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Mr Eric Almighty and Phil the Filipino yeah, they've got you covered, and all you gotta do is wait for it. This is the Wait For it Podcast.
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Hey everyone, welcome to the Wait For it Podcast. I am your co-host, Phil Barrera, aka Phil the Filipino.
Speaker 1:
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And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and for this episode, we have finally decided to tackle a movie. When it comes to anime or international films around the holidays, specifically Christmas, that is on every list and we're going to be covering Tokyo Godfathers.
Speaker 2:
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finally, on International Feature, yes, we have had this one kind of circled and on the list for, I would say, a couple of years now, probably since we started doing international feature, and it's always when it comes to these older films, especially when it comes to anime, I am always very hesitant and a little afraid to tackle these films.
Speaker 2:
1:20
Just because of my track record so far, specifically, of course, with Studio Ghibli. Just because of my track record so far, specifically, of course, with Studio Ghibli. But this is from a whole different director, eric, who is honestly, probably just as renowned as Miyazaki, even though Satoshi Kon is no longer with us, and to, I think, the detriment of animation everywhere. To give you guys a little, maybe, teaser as to how this episode is going to go, but literally because I watched plenty of videos about this film and every single person just came away with an overwhelming kind of grief that Satoshi Kon is no longer with us because of what he could possibly do in modern day. So excited to break this down with you and talk about this film that I know so many people hold in very, very high regard.
Speaker 1:
2:07
Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up just kind of from the get go, because there are a ton of films here, phil, that are in very, very popular discussions in anime circles. So you've got films here like Paprika, paranoia, agent, perfect Blue, magnetic Rose a film we were supposed to watch for a local library. That never happened. They never called us back, but these are all films.
Speaker 2:
2:34
That's why I felt so familiar.
Speaker 1:
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That hurt Millennium Actress. Another one Paranoia.
Speaker 2:
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Agent, I think is a show too.
Speaker 1:
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Yeah, agent, I think is a show too. Yeah, yeah, so all movies or shows like kind of in that vein of older anime that people hold in very high regard. And, Phil, although we don't know anybody ourselves, well, we do know one person who you can plug here at some point in the episode. We don't really know many people that were talking about Tokyo Godfathers. We don't really know many people that were talking about Tokyo Godfathers, and that seems to be the case outside of many of your top anime or international film Christmas lists, and that's why this kind of kept coming up. So I'm not surprised, phil, that this is the first one that we're going to be seeing from this particular director. But I don't know about you. I might be a little interested to see more, and I don't normally say that about older projects.
Speaker 2:
3:26
Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. So really excited to get into this discussion here. International Future Tokyo Godfathers. If you want to know where you can find the rest of our content, as well as all of our social media pages, make sure you stick around to the end of the episode. We'll cover all of that following all of this. So, eric, let's get into it here. Tokyo Godfathers among the trash and set out to find its parents.
Speaker 2:
4:03
And I'll do this right away because a good friend of ours will probably make an appearance here very soon. You'll probably hear him in the, you know, end of the year awards, which is right around the corner. I want to make sure we plug our buddy, corey, who is the, of course, host of the World Is my Burrito podcast. He will also be covering this film for his podcast this month, as he reached out to me afterwards after seeing the episode list for the month of December. So just so you guys know, in terms of a real, real deep dive into this film, you will be able to get that from Corey, who is just great at what he does. So I wanted to make sure we shout out our friend.
Speaker 2:
4:40
But yeah, eric, let's start here. That was actually one of the questions I wanted to ask you right out of the gate is if you had seen any of satoshi koen's other films. Obviously, like we said, we were supposed to see magnetic rose. That ended up not happening, but was curious as far as your familiarity with his library and you mentioned some of those films there at the top were other than tokyo godfathers. Are these films that you would also you know, just kind of you being the main anime fan here were had kind of circled at one point and then we just happened to tackle tokyo godfathers first?
Speaker 1:
5:12
yeah, that's pretty much how it ran down. I mean, it's a movie that at tokyo godfathers we just kind of kept seeing on list because we were actively looking for it. But again, films like paprika and perfect blue, uh, the show paranoia agent, those are all things that I had definitely heard about quite a bit in anime, anime communities and they're things that I've been interested to watch. But you know, we've had such a mixed bag of jumping into older anime, both of us in much different ways, so it just never happened and I like that.
Speaker 1:
5:49
This again gives us the potential because, for a movie that came out in 2003, in that particular era and that style of animation, I got to say, phil, this film didn't feel that old Like. It felt old but in like that nostalgic type way and not old with films that we've watched on some of these series for the podcast, where we're like that's just, it hasn't aged well. And luckily this movie didn't have that feeling. I thought it looked fairly clean, fairly crisp and, understanding the era that it came out in. You know, giving it that little bit of grace went a long way when it came to enjoying the film for its animation.
Speaker 2:
6:32
Yeah, and I think the term that you're probably looking for and even though it might come off as disrespectful, is dated. Some of these older films that we have watched while in the moment, you know, I think, probably the most the biggest example, of course, will be like Akira, which you know we had very strong feelings about, and watching it in 2023, 2024 is rough. But, yeah, you are correct, this is, I think it's because of a lot of the just really really fantastic, like editing and the storyboard for all this. It's a very, it's a really beautiful film and you know, I connected to it, I think, a lot of ways that probably you did in terms of these main characters. I mean, the runtime is probably what? An hour and a half, which is crazy because I feel like I know so much about these characters in a very, very short runtime. So the fact that they pulled that off, just like you, has left me thinking, okay, we might be onto something here, because we may have to look into more of these films from Satoshi Kon, and I'm glad you did point that out because of when this film came out I believe I saw that it was.
Speaker 2:
7:39
It started in production in 2001,. Released in 2003. It was a very, very historic time for Japan in 2003 in terms of transgender rights. That's a very big topic when it comes to this film and then just make sure you keep in mind, if you have not seen it, you know there are. There is terminology in here that is very representative of the time. So there's some slurs in here that, right in the beginning that really took me off guard and I was like uh-oh.
Speaker 1:
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Yeah, Jordan's favorite movie.
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I was like, oh boy, what's about to happen here? But man, was I pleasantly surprised by this. So did you watch this in sub as well, Because there is a dub out there. I believe that came out in 2020. Yeah, no, I did you watch this in sub as well, Because there is a dub out there. I believe that came out in 2020.
Speaker 1:
8:26
Yeah, no, I did not watch the dub. I watched it in sub and that was specifically because on Amazon Prime it's available to watch with no ads. Well, I have the no ad version of Prime, but you can watch it through Pluto TV whatever that's called with ads and I just wasn't interested in doing that. So, yeah, sub it was.
Speaker 2:
8:47
Yeah, and I will say just again to also promote the transgender representation in this. Hana is voiced by a transgender woman in the dub. So a lot of really good things, a lot of positive things about the dub, so I think you could watch it either way. At the end of the day, I am glad that I watched it in sub and it's like original context and I think you know that would be what I would recommend. But I think again heard good things from both of them.
Speaker 2:
9:13
But yeah, in terms of these three characters, eric, I mean we're uh, obviously the most important part of the film Hana Jin Miyuki, the one of the main reasons this really resonated with me. You know how big we are on Found Family. We spend a lot of time with you know friends that we're incredibly close with, that basically are family now. So that is the kind of one of the main things that holds this film together is, even though they are you know, they're homeless, they have all these different things in their past that have led them to this point when it comes to either broken homes or embarrassment or just bad relationships with their family, like all that stuff is like core and a lot of what, uh, you know personal stuff that I've gone through.
Speaker 1:
9:59
So each one of these characters brought something to the table that I think will resonate with a lot of people yeah, and without getting too far into the story, because for this particular uh series we like to keep things as spoiler free as possible, because we understand a lot of people have not maybe seen this film and, whether we liked it or not, this is one we are featuring, uh for you to potentially check out. So I don't know that we'll have a spoiler section, just can. I mean we might. There's a lot that happens in this movie and we'll kind of get to how the plot moves along. But we'll kind of keep it spoiler free here in the sense that these three particular characters, phil, get fleshed out pretty well, so like they are the bread and butter of this story.
Speaker 1:
10:42
Their dynamic and their relationship with each other and what got them into the predicament that they're in really gets you invested into what's going to happen to each of them and what's going to happen with the story.
Speaker 1:
10:57
That obviously centers around a child you would say a miracle child of sorts, which is just again a nice combination of seeing how they're treated, how the homeless life is. Bringing a child into the mix of all of that and then all of the chaos and insanity that ensues around that entire situation. I think all of those things when thrown into the pot, the recipe there is really strong for a film to be able to have a little bit of a leeway in its plot, when it comes to its story and some of the things that happen. And ultimately, this is your kind of like example of a Christmas movie. I don't know how Christmas it is, we'll kind of talk about that, but it definitely has a lot of the dynamics of your Christmas miracles and things of that nature that I really enjoyed, and you don't let those things slide or you take them more serious if you're not enjoying the characters you're on the journey with. So for that I really thought that worked overall from a story perspective.
Speaker 2:
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Yeah, and this is where this can work in terms of the animation and the fantastical side of things can work in a quote unquote Christmas movie and yeah, I think there is a Christmas movie is like a loose term. You know it's not as loose of a term as me calling Jurassic World a Christmas movie. Not as loose of a term as me calling Jurassic world a Christmas movie. But you know it's like a. You know it's just Christmas is there, but it's not necessarily like the the main point of what is going on. But yeah, to again bring it back to the, the characters, eric, like I said, to know so much about all their backstories in a 90 minute runtime is pretty insane. I mean, they also fit in some solid humor in there and then a lot of really dark stuff as well. So you know, going through it and you know there was, like I said in the beginning, a little worried, not really sure how this is going to go.
Speaker 2:
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These characters are obviously pretty rough, but the director is not shying away from how difficult it is for people out there and even though this is centered in Tokyo, this is not aying away from how difficult it is for people out there and even though this is centered in Tokyo, this is not a story that is unique to just Japan. You know, there are people that are cast off everywhere and that are separated from their families and no longer speak to them. Those are those people exist all over the place. So definitely think this is a solid story for people to watch in 2024. Think this is a solid story for people to watch in 2024 and that's again another marvel era because that it has, even though you know, like we talked about some of the uh, some of the language that is in the movie, it has aged very well in 21 years, which is, again, not something we've been able to say throughout the series no, it's, it's not.
Speaker 1:
13:38
And again, I I really appreciated everything that the film put together and all of those things again make up for some of that datedness of the animation. So that's why I think maybe I'm more forgiving for a film like this when we mention Akira and a couple other films that we have watched where we didn't feel that way. Again, I think you have to have a compelling story and it helps that the movie, while it is touching on many dark themes movies, funny movie was funny. I definitely was chuckling from time to time, so this movie just wasn't telling you to grin and bear it, uh, and you know, really just kind of bite down on the depressing or dark thematics of the film. It really gave you a little bit of hope and it also gave you a little bit of laughter. So I think when it blends all of those different things together again, it just it gives you a good opportunity to enjoy a film at its absolute, fullest potential.
Speaker 1:
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Are there problems with this film? Sure, at its absolute, fullest potential. Are there problems with this film? Sure, but overall, again, a very positive experience and it's a nice change of pace Because when we brought this up finally, I was like please, we're finally watching it. Please don't. We can't both hate it, and I think we both fell pretty closely.
Speaker 2:
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I'm curious where our scores fall, for sure Did you get a little worried at any point while watching it about me, I mean right at the beginning you put it on and immediately it's a much older movie.
Speaker 1:
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Yeah, I went in pretty blind.
Speaker 2:
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It kind of looks like Jingle All the Way, like a grimy Jingle All the Way.
Speaker 1:
15:18
Yeah, yeah, that could work on comparison.
Speaker 2:
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It's much better than Jingle All the Way. But I'm just saying like, in terms of the animation, like as a film?
Speaker 1:
15:28
yeah, as a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2:
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No, oh, no as a Christmas movie Jingle All the Way is definitely.
Speaker 1:
15:33
Yeah, top tier, but no the movie.
Speaker 2:
15:35
We're going to be talking about Santas here pretty soon. Just to give you a little teaser.
Speaker 1:
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Yeah, so very exciting stuff on the uh holiday special there, but I I I think, phil, this was uh again. I can see why uh it's viewed as like a classic and why it does come up on the list that it does come up on. I am curious, was there anything uh again keeping it spoiler free, anything that uh you could critique about the movie? Or maybe just wasn't your cup of tea didn't work for you?
Speaker 2:
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yeah, there isn't really too much, other than the fact that it is being held back a little bit because of the time. You know, I think if this was remade here today, how many improvements could they make in terms of animation and and that's already, as we mentioned, says we already stated this is a beautiful film. Um, I think it just could be made better, uh with the uh with the tools that we have today and based off of the other projects from Satoshi Kon, I mean in terms of, like just a visual spectacle, this seems like it's only scratching the surface. So I think, maybe, in terms of in comparison to his other films, maybe he didn't push the envelope as much as the other, and that's again, that's not necessarily like, that's not even a real critique.
Speaker 2:
16:45
You know, I think maybe some of the stuff in terms of the you know, maybe just one too many Christmas miracles, but like, I think the whole point is like this baby is the miracle and you know he's getting them out of situations, but no, nothing really too nitpicky that I could really think of. I thought the part where they're just walking through the snow and they just come across the man underneath this car was really funny, and then he turns out to be like a pretty popular person, and I won't reveal who that person ends up being. But yeah, like you said, there's a lot of funny moments in here, so and a lot of feel good moments too, so there's not really anything that I can really think of off of the top of my head, um, but it's also not I wouldn't say like it's not going to be like in the top five of the films that we've watched either, but still very, very good yeah, uh, just very curious, because I I wonder where our scores are going to land.
Speaker 1:
17:41
I think for me, some of the things that, uh, I would just caution anyone that's watching it. It's not like it's nothing. I think special in the sense of it's not a fully unique story, it doesn't have anything that you're going to walk away and say, oh, I only really remember that for watching Tokyo Godfathers, like it has very similar themes that you've seen elsewhere. Maybe they were inspired by this film, but by all means, so it's not to say it's not original. But I will say that when I walked away I was like I enjoyed the journey, I went on, but it's not a journey I would like rewatch actively. If it was on, I absolutely would check it out. I highly recommend it. But is it one of those movies that, from its plot, to its characters, to its animation that I think is timeless? No, animation that I think is timeless? No, not necessarily. And those things all add up they're very minor.
Speaker 1:
18:34
Um, I think, upon rewatch, that only leaves room to go up, though, as far as my final score. But there were just again a couple of little things here and there when we talk about the, the movie that I think it could have done a little bit more of, and maybe that includes an additional like 10, 15 minutes to really let us sit with a couple of things, though I appreciated it being only an hour and a half. So there are. You know, there's some give and take there, but I think this movie could have used about 10 to 15 more minutes just to flesh out a couple of more character moments. That really could have maybe made more of an emotional impact. I never really felt emotional with this movie, though I can definitely see someone relating with it a little bit more and having that connection.
Speaker 2:
19:16
Let me ask you this, eric Do you think that your score and your watch through was affected by it being presented as a Christmas movie? I think that's what it was for me, because you know I love Klaus a lot more than you do, but Klaus really made me feel, feel something, just to kind of compare it to something else we've watched on this series. Do you think that had anything to do with it? Because, like, when you're watching a Christmas or a holiday movie, you're expecting it to kind of touch on that like holiday magic, and that is here in terms of like the things that they get out of. But again, it just doesn't feel super.
Speaker 1:
19:51
Christmassy other than the backdrop, as it happens around Christmas time A little bit. That definitely is part of it. I will say that when we go over our scores and I reveal where it is in the international feature rankings, I think it will make a little bit of sense. It's actually perfectly in the middle of two other anime films, which I thought was kind of funny.
Speaker 2:
20:09
Got it, got it. Well, yeah, let's go ahead and transition to the reception to this film, as well as our scores. Rotten Tomatoes no surprises here 92%. Tomatometer score 91% audience score so very, very high A 4.2 on Letterboxd and a 7.8 on IMDb. It's really strange that IMDb seems to be the most harsh rating when it comes to any film, not even just this, so those always seem a little bit lower than they are everywhere else.
Speaker 2:
20:40
I ended up giving this a three and a half and just like you, eric, I think maybe after a rewatch and then maybe even watching some of his other films, I could definitely be persuaded that this is a four. I very much enjoyed it. It took me by surprise, you know, just kind of going into this a little worried because of how we've reacted to some of these other older anime films and it impressed me in pretty much every single way. So I understand for sure why this film resonates with so many people, why there are so many YouTube documentaries about it and people telling you how important it is to them and how important it is when it comes to representation, when it comes to these characters. So I ended up giving a three and a half, but, like you, I could definitely see this going up over time.
Speaker 1:
21:23
Yeah, I'm going to echo everything you said right there, because that's exactly where I land. It was a three and a half, because that's exactly where I landed was a three and a half, not quite a four because again I don't know that I would actively seek out someone to watch this movie with me and will I watch it again like a full watch through. I just don't know. But upon another watch through I definitely think that I could end up liking it even more now that I know where the story goes. And that's always a great place to be with a film. A three and a half, very, very respectable score here, especially given again, the time that it came out. I think that definitely has to be mentioned here, my movies, that it actually falls in between.
Speaker 1:
22:03
So this is ranked out of the 26 movies that we have ranked on Letterboxd Ranks at 19. And it's right above Bell because I do believe it's a better story. It's a little bit more impactful in its story but not as impactful as the film that it's under, which is Wolf Children. So in comparison of those two anime films, that's kind of the perfect little sandwich. I really think that Wolf Children had a stronger kind of overall story that it presented in addition to really really good animation Again, nothing spectacular, but we wouldn't necessarily call it dated. Where Tokyo Godfathers is held back a little bit in that department. It has a tight story, not as gripping or maybe as resonating for me, and then much more in both of those categories than Bell. Like, bell has modern animation, but it's nothing special where Tokyo Godfathers has a little bit of that timelessness behind its animation, and story-wise I think Tokyo Godfathers is definitely a stronger package than what Bell offers. So, yeah, that's where my movie, that's where this movie fell for me on my list. What about you, phil?
Speaker 2:
23:17
Yeah, I have this quite a bit higher than you. I also have it right behind Wolf Children at number 14 and in front of Okja. So to kind of give you an idea of where this and remember how many of these films that you have much higher that I do not. It's just like pulling the hair in some of those other movies. So, but yeah, no, I agree with you because, like that's the, the counter argument to what I said earlier is like this have benefited from a little bit more modern technology, but we have bell, which is okay and it looks beautiful, but tokyo godfathers, when you just put it on, even though, again, the, because of the backdrop of christmas, it, it kind of gives you that idea of like, oh, I'm about to watch something that's really really good and, um, even though it's a little shocking out of the gate.
Speaker 2:
24:02
But they have removed some of that stuff in the dub and it's been updated, which is nice, but it is a very important movie when it comes to Japanese culture at that time and it continues to be that. So very much enjoyed it. And again, just, it was like a sigh of relief, like, oh man, thank goodness that we enjoyed this movie, because I don't know how many more we could do, where we're like, oh, this is, uh, this is going to be rough, but yeah, do we do? We don't do similar films, whether uh, for, for this series do we know, I think we've done it.
Speaker 1:
24:33
We've done it if it makes sense. Uh, looking at the list, I don't think it makes sense. There are, I mean, if you want to watch this, or santa claus three.
Speaker 2:
24:40
No, no, no. Why is this on here? That's not a similar film at all.
Speaker 1:
24:44
I don't know why it's on there. I was going to say the only the only films that were on here. I'm pretty sure you you have ranked higher, although Akira was the late to the party. I know you would watch this over that and then you would watch this over Porco Rosso. So those are the two movies we've. Yeah, so those are the two movies we've. Yeah, those are the two movies on either late to the party or international feature that we would have done. Everything else is again paprika, perfect blue films underneath his filmography and again, films I've heard really great things about. So there's absolutely the door is open to go back to one of these again in the future, and I mean there's some good stuff here. There's some good stuff. So if we are going to move away from Miyazaki and Ghibli, because that is clearly not Phil's bag, maybe this is an area we can go into. I'd be curious to see what your tolerance level is to go that far back.
Speaker 2:
25:39
So yeah, hey, between him and Hosoda it just seems like I have a different preference when it comes to these anime films. You know, I will say and I'm not going to shout out the name of the podcast because they pissed me off there was one guy I watched another video because they were talking about this film, and the guy was like he was saying how much he hates anime films in general, and he said that the only ones he had ever really seen, though, were like the jujitsu Kaizen one, and then also I watched that.
Speaker 1:
26:06
I watched that.
Speaker 2:
26:08
You know how I feel about the. At least I've seen the boy in the hair and in theaters. At least I've seen and watched these.
Speaker 1:
26:14
And he said he liked that one. Yeah, I was like you kidding me. I actually I'm going to shout him out because I actually don't mind them. But Trash Taste is the podcast. Piss me off. Yeah, I like.
Speaker 2:
26:26
Some of their videos. Yeah, all he was watching is like shonen anime movies. I'm like I don't even do that.
Speaker 1:
26:33
I'll say I watch One of the guys, gigguk. I watch a lot of his like year in review film YouTube videos Because they're very well made. He's the one I don't even know how to describe him year in review film YouTube videos because they're very well made. He's the one in the. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1:
26:45
I don't even know how to describe him. It's going to be racist. Yeah, the main one. I like his YouTube presentation and his commentary and it's just funny and very well done. But yeah, the other two I don't really watch their solo stuff, so whenever I watch Trash Taste, I'm like I usually tune out after a bit. I usually watch the clips, so that's what that is.
Speaker 2:
27:08
Yeah so, but there you have it, folks. Definitely recommend checking out Tokyo Godfathers. And once again shout out to Corey the world is my burrito. If you want even more of a deep dive into the cultural significance of this film, highly recommend going to go check out that episode. Not sure exactly when it will be out. All I know is he is prepping for it. Should be this month or the next, but he is doing quite the deep dive into that. But, eric, anything else we need to mention before we wrap this thing up.
Speaker 1:
27:34
No, no, I think we are good to go and we can close this up. Appreciate all you guys. If you are listening, in the month of December we did have a bonus episode that recently dropped, so you should definitely check that out. And the end of the year awards coming up, going into next year. We'll be recording a lot of content going forward. So while we're still around the timeline, I'm going to plug it.
Speaker 2:
27:58
But yeah, going into next year, guys, a lot, of, a lot of stuff coming down, so stick with us yeah, that episode eric is talking about is a discussion with director warren skills as we discuss the man in the white van uh. By the time this episode releases, it'll be out on uh in theaters on december 13th, so make sure you check that out. Next week is the game room where it happens, eric, we have been playing uh marvel rivals, getting our asses kicked, but having a lot of fun. So hopefully that episode. We'll see how we feel a week from now when we talk about it, if any of that changes. But if you want to find the rest of our content, the rest of the international feature episodes or anything else, you can find it in the link tree link in the show notes of this episode. You'll also find all of our social media pages, the most important ones to keep up with being instagram, tiktok, our Discord channel, as well as YouTube. Oh, it's also our Twitch channel where we stream every other week.
Speaker 2:
28:47
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Speaker 1:
29:27
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