the same things, same area, 1033 00:36:51,299 --> 00:36:53,299 and it can kinda learn a little bit 1034 00:36:53,299 --> 00:36:55,539 or have some memory, great. But I I 1035 00:36:55,539 --> 00:36:58,644 can have hundreds of conversations in teams and 1036 00:36:58,644 --> 00:37:00,244 they're all split brained and all over the 1037 00:37:00,244 --> 00:37:00,744 place. 1038 00:37:01,204 --> 00:37:03,204 Yeah. So somebody could be like, somebody could 1039 00:37:03,204 --> 00:37:05,045 be I've had this happen a lot. Someone's, 1040 00:37:05,045 --> 00:37:06,804 like, emailing me or chatting me about an 1041 00:37:06,804 --> 00:37:09,109 issue for a customer. Yep. But it's not 1042 00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:09,690 actually, like, 1043 00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:11,989 a product area that I own. They just 1044 00:37:11,989 --> 00:37:13,670 know to reach out to me because I'm 1045 00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:16,070 part of this organization and this product. So 1046 00:37:16,070 --> 00:37:17,590 then I have to come back and redirect 1047 00:37:17,590 --> 00:37:18,630 it, and then I end up in these 1048 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:21,210 chats that just run forever for, like, customer 1049 00:37:21,269 --> 00:37:24,215 escalation. But, like, it looks important when, like, 1050 00:37:24,215 --> 00:37:26,215 something comes across and says, oh, you were 1051 00:37:26,215 --> 00:37:27,755 on this, like, high severity 1052 00:37:28,055 --> 00:37:30,795 incident. It's like, well, no. I just connected 1053 00:37:30,934 --> 00:37:32,775 customer who had the incident to the right 1054 00:37:32,775 --> 00:37:35,319 engineering team or things like that. How do 1055 00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:37,000 you filter that out? I just sent you 1056 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,659 an email, Scott. I used the stakeholder comms 1057 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,960 skill, and I said I wanted to communicate 1058 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,480 with you. And it asked me if I 1059 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,639 wanted to communicate about what I wanted to 1060 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,784 communicate about, so I sent the podcast. And 1061 00:37:47,784 --> 00:37:49,784 then it asked what it was. And I 1062 00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:51,385 said a guest or topic idea and then 1063 00:37:51,385 --> 00:37:52,985 to email it to you, and it wrote 1064 00:37:52,985 --> 00:37:54,744 a whole email. Put, like, the to, the 1065 00:37:54,744 --> 00:37:57,144 from, the subject, the whole body of the 1066 00:37:57,144 --> 00:37:58,364 email in, 1067 00:37:58,664 --> 00:38:01,385 like, essentially, in a window inside of the 1068 00:38:01,385 --> 00:38:03,289 chat, and I just hit send and sent 1069 00:38:03,289 --> 00:38:04,969 you the email. So some of that I 1070 00:38:04,969 --> 00:38:06,329 tend to see if it's still cool. Active 1071 00:38:06,329 --> 00:38:08,650 windows. I think it it is nifty. Like, 1072 00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:10,090 that one's probably not a ton of friction, 1073 00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:12,650 but now try imagine triaging your inbox with 1074 00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:14,170 the 40 things that it's in here. You're 1075 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:15,949 trying to click each little drop down. 1076 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:17,804 No. Don't do this with this one moving 1077 00:38:17,804 --> 00:38:19,964 over here kinda thing. Let's see. What else 1078 00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:22,125 can we chat about with coworkers? So we 1079 00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:23,744 talked we kinda opened with 1080 00:38:24,204 --> 00:38:25,264 how Claude coworkers 1081 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,045 in similar but different and what some of 1082 00:38:28,045 --> 00:38:30,300 those modalities were and some of those feature 1083 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,219 differences, it's probably worth talking about a little 1084 00:38:32,219 --> 00:38:35,260 bit about, like, how Copilot chat and how 1085 00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:38,700 Copilot co work are also different because you're 1086 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,019 ultimately, like, in a chat interface for both 1087 00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:42,764 of them. So I think as a user 1088 00:38:42,824 --> 00:38:44,344 or somebody who's getting started with it, you 1089 00:38:44,344 --> 00:38:46,744 kinda look at it and go, Like, what 1090 00:38:46,744 --> 00:38:49,304 is this thing? So co work is gonna 1091 00:38:49,304 --> 00:38:51,244 fill that niche of 1092 00:38:51,704 --> 00:38:54,699 being able to do multistep work. So not 1093 00:38:54,699 --> 00:38:56,480 only go read my inbox, 1094 00:38:56,860 --> 00:38:59,679 not only categorize my inbox, but then also 1095 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,300 provide me the ability to actually take action 1096 00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,199 on it, kind of category by category or 1097 00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:07,534 things like that. You can work across 1098 00:39:07,914 --> 00:39:10,474 multiple applications because of the skills that are 1099 00:39:10,474 --> 00:39:13,614 there. So having access to, like, a Word, 1100 00:39:13,835 --> 00:39:14,335 Excel, 1101 00:39:14,795 --> 00:39:17,114 PDF skill, things like that. So you can 1102 00:39:17,114 --> 00:39:18,635 kind of work with it in maybe I 1103 00:39:18,635 --> 00:39:20,340 would think of it as, like, notebook mode. 1104 00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:21,860 Like, let me bring a bunch of artifacts 1105 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,300 in and then have it generate a new 1106 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,539 artifact based on those and have it come 1107 00:39:25,539 --> 00:39:26,519 out the other side. 1108 00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:28,660 Because it's we talked about some of the 1109 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:31,219 scheduling things, all that. It means you get 1110 00:39:31,219 --> 00:39:34,680 more like asynchronous or autonomous, I guess, execution 1111 00:39:35,155 --> 00:39:37,155 versus just having to sit and wait for 1112 00:39:37,155 --> 00:39:39,095 a chat, which is kinda synchronous 1113 00:39:39,474 --> 00:39:39,974 and 1114 00:39:40,355 --> 00:39:41,815 right in front of you. 1115 00:39:42,195 --> 00:39:42,695 And, 1116 00:39:43,075 --> 00:39:44,434 yeah, I think we talked about, like, the 1117 00:39:44,434 --> 00:39:46,994 action stuff and the kinda connectivity and what's 1118 00:39:46,994 --> 00:39:49,315 there. So you kinda got chat sitting there. 1119 00:39:49,315 --> 00:39:50,880 Hey. These are my quick one offs 1120 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:53,779 and or just single part workflows, 1121 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,420 and then you've got coworkers sitting there with 1122 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,579 longer autonomous execution 1123 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,579 and multipart workflows. 1124 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,460 Yeah. 1125 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,945 If you're managing file storage today, you've probably 1126 00:40:06,005 --> 00:40:08,724 felt the pressure. Refresh cycles are harder to 1127 00:40:08,724 --> 00:40:12,164 plan, costs and complexity are increasing, especially as 1128 00:40:12,164 --> 00:40:14,265 file workloads scale across regions. 1129 00:40:14,565 --> 00:40:17,925 That's why Microsoft customers trust Nasuni. 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I would typically bundle, like, a 1151 00:41:11,045 --> 00:41:13,089 bunch of Word documents together, and then I 1152 00:41:13,089 --> 00:41:14,869 would say, help me generate a report. 1153 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:15,909 And ultimately, 1154 00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:18,690 all chat does is spit back a bunch 1155 00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:20,530 of text to me that kinda, like, breaks 1156 00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:21,889 in the window, and you can't figure it 1157 00:41:21,889 --> 00:41:22,929 out. You can't do what you do what 1158 00:41:22,929 --> 00:41:24,849 you need to. Co work can actually go 1159 00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:26,769 that extra step and use things like the 1160 00:41:26,769 --> 00:41:28,734 PDF or the PowerPoint skill. And it's a 1161 00:41:28,734 --> 00:41:31,155 little bit more I don't wanna say deterministic. 1162 00:41:31,375 --> 00:41:33,614 It's just better at, like, generating those outputs 1163 00:41:33,614 --> 00:41:35,534 based on the set of inputs that you 1164 00:41:35,534 --> 00:41:37,214 give it. So when you think about having 1165 00:41:37,214 --> 00:41:41,130 access to, like, a deep research skill, So, 1166 00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:44,010 sure, there's research agent over here or there's 1167 00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:46,489 this deep researcher over here. They're gonna, like, 1168 00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:48,650 on the tin, look very similar, but one's 1169 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:50,589 gonna give you a different set of outputs 1170 00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:53,049 versus the other. So back to, like, you 1171 00:41:53,049 --> 00:41:54,730 gotta think about, like, right tool for the 1172 00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:56,694 right job kind of thing. Once you kinda 1173 00:41:56,694 --> 00:41:58,375 get into that, you can figure out where 1174 00:41:58,375 --> 00:41:59,974 you need to be. But Yep. You still 1175 00:41:59,974 --> 00:42:00,934 have to know where you need to be 1176 00:42:00,934 --> 00:42:02,614 upfront. Right. It can continues to be one 1177 00:42:02,614 --> 00:42:04,054 of the problems with with all this AI 1178 00:42:04,054 --> 00:42:06,315 stuff. It's just Yeah. Because the mental overhead. 1179 00:42:06,614 --> 00:42:08,375 Right. With co work, when I would I 1180 00:42:08,375 --> 00:42:09,179 generated a 1181 00:42:09,659 --> 00:42:11,579 company research. It gives me the option. Do 1182 00:42:11,579 --> 00:42:12,780 you wanna email it? Do you wanna create 1183 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,139 a Word document? Do you wanna do all 1184 00:42:14,139 --> 00:42:16,239 this? Copilot chat, it's just like 1185 00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:18,859 just spits everything out. Prepare for meeting with 1186 00:42:18,859 --> 00:42:20,619 something similar. It's like, what topics are we 1187 00:42:20,619 --> 00:42:22,059 gonna talk about? Do you want me to 1188 00:42:22,059 --> 00:42:24,219 create a PowerPoint presentation that you can use 1189 00:42:24,219 --> 00:42:25,684 for the meeting? A lot 1190 00:42:26,144 --> 00:42:29,184 more interactive and work focused versus the chat 1191 00:42:29,184 --> 00:42:30,324 would just yeah. 1192 00:42:30,704 --> 00:42:34,085 Having a conversation with somebody versus generating tangible 1193 00:42:34,785 --> 00:42:38,199 outputs, maybe. Mhmm. Yeah. So Yeah. It's yet 1194 00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,619 another thing to add to the list. Right? 1195 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,160 And and go play around with a little 1196 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,320 bit. Yeah. I'm absolutely gonna play around with 1197 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,559 it. I am still absolutely missing. I would 1198 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,640 love to see, to your point earlier, them 1199 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,880 add the ability to tie an MCP servers 1200 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,335 to this somehow. I still feel like that's 1201 00:42:54,335 --> 00:42:55,155 a big 1202 00:42:55,534 --> 00:42:57,934 gap between It it would just unlock so 1203 00:42:57,934 --> 00:42:59,855 much. I I use them all the time. 1204 00:42:59,855 --> 00:43:02,494 Like, I am in my role and for 1205 00:43:02,494 --> 00:43:04,755 what I do, I'm dead in the water 1206 00:43:05,054 --> 00:43:05,554 without 1207 00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:08,829 Azure DevOps and without the the fabric 1208 00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:11,849 slash Kusto MCP. Like, I very much need 1209 00:43:11,849 --> 00:43:13,769 those two things. I use I use them 1210 00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:15,610 all day in my job. Therefore, I need 1211 00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:17,864 access to them through these kinds of tools. 1212 00:43:18,025 --> 00:43:19,704 So having the ability to do that without 1213 00:43:19,704 --> 00:43:21,784 having to go and create my own agent 1214 00:43:21,784 --> 00:43:24,744 and connect into Foundry and then, like, yes, 1215 00:43:24,744 --> 00:43:25,945 you can go down that path and you 1216 00:43:25,945 --> 00:43:27,784 can do those things, but, yeah, not the 1217 00:43:27,784 --> 00:43:30,184 most fun path to go down when you're 1218 00:43:30,184 --> 00:43:32,684 just looking to get something done quickly. 1219 00:43:33,099 --> 00:43:34,139 Yeah. And even if you went in and 1220 00:43:34,139 --> 00:43:35,579 created your own agent right now, I don't 1221 00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:37,819 think you could pull those MCP servers into 1222 00:43:37,819 --> 00:43:39,420 co work with it. You could go create 1223 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:41,659 an agent. Maybe you could recreate co work 1224 00:43:41,659 --> 00:43:43,579 with MCP servers, but not at all. Well, 1225 00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:45,019 I'd have to go into Foundry, and then 1226 00:43:45,019 --> 00:43:47,039 I'd have to use Foundry tools and connectors 1227 00:43:47,179 --> 00:43:50,295 that are there. Again, different ecosystem, different language. 1228 00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:53,015 Like, it's just hard. Right? Like and I 1229 00:43:53,015 --> 00:43:55,175 get this stuff takes time, but, oh, man. 1230 00:43:55,175 --> 00:43:56,934 I think you just, like, unlock so much 1231 00:43:56,934 --> 00:43:58,394 if you made Copilot, 1232 00:43:58,775 --> 00:44:01,109 like, a local app that had access to 1233 00:44:01,109 --> 00:44:02,730 MCP servers. Yeah. 1234 00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:05,690 Well, they're redoing Windows 11 this year. Right? 1235 00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:08,150 Massive changes to Windows 11 to make it 1236 00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:09,690 better and faster and 1237 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:12,549 less web app heavy and more native apps 1238 00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:12,949 and 1239 00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:14,864 Yep. Maybe we'll get, 1240 00:44:15,585 --> 00:44:17,664 better Copilot app as part of that. I'm 1241 00:44:17,664 --> 00:44:19,344 not holding my breath. We'll see. I think 1242 00:44:19,344 --> 00:44:21,344 there's a bunch, like, the OS vendors can 1243 00:44:21,344 --> 00:44:22,164 do to 1244 00:44:23,344 --> 00:44:25,505 improve the space. May may maybe we'll close 1245 00:44:25,505 --> 00:44:26,625 on this one, like, this will be, like, 1246 00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:28,739 our after hours chat here. So, hey, thanks 1247 00:44:28,739 --> 00:44:30,739 for sticking around everybody. That was that was 1248 00:44:30,739 --> 00:44:31,239 coworkers 1249 00:44:31,699 --> 00:44:33,699 with coworkers and all that. Yeah. We went 1250 00:44:33,699 --> 00:44:36,019 long today, Scott. Yeah. We did. I I 1251 00:44:36,019 --> 00:44:37,059 gotta give you one of my, like, my 1252 00:44:37,059 --> 00:44:38,739 pet peeves before I leave, and maybe you 1253 00:44:38,739 --> 00:44:40,179 can solve this for me and make me, 1254 00:44:40,179 --> 00:44:41,880 like, be able to sleep over the weekend. 1255 00:44:42,224 --> 00:44:42,724 So 1256 00:44:43,105 --> 00:44:44,545 what was it? This week, last week? I 1257 00:44:44,545 --> 00:44:46,545 forget. It all flies by. Gemma four came 1258 00:44:46,545 --> 00:44:47,525 out, the new 1259 00:44:47,905 --> 00:44:50,945 model, the multimodal re reasoning model from Google. 1260 00:44:50,945 --> 00:44:52,305 So that came out with a couple different 1261 00:44:52,305 --> 00:44:53,825 modes. It came out with, I think, a 1262 00:44:53,825 --> 00:44:56,785 2,000,000,000 parameter, a 4,000,000,000 parameter, and a 26,000,000,000 1263 00:44:56,785 --> 00:44:57,285 parameter. 1264 00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:58,130 So 1265 00:44:58,429 --> 00:44:58,929 immediately, 1266 00:44:59,389 --> 00:45:00,049 a bunch 1267 00:45:00,670 --> 00:45:01,889 of application developers 1268 00:45:03,069 --> 00:45:05,389 kinda slurp this up and said, oh, this 1269 00:45:05,389 --> 00:45:06,989 is awesome. Like, I can get, like, a 1270 00:45:06,989 --> 00:45:09,809 2,000,000,000 parameter model that can run on things 1271 00:45:09,965 --> 00:45:12,684 like an iPhone or an Android device or 1272 00:45:12,684 --> 00:45:14,704 your tablet or your computer and all that. 1273 00:45:14,764 --> 00:45:16,925 So for me, I have like, let me 1274 00:45:16,925 --> 00:45:18,625 give you the use case. So I have 1275 00:45:18,844 --> 00:45:20,704 several applications on my computer 1276 00:45:21,085 --> 00:45:22,144 that all use 1277 00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:23,230 underlying 1278 00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:26,010 local models that have been downloaded, like the 1279 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:28,730 model weights, either MLX or g g u 1280 00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:30,569 s that are out there, but now they're 1281 00:45:30,569 --> 00:45:32,170 all using the same one. So I use 1282 00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:34,109 this really cool app called Coteypist, 1283 00:45:34,815 --> 00:45:35,315 which 1284 00:45:35,855 --> 00:45:38,815 does basically, like, tries to complete your sentences 1285 00:45:38,815 --> 00:45:40,094 for you as you're typing them on the 1286 00:45:40,094 --> 00:45:40,594 keyboard. 1287 00:45:40,894 --> 00:45:42,815 And it's super nifty and super cool, lets 1288 00:45:42,815 --> 00:45:44,574 you pick your model that you wanna use 1289 00:45:44,574 --> 00:45:46,414 in there, and they added Gemma to that. 1290 00:45:46,414 --> 00:45:48,094 So I'm like, okay, cool. I'm gonna get 1291 00:45:48,094 --> 00:45:49,295 off Quinn, and I'm gonna go to a 1292 00:45:49,295 --> 00:45:52,469 Gemma. So I go grab the GEMMA 4,000,000,000 1293 00:45:52,469 --> 00:45:54,550 parameter model, which is about five and a 1294 00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:57,190 half, six gigs. K? Okay. So no no 1295 00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:58,550 problem. I got five and a half, six 1296 00:45:58,550 --> 00:46:00,550 gigs of free space. I'll delete that GEMMA 1297 00:46:00,550 --> 00:46:01,910 model that was taking up three and a 1298 00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:03,349 half, four gigs, and and I'll make a 1299 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:05,445 little bit of room. But then I also 1300 00:46:05,445 --> 00:46:06,664 had a need to 1301 00:46:07,364 --> 00:46:09,285 hook up I I was doing a little 1302 00:46:09,285 --> 00:46:10,565 thing on the side trying to play around 1303 00:46:10,565 --> 00:46:13,285 with, like, local LLMs and so with quad 1304 00:46:13,285 --> 00:46:16,585 code. So I took LM Studio, 1305 00:46:16,965 --> 00:46:19,364 which is, similar to, like, Oh, Llama. Like, 1306 00:46:19,364 --> 00:46:21,539 Hey, go download the model. So downloaded the 1307 00:46:21,539 --> 00:46:23,780 same exact model. Now I have two copies 1308 00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:25,219 of it because it lives in two different 1309 00:46:25,219 --> 00:46:27,300 apps. Because it's, like, bundled with the app 1310 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,140 and in, like, an app bundle. And so 1311 00:46:29,219 --> 00:46:32,019 and recently, I ran into, this week, a 1312 00:46:32,019 --> 00:46:32,760 third one 1313 00:46:33,155 --> 00:46:35,094 that I also use where 1314 00:46:35,394 --> 00:46:37,074 it I can see I can't even select 1315 00:46:37,074 --> 00:46:39,155 the model. It's baked into the app just 1316 00:46:39,155 --> 00:46:40,835 as part of the functionality of it. So, 1317 00:46:40,835 --> 00:46:42,675 like, the app bundles are, like, blowing up 1318 00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:45,074 in size. So I like, I was complaining 1319 00:46:45,074 --> 00:46:46,675 to somebody at work about this. Like, the 1320 00:46:46,675 --> 00:46:49,809 OS vendors, I think, really need to carve 1321 00:46:49,809 --> 00:46:50,710 out a space 1322 00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:52,949 for application developers 1323 00:46:53,489 --> 00:46:56,130 to host model weights, like, to download, like, 1324 00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:57,730 all those h e g u f or 1325 00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:59,750 in the case of, like, Apple Silicon, MLX2, 1326 00:47:00,515 --> 00:47:02,355 and store it side by side. So if 1327 00:47:02,355 --> 00:47:05,074 I've already downloaded the QEN or the general 1328 00:47:05,074 --> 00:47:07,635 4,000,000,000 parameter model Don't download it again. And 1329 00:47:07,635 --> 00:47:10,035 tie into the existing one. Gigs of space, 1330 00:47:10,035 --> 00:47:11,555 I should just have that five and a 1331 00:47:11,555 --> 00:47:12,375 half, whatever, 1332 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,179 once and let everybody 1333 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,159 read out of it and have it come 1334 00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:19,380 together. It's been killing me because, like like, 1335 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,019 my Mac has a terabyte hard drive, 1336 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,239 generally big enough. I am running out of 1337 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,639 space constantly over the last couple weeks because 1338 00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,324 of this. Like, as these new things are 1339 00:47:28,324 --> 00:47:30,405 coming, they're being pitched out there free, open 1340 00:47:30,405 --> 00:47:32,804 source, like Gemma four. They're just getting integrated 1341 00:47:32,804 --> 00:47:34,885 into everything, and it's blowing it up. I'm 1342 00:47:34,885 --> 00:47:36,324 starting to notice the same thing on my 1343 00:47:36,324 --> 00:47:39,224 phone, like, where you have even, like, less 1344 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,219 head less headroom, yeah, to go ahead and 1345 00:47:42,219 --> 00:47:44,219 do that. So I do think, like, the 1346 00:47:44,219 --> 00:47:46,380 OS vendors need to solve for that space, 1347 00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:48,059 and they should also start to kind of 1348 00:47:48,059 --> 00:47:50,880 think about, like, the new world of agentic 1349 00:47:51,019 --> 00:47:54,525 workflows and surfacing things like local MCPs. So, 1350 00:47:54,525 --> 00:47:56,204 like, in Windows land, a lot of that 1351 00:47:56,204 --> 00:47:58,125 stuff's been around like, oh, hey, we'll have 1352 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,605 an MCP for file explorer. Yep. I I 1353 00:48:00,605 --> 00:48:02,445 think Apple should do the same thing on 1354 00:48:02,445 --> 00:48:05,744 macOS, just have a local file system MCP 1355 00:48:05,965 --> 00:48:08,969 with its own guardrails, security model, any authentication 1356 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:10,969 it needs, those kinds of things. 1357 00:48:11,269 --> 00:48:13,030 So, yeah, my so so my pet peeve, 1358 00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:14,710 like I said this week, is I got 1359 00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:16,710 all this cool functionality that's coming into all 1360 00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:18,869 these apps because now it's kind of like, 1361 00:48:18,869 --> 00:48:21,144 quote unquote, free for developers to do, but 1362 00:48:21,144 --> 00:48:22,825 it's leading to just like me For the 1363 00:48:22,825 --> 00:48:24,664 infrastructure space. How to solve that one, I 1364 00:48:24,664 --> 00:48:26,105 would love to do it. Other than me 1365 00:48:26,105 --> 00:48:28,345 hunting down a remodel and creating creating like 1366 00:48:28,345 --> 00:48:30,425 sim links and trying to figure out, like, 1367 00:48:30,425 --> 00:48:32,105 what the canonical place I wanna store it 1368 00:48:32,105 --> 00:48:33,864 is. And some of these applications don't like 1369 00:48:33,864 --> 00:48:35,224 the the they don't like the sim link 1370 00:48:35,224 --> 00:48:37,280 thing, so it doesn't always work. I don't 1371 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,400 know that I'm gonna let you sleep over 1372 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,159 the weekend. I don't have a solution. I'm 1373 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:42,559 not an OS developer. You you just you're 1374 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:43,839 just like, hey, Scott. Be like me. You 1375 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:45,359 just go grab a four terabyte or an 1376 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:46,900 eight terabyte Mac, and you'll be done. 1377 00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:49,119 No. Because you can't buy those anymore because 1378 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,039 we have no more storage that's available to 1379 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,255 buy anywhere ever again. This is true too. 1380 00:48:54,875 --> 00:48:57,994 We are out of technology. Technology is sold 1381 00:48:57,994 --> 00:49:00,394 out, Scott. That is an interesting problem, though, 1382 00:49:00,394 --> 00:49:02,155 but I do agree. You just need to 1383 00:49:02,155 --> 00:49:04,394 be able to download the model once and 1384 00:49:04,394 --> 00:49:05,535 somehow recognize 1385 00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:08,050 you know what that gets away from, though. 1386 00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:10,789 It gets away from Apple's home whole model 1387 00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:12,769 of that's how Windows ended up the mess 1388 00:49:12,769 --> 00:49:14,530 it is. Right? Because they wanted to have 1389 00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:17,489 shared libraries that these applications can all leverage 1390 00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:18,230 shared libraries. 1391 00:49:18,704 --> 00:49:19,204 MacOS 1392 00:49:19,825 --> 00:49:22,144 said, no. That's stupid. We're gonna make everything 1393 00:49:22,144 --> 00:49:25,344 in a self contained package. Yep. So here 1394 00:49:25,344 --> 00:49:27,744 we are now wanting Apple to be more 1395 00:49:27,744 --> 00:49:30,085 like Microsoft is essentially what you just said. 1396 00:49:30,144 --> 00:49:31,744 Yeah. To to a certain degree. So but 1397 00:49:31,744 --> 00:49:33,639 I think it does make sense. We'll see 1398 00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:35,880 who gets there. Right? I think there's it's 1399 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,800 just more of that continuum as these things 1400 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,039 start to get adopted. Like, I wouldn't be 1401 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:41,260 surprised if 1402 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,360 six months from now, like, the majority of 1403 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:44,860 applications 1404 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,644 that have things like text inputs or take 1405 00:49:48,644 --> 00:49:51,764 voice inputs or do, like, computer vision on 1406 00:49:51,764 --> 00:49:53,444 top of these things, like, if they don't 1407 00:49:53,444 --> 00:49:55,444 just start to really, like, glom on to 1408 00:49:55,444 --> 00:49:58,164 things like Gemma four and the and these 1409 00:49:58,164 --> 00:50:00,804 OSS things that are out there because, like, 1410 00:50:00,804 --> 00:50:03,079 they just work, and they're free, and they're 1411 00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,480 licensable. Like like, they're just in the right 1412 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,719 right right place at the right time. So 1413 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,320 we'll see what vendors do. But like I 1414 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,840 said, if anybody's got a creative way to 1415 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,079 solve this one, and don't come back to 1416 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,840 me if I answer SIM links because that 1417 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,464 doesn't work for all of them. I I 1418 00:50:16,464 --> 00:50:17,984 would love to hear it because maybe I'm 1419 00:50:17,984 --> 00:50:20,224 missing something. Alright. And reach out to Scott 1420 00:50:20,224 --> 00:50:22,304 on LinkedIn if you're still listening to the 1421 00:50:22,304 --> 00:50:24,625 after show with Ben and Scott complaining about 1422 00:50:24,625 --> 00:50:25,125 technology 1423 00:50:25,585 --> 00:50:28,224 and solving or solving the world's problems. This 1424 00:50:28,224 --> 00:50:30,405 should be Ben and Scott solving the technology 1425 00:50:30,625 --> 00:50:31,125 problems 1426 00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:32,199 of the world, the 1427 00:50:32,579 --> 00:50:35,079 after show. Alright. The after show. 1428 00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:38,980 Well, with that, it is 90 degrees in 1429 00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:41,380 Florida. Go enjoy your weekend? I don't know. 1430 00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:43,779 It's getting hot already for me. I'm ready 1431 00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:45,619 to go back to the 75, 1432 00:50:45,619 --> 00:50:46,119 80. 1433 00:50:46,625 --> 00:50:48,784 Yeah. It's like that at about 6AM. After 1434 00:50:48,784 --> 00:50:50,784 that, it's it's all off the rails. Yes. 1435 00:50:50,784 --> 00:50:53,025 The gym has still been okay at 05:30 1436 00:50:53,025 --> 00:50:54,964 in the morning, but I'm dreading 1437 00:50:55,505 --> 00:50:58,464 the next several months because this isn't gonna 1438 00:50:58,464 --> 00:50:59,284 last long. 1439 00:50:59,984 --> 00:51:02,389 But enjoy. I will be 1440 00:51:03,010 --> 00:51:04,690 oh, by the time people listen to this, 1441 00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:06,210 the conference will have come and gone. I'm 1442 00:51:06,210 --> 00:51:07,969 headed down to the Microsoft three sixty five 1443 00:51:07,969 --> 00:51:08,949 community conference 1444 00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:11,809 tomorrow, the day after we're recording this, not 1445 00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:13,829 the day after people are listening to this. 1446 00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:16,484 Well, enjoy your conference. Hope you come back 1447 00:51:16,484 --> 00:51:18,804 with some good information. And Alright. We'll see 1448 00:51:18,804 --> 00:51:20,804 you when you're back. Sounds good. Thanks, Scott. 1449 00:51:20,804 --> 00:51:22,565 We'll talk to you later. Yep. Thanks, Ben. 1450 00:51:22,565 --> 00:51:23,464 Have a good one. 1451 00:51:25,364 --> 00:51:27,605 If you enjoyed the podcast, go leave us 1452 00:51:27,605 --> 00:51:29,579 a five star rating in iTunes. It helps 1453 00:51:29,579 --> 00:51:30,079 Thanks 1454 00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:34,480 again 1455 00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:38,880 for 1456 00:51:39,276 --> 00:51:39,776 listening, 1457 00:51:40,172 --> 00:51:40,672 and 1458 00:51:41,068 --> 00:51:41,568 have 1459 00:51:41,963 --> 00:51:42,463 a 1460 00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:45,007 great day. Thanks again for listening, and have 1461 00:51:45,007 --> 00:51:45,827 a great day.

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Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast

Ben Stegink, Scott Hoag

On the MS Cloud IT Pro Podcast, Scott and Ben discuss the Microsoft Cloud with a focus on IT Pros. They'll discuss the latest in Microsoft 365 and Office 365 News, Azure news and talk about their experiences with managing the Microsoft Cloud as well as interview industry experts on various cloud technology. They'll cover things such as SharePoint, Exchange, Microsoft Teams, PowerShell, Azure, Azure AD, Security, Networking, Storage, and the many other technologies and products that have made their way into the Microsoft 365 suite and Azure. To stay up-to-date on the latest in Microsoft Cloud news and gain some valuable knowledge as you deploy it within your own organization, make sure to tune in every week! Find out more at msclouditpropodcast.com.

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