THE RETRO MOVEMENT with Omar Tyree | Episode 2 | Special Guest: DJ Darryl Krush

June 12, 2026

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THE RETRO MOVEMENT with Omar Tyree | Episode 2 | Featuring DJ Darryl Krush

Welcome to The Retro Movement, the new Zoom interview series hosted by NAACP Image Award winner and New York Times bestselling author Omar Tyree. Dedicated to "REspecting The ROots," the show explores the stories, journeys, and legacies of influential writers, musicians, filmmakers, entrepreneurs, educators, activists, and media professionals who continue to shape culture around the world.

In Episode 2, Omar sits down with DJ Darryl Krush for an engaging conversation about music, culture, creativity, and the experiences that helped define his career. From industry insights to personal reflections, listeners will gain a behind-the-scenes look at the people and moments that continue to move the culture forward.

Produced by Valerie Denise Jones, The Retro Movement is a weekly series featuring celebrities, industry leaders, and changemakers whose stories inspire generations. Every episode preserves history while creating new conversations for the future.

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1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: It's restaurant like Shordan back in Chicago, Punk Rock, Chechoe, 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,519 Scarf Face, South Christino, Juleeve, Hawaii five Vot Star Wars, 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,280 High Stow, nor g I show New York City's South Post, 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,079 Sessame Street, mel Mo, Camera Mo is snow Mo, No. 5 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Mock means no Mo. Retro Movement. 6 00:00:26,879 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Tyrie produced by Miss Valerie Denise Jones Mascal and we 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,880 are back on a second show, Man the Retro Movement 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,600 respector Roots, going back to the old school man, so 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,280 we can teach these young bucks how it all started. 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,119 In every field. I don't care if it's music, I 11 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:48,640 don't care if it's sports, film, book writing, boxing, Everything 12 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:49,600 goes back to the roots. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: You gotta start from somewhere. 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: And so I got a friend of mine I've been 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,920 knowing for like twenty five plus years, and you know 16 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:59,159 he's from New York City. In New York right now 17 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,200 is Victor because they got the Knicks and the roots 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,760 of the Knicks, that Madison Square Garden thing. 19 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: You know. 20 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:10,519 Speaker 1: So I gonna introduce my dude, DJ Darryl Crushed from 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Hollands Queens, New York City. We got in on a 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,840 second podcast show Respect the roots the retro movement with 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,359 my super producer Valerie Denise Jones setting everything up. I'm 24 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:26,519 old mar Tyree the Philadelphia and I wanted to come 25 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:28,719 right out the date. You know, my dude, Darryl, he 26 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:31,040 wearing that orange shirt for the Knicks, and I had 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,560 to put my Villanova colors on. It ain't the dark 28 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:36,000 blue from Villanova, but I got all my blue one 29 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:39,680 with the retro because we got three Phillanova boys on 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,120 that team, and if they not on that team, I 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,840 don't know what's going on. We got the Kobe Mamba, 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,920 that Philadelphia toughness, you know, three dude, and then as 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,840 Pop came from Temple, you know, the dag Gone brunts 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,359 and Pop, and I watched John Shaney back in the 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Temple Daggers. So we want to kick that off. But 36 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:59,079 we're gonna start by coming straight out the gate. Holland Queens, 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,879 you were born, Hollins Queens, what year were you born? 38 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,359 And I'm a nineteen sixty nine baby, and we got 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,599 a whole lot of nineteen sixty nine's out there. 40 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:08,759 Speaker 2: But you a touch older than me. If you're not 41 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:10,120 a gready to say how old you are? 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,599 Speaker 3: Look look, look, look I'm more than a touch I was. 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,159 I'mnna date myself now, but I was born in nineteen 44 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:17,759 sixty three. 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, sixty three, All right now. 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: I met a dude by the name of Cool Hurt 47 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,080 at the Javis Center one year, and they give him 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,280 a whole lot of props. And when I saw him, 49 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,400 d he was pumped up and whatnot like the old 50 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:32,400 Crutch Crew brothers. 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: And the brothers that was in the house party joined them. 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: What was name of the brothers that was with full force? 53 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,240 They had a full book. 54 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: He's beeped up, and he was cool looking, and he 55 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,039 had a whole hoser ride. And in me I put 56 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,080 together Cool Hurt. He built like hercules, and he's cool 57 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:49,520 and he had a whole crowd around him. But you 58 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,319 and Hollis Queens, okay, nineteen sixty three? Did it start 59 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,520 off with funk music and soul music? What you remember 60 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,240 when you was coming up in Hollis. 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: Nah, Then they used to have garage bands every corner, 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,719 every street. Kids would get instruments and they'd form a 63 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,280 band and they practice in the garage and in the 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,479 summertime they'd come out to the park and play their music. 65 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:14,879 Speaker 2: In New York. 66 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh music, Oh yeah, outside park park have 67 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,919 actually it was two and a half blocks from me. 68 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,360 We used to call it Jamaica Park. 69 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:27,319 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, to make it. That's famous. To make a park. 70 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,759 Speaker 3: Make to make a park. And around seventy six seventy seven, 71 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:38,240 they had the budget crisis where they started taking music. 72 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:41,840 They started slashing the Board of Education budget budget and 73 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:45,439 they took music out of the schools. Okay, well they 74 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,680 took music out of the schools. I mean we didn't 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:53,000 have any instruments. It was actually by fate that with 76 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,080 no instruments, us kids that were musically inclined, we still 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,719 had to get our music fixed. So that's you know. 78 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,879 You and back then, you know, you had a party, 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,719 You had a record player, You put a song on, 80 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:11,319 people dance, get to the end of the record. But 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,360 the next record so then uh so then uh uh 82 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,639 the blackout, well deep we started hearing these tapes coming 83 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:23,480 out of the Bronx uh tapes And the first time 84 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:26,360 I heard one, it was a crew called the sure 85 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:31,720 Shot Crew. And the crew the sure Shot Crew uh 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,399 uh uh old man, it was sugar Bear Kick called 87 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,079 himself Bill Blast. It was a female MC called Sean C. 88 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,839 And the DJ's name was cool Cuts. 89 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,519 Speaker 2: Cool Cut Cut cut the record. 90 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, cool cut, and and they used the echo chamber 91 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:55,920 because at the beginning of the tape it was like 92 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,519 you ready, ready, ready, ready, ready, right, and the dude 93 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:03,120 dropped Apache and that's the first time I heard that. 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,360 I was like, I don't know what this is, but 95 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:10,160 I like it, like I want more. Yeah, how old 96 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:16,959 were you? Twelve? Twelve twelve, so we're talking about seventy five, 97 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:18,160 all right? 98 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: Now before that? What kind of music were y'all listening? 99 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Because I'm from Philadelphia and I came up in the seventies, 100 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,759 so we had to sold stuff on Lockdown with Kenny 101 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,040 Gamble Lee out her international records. What were you listening 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,480 to in the late sixties that you remember? What kind 103 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,120 of music did y'all have before the hip hop started? 104 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:39,439 Speaker 3: The soul funk? Okay, so that was motown then ye Classigon, 105 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:43,160 beech stuff stuff my older brother and older sister were 106 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:43,639 listening to. 107 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: All right, So you were the third kid in the 108 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,079 family about that too, Yeah? 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:48,399 Speaker 3: Yeah? 110 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: The baby was you the baby? 111 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the baby, he the third kid. 112 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: We had to wipe the edge on and she was 113 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,240 the baby. She's saying the juicy fruit. She with the 114 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,519 baby too. Because I was trying to figure out why 115 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,199 she was so supportive, right she was. I said, now 116 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,720 I get it. You're supporting the oldest sisters and you 117 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,279 had a brothers and sisters. Because I'm the oldest, so 118 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,639 I'm in a different position. But yeah, you the baby 119 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,199 and the sixty three baby. But y'all will listen to 120 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:18,000 the regular you know, motol music before the hip hop 121 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,240 chicken Okah, go. 122 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 3: Ahead, yep. And it was a summer of seventy six. 123 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,120 There was a block party around the corner for me, 124 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:29,680 So I roll a bike around the corner and it 125 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,639 was a DJ setup and I stood there and I 126 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,040 watched this guy for like two hours straight and he 127 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,040 was cutting. Uh oh, what was he cutting? 128 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:41,879 Speaker 2: Gotta be one of the old funk records. 129 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,439 Speaker 3: I can't. I can't James Brown record. James. It'll come 130 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:50,600 to me. But I watched him cut and I said, 131 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,720 you know something, I think I can do that, and 132 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,360 I'm gonna do it. But we didn't have two turntables. 133 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:02,639 We had uh uh uh. We had a stereo, and 134 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:07,079 then my mom had this portable stereo that that she 135 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,839 had gotten from church. So I set them next to 136 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:14,759 each other, and I just used the volumes as my mix. 137 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,560 I turned one up, turned the other one down, turned 138 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:19,800 up one up, turn the other one down. And that's 139 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:20,079 how I. 140 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: Told you and your mom, lets you do that? 141 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because because my mom was a piano teacher, 142 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:29,439 but so she she just liked the fact that I 143 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,879 was doing something with music. And plus mom had a 144 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:35,560 whole bunch of jazz records. So that's where I started 145 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,040 to get my beat from jazz records, like I had. 146 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,519 That was your first record and you had the jazz records. Yeah, 147 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,399 my first records that I actually bought for myself. I 148 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:54,000 bought two copies of sheiks Good Times Okay and uh Man. 149 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,920 I wore that record out, But that's how I taught 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,959 myself how to cut and scratch on those two that 151 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:02,600 I just you play Good Times for hours? Yeah? 152 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,519 Speaker 1: Did the people like it when you had them two 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,560 songs on? Was it just your record or did other 154 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,519 people like it? Because that's part of the djaing You 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,720 got other people like it? 156 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,439 Speaker 3: Well, what I would do is I take my speaker 157 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,879 and put it in the window so people walking by 158 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,439 and every once in a while I look up, but 159 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,839 there'd be five or ten people out there, just standing 160 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:22,680 and vibing to what I was doing. Yeah, that would 161 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,959 give me confidence. Okay, all right, all right, that worked. 162 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Let me try this, let me try that, and yeah, 163 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:28,920 so they started to eat. 164 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: So you weren't outside yet. 165 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: You you got your old little set up in the house, 166 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:35,080 and you got the speakers in the window. He tried 167 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,000 to create the crowd house. 168 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, how loud was? 169 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: It was mine late? Turn that thing down? 170 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: Not what when it got late or or or you 171 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,919 know the neighbors, Well, neighbors really didn't complain, but whenever, 172 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,919 whenever it got late, mom coming, Okay, it's time to 173 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:51,679 turn the music down. 174 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,399 Speaker 2: All right, Okay, now what was late? Because you were 175 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:55,200 in New York, they say, y'all never sleep. What is 176 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,240 late for you? At twelve? 177 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: Look look at at twelve thirteen? Late was like a 178 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,559 thirty nine o'clock and then go down that music it 179 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:04,000 go off. 180 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: So so workout was coming right. 181 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:09,799 Speaker 3: But then I met a couple of kids in the 182 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,559 neighborhood and one of them happened to be the MC. Okay, 183 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,960 so so we started vibing. So now we're making these 184 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:22,600 cassette tapes in my in my mom's some porch and 185 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:24,879 circulating them around the neighborhood. And we're trying. 186 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: Now, we gotta get the we gotta get the days. 187 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: Right. 188 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,919 Speaker 2: We were served at seventy six. 189 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: Eight. 190 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: Now I was getting ready to say now we're seven seven, 191 00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:35,519 seventy seventy eight. 192 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:40,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, making you early early, Yeah, I'm playing some earlier early. 193 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:44,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, already got wreckass and cassette things. That's early early 194 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,480 because I remember we had them eight tracks, remember them, 195 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,159 big fast sloped the eight tracks. Yeah, well y'all using them, 196 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,759 and you already had the little cassettes. 197 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: We actually the first recording we made was with an 198 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,039 eight track recorder. 199 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Yep, you go. 200 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,519 Speaker 3: But but this is where cassettes were starting to come in. 201 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 And was like, okay, thing is bulky, you know it. 202 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:08,120 You know it's not continuous. It keeps jumping tracks. So 203 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,360 that that's when we started making the cassettes. 204 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: To learn how to get it to work. 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,879 Speaker 1: All right, So now you got an m C. Now, 206 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:16,720 we wasn't in a MC's yet in Philly. So this 207 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:19,799 dude was actually spending lyrics and rhymes like riddling. 208 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: But what that sound like first time he came over 209 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,320 to the house. He came over with one of those black 210 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,600 and white composition books full of rocks. And he actually 211 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:32,000 went to Music and Art High school in Manhattan. He 212 00:10:32,039 --> 00:10:34,919 went to He went to school with Dougie Fresh Dain 213 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,120 and No Uh, the original Gucci man. Uh. They used 214 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,360 to call themselves the Cago Crew. I don't know if 215 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:47,799 you remember that scene in What's the Rush Roof? No, No, No, 216 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:52,519 Wild Style, not no, the one with Sonni Lathan. Well 217 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:55,720 she said when she says, when did you first fall 218 00:10:55,759 --> 00:10:56,600 in love with hip hop? 219 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I forget the name of that one. 220 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,279 Was most Stephan that one? Yes, yes, okay, I just 221 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:03,320 forget the name of that one. 222 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,919 Speaker 3: But there's a scene where she talks about the cipher 223 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,519 and talked and you got Dougie Fresh in the scene 224 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:14,120 day in the day going around and they called themselves 225 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,200 the Kano Crew. 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: And they were talking about the late seventies. 227 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, that movie is factual because those dudes actually called 228 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:26,000 themselves the Cano Crew. Uh. They all run with British 229 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,919 accents because they got that slick Rick get out of there. 230 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,639 That's why Dana Dane and Slick Rick ron with the 231 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:41,120 British so and because they didn't have a DJ, Dougie 232 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,720 Fresh started doing the beatbox to compliment them, saying these 233 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:46,840 rhymes in the cycle. 234 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:49,159 Speaker 1: And he's a heck of a performer man, that dude. 235 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,759 I love Dougie Fresh, dude. And they all came out 236 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:53,039 of Hollows, Queens the area. 237 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,519 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they all went. They all went 238 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,159 to the high high school, music and art. 239 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,519 Speaker 1: Okay, so where was the high school because you went 240 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:01,559 Hollis you want somewhere else for high school. 241 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,799 Speaker 3: No, my high school was Jamaica High School. But they 242 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,960 went to music and art. And my mc brian he 243 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:12,480 went to music and art. So Brian, Brian, Brian lived 244 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,840 in Queens. He looked around the corner from me. Brian 245 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:18,080 would come to the house. He used his lunch money 246 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,679 to buy break beats to bring him home so that 247 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:24,840 we could make tapes with him. So our claim to 248 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,320 fame was we'd have these beats, were playing these beats 249 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,360 and Queens that nobody else had yet because Brian was 250 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,440 getting them from Manhattan. 251 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, so y'all getting them fresh and they ain't biting right. 252 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: And back then you used to you used to mark 253 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,200 out the label or rip off the label, so nobody 254 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:44,240 howl was so they couldn't be what the beat was. 255 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,080 No fighting. 256 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: They don't even understand that term now, and you say 257 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,720 no fighting, they immediately want to bite everything now, and 258 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,679 that was the New York terminals. You know they talk 259 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:57,240 about biting. But you talking about the late seventies. Now, 260 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:01,879 this is early Yeah, unbelievable. So when we start talking 261 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,519 about somebody like you know them, dude's been doing it. 262 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,879 Speaker 2: A long time. 263 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: The dude, I've been doing it fifty I really did 264 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,879 myself now fifty plus. 265 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: Ye, that is the roost. 266 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: That's what the restaurant movement is all about, you talking about. Okay, 267 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,480 so we start hitting the eighties, did it start getting crowded? Now? 268 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:23,919 To start getting competitive in New York with more because 269 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,039 now you're talking about that that Art High School? 270 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,279 Speaker 2: What Boro was that in? 271 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,799 Speaker 3: What that was in Manhattan? But but what really helped 272 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:36,240 hip hop explode throughout the whole all five boroughs. We 273 00:13:36,279 --> 00:13:40,960 had to blackout in seventy seven seventy eight, and of 274 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:44,840 course kids ran to the electronics stores and was just 275 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:48,720 copping stuff, copping stuff, speakers and whatever they could carry. 276 00:13:49,039 --> 00:13:53,279 So now crews that didn't have anything on the black market. 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,320 They could buy turntables, they could buy amps, they could 278 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,519 buy speakers. Now they could bring their stuff out sid Yeah, 279 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,080 so you had cruise on like almost every block. You 280 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,080 had a DJ, you had some MCS, maybe you had 281 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,320 a click of MCS. Maybe you just had that one 282 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:12,799 MC that was really nice. And you get at least 283 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,120 tape circulating. And for us, you knew you made it 284 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,000 if you got on the bus to go to school 285 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,240 and you heard somebody rocking your tape in the back 286 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,159 of the bus and you didn't know them. 287 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:25,879 Speaker 1: Get out of here. Yeah, they had little cassette tapes. 288 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,720 They had headphones back then already. 289 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,639 Speaker 3: No, no, no, they come on carry little box. 290 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,559 Speaker 2: So they playing for everybody. 291 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: Right right them boom boxes. So if you heard your 292 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,600 tape blasting out a boombox or somebody that didn't know, 293 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,159 that means somebody got a copy of a copy of 294 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,240 a copy and they're playing your tape. 295 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:49,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all really extraverted. Everything in New York is blasting 296 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:51,879 for the people. He's on the bus that blasting y'all 297 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:55,200 in there dancing, y'all rocking the whole nine and killing it. 298 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,360 And that's before we saw any of those movies with 299 00:14:57,399 --> 00:14:58,480 the Wild Stars was the first. 300 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: I think Wild Style was one of the first one 301 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:01,279 early eighties. 302 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: Whilestar was eighty two, and uh yeah, that was the 303 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:07,919 first one. 304 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: That did y'all go crazy because everybody else went crazy? 305 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,320 Did y'all go crazy with Wild Styles in New York? 306 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,720 But y'all like that late that's late been no. 307 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: No, no, we were just we were just happy that 308 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:21,360 it was on that it's on the big screen. They 309 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,039 were in kangos, they were in the gold name plates, 310 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:27,399 they got a leather bombers. Uh and they're just up 311 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,600 there spitting And the only thing that we got we 312 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,240 would get frustrated with is that. And I found out 313 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,200 later the reason why is they were they just kept 314 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,559 playing the same track and everybody's spitting on it. It's like, 315 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:42,399 y'all wear all the break beats. They find out they 316 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:45,159 couldn't get a clear they couldn't get clearances to get 317 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:45,919 the movie. 318 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they back to that now talking about clarences 319 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,879 and whatnot. Okay, So now in Philadelphia, that first BAP 320 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,039 to the hit the Hot to Hit the sugar Hill, 321 00:15:55,399 --> 00:15:58,200 and that was Sylvia Robinson. I think she came out 322 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,919 of New Jersey and then went up the hallm you 323 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:02,120 know what was one of the first. 324 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: Hip hop records that, did y'all have something before that? 325 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: Because that's the one we all got in philadelphiall memorized 326 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,320 that joker. That was like seventy eight seventy nine. Did 327 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,519 y'all have a record before that? The sugar Hill Game. 328 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: No, there wasn't it. Well, King Tim, the Third Fat 329 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:21,159 Back Band. That was the first time we heard somebody 330 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,720 spitting on the record. 331 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:23,639 Speaker 2: Gosh it. 332 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,879 Speaker 3: We thought that was like the most phenomenal thing. 333 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I was on the football field with it. Yeah, 334 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,840 go ahead. But then we all handed go ahead, right. 335 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: But then we did a block party and we played 336 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:36,840 our little Breakbeach or whatever, had a guy MC and 337 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,519 and whatnot. Another DJ got on and he was a 338 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:45,200 little older than us, and he put on sugar Hill 339 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,679 Gang Rappers Delight. And when it first came on, we're 340 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,879 looking around, like, you know, where's MC. Where's the man? 341 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,879 Speaker 2: Y'all look, y'all didn't know it's on the record. 342 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: No, no, And when we filled y'all used to live stuff. 343 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,639 Speaker 3: Yep, when we figured it out that it was actually 344 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:04,519 on record, on a record. We were we blew our minds. 345 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: Why they did it? They did it now they put 346 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:07,680 on a record. 347 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: But and we couldn't figure. We couldn't understand that why 348 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,119 the record was so short because trigger Hill Game rappers Delight. 349 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,680 The full version is like twelve minutes. Yeah that was 350 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,319 too short. Yeah you know, how come they how could 351 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,440 they put it all on just twelve minutes? Because you know, 352 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,359 just like Go Go used to go on for hours. Yeah, 353 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,960 you go to a hip hop party, Well back then, 354 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,319 just the party. Uh, their BMC's rhyming for hours. 355 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:35,559 Speaker 1: And that's what I was about to say, And was 356 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:38,559 twelve minutes you rhyming the mass of these dudes throwing 357 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,200 a punch and things out the studio, dude like them 358 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,160 dudes robbing and go on forever ever. 359 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: And then the memories we had to have, we had 360 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,440 to memory. 361 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: I memorized all them choice dude, like I'm talking about incredible, 362 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:52,319 and you had the whole vibe with it and everything 363 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,279 you wanna be with it. 364 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: You know they can't do that now. Push me in, 365 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,319 Push me in, pushed me in, right, So that. 366 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Now they had they had enjoyed records and sugar Hill, 367 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:04,119 they had two of them. 368 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,839 Speaker 3: That sugar Hill, it was Enjoyed, it was sugar Hill, 369 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,359 it was Paul Winfield Black Label. They kept with some 370 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,799 joints too, didn't get a lot of commercial success. But 371 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,400 all of a sudden you had this flood of hip 372 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,119 hop records coming out. A lot of them never made 373 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,079 it to or if the mcs did make it, they 374 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,119 changed their names, they had to change groups or what 375 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:36,480 have you. But yeah, between but between uh the rappers 376 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:42,559 Delight and uh the start of the commercial success. Oh yeah, 377 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,039 it was a boatloader boatload of mcs that came out. 378 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,039 Everybody's trying to record, make a record. Then. 379 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, back then, man, they had to do the mic 380 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,759 stro on the m C STR. I want you to 381 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,440 know that I take your high, I. 382 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:01,039 Speaker 2: Take your boom that. 383 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: That was my record d when he came out because 384 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 his stuff was it was on another level man when 385 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,359 he was and the beat was crazy boom bull the 386 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,160 gold bull Bull. But dude, I'm horize. And then they 387 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,039 had the heart beat with the whole you know what 388 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,440 it was? I think what was that thatack on Pumo 389 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:22,799 D and Sunshine D. And then me and my dude. 390 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,240 I had a dude named Charles Hutchinson, and I had 391 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:27,799 moved him down area because I'm originally from the bottom West. 392 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:29,279 Speaker 2: It's like one of the hardest areas. 393 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: And I moved uptown and so these kids had more 394 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:33,599 money than me, you know what I mean. So I 395 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,200 moved uptown and my dude, Charles Hutson, he had the 396 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,599 records and all that, and we was rocking all this 397 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:39,680 sugar Hill stuff. 398 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: Man. 399 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,319 Speaker 1: I think that was like must have been like fifth 400 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,240 grade for us, you know what I mean. That's like 401 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,720 the break of the seventies to the eighties. And in 402 00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:50,039 Philadelphia it was a DJ city dude. So we had 403 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:52,640 this dag one place called the Sound of Market where 404 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 you go in there and you go down like a 405 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:58,240 tunnel downtown and it had all the flashing me outlight. 406 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,559 Speaker 2: So to this day, every time time I see a 407 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:01,480 shirt that looked like. 408 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,599 Speaker 1: It leon, I'm like exect glow in the dark because 409 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,359 we had them flashing globe lights. And my uncles I 410 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,359 grow with my aunts and uncles before I moved to 411 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,240 mad Area, and they would go down there and get 412 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,799 these flashing lights and balls and all these disco likes, 413 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,799 and you put them in your house and then you 414 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:17,400 had parties where you got these lights and the black 415 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,119 lights and make everything glow. So I came up, dude, 416 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,119 I'm like a kid watching everything glow. I'm thinking everything glows, 417 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,400 because that's how we came up. You had to make it, 418 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,279 you know, hot, You had to make the party and 419 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:30,319 see you would wear something where it could glow in 420 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,960 the dark. So I'm saying that, man, you know, and 421 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,200 that y'all got the kango had for people don't know, 422 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,759 similar to this one. You got the kno on it 423 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,640 with the little I guess like it's a little it's 424 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:40,200 what's that like. 425 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,279 Speaker 3: A kangaroo, your little kangaroo, dude. 426 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: And they had various different styles. And that's the British, 427 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,559 the whole British thing. So we rocking, like you said, 428 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:50,240 the whole British kango had all over the. 429 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: Place, the kanos, the British walkers, the playboys, the shoes 430 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,480 and shoes were British too, So yeah, it was a 431 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,000 whole vine. 432 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:02,039 Speaker 1: We had to pro care the converts for the basketball dudes, 433 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:04,880 but the procast back then and the colors and all 434 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,039 that kind of stuff. So you kept djaying, Okay, now 435 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:10,359 did you call yourself crush back. 436 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: Then what was your name back then? You ain't have 437 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:12,759 a name that. 438 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 3: I started out as Master D and this was like 439 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,359 high school. But right before I went to college, Uh, dude, 440 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,880 that used to MC for me. He said, man, you 441 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,319 should change your name. So really, and I used to 442 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:30,200 always want to emulate. I wanted to Uh. I used 443 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,359 to fashion my cuts. I wanted to get as good 444 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,680 as Grand Wizard Theodore. 445 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: Grand Rizard Theater. There you go. 446 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: I listened to his tapes. I go to my copy 447 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,039 the cuts because I wanted to get I wanted to 448 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:47,200 get as nice as him and our mcs. To this day, 449 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:51,319 my favorite hip hop group is the Cold Crush Brothers. 450 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:55,519 So so I was into that whole vibe. Uh So, 451 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,119 right before I went to college, my man was like, yo, 452 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,839 you should change your name. So there's a lot of 453 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,519 as the ds out here. And he had a can 454 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,200 of orange Crush Show soda and he said, he said yo, 455 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:10,400 he said, he said, you know like Crush. He said, 456 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,559 you know like he said, you know like Curtis Blow 457 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:15,400 got two names. Curtis Blow said you should call yourself 458 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,920 Darryl Crush, but changed the C to a K. And 459 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,599 that's where cash and it's been like ever since. 460 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: And that was what that was the early eighties. 461 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,039 Speaker 3: That was eighty one. When I went to I was. 462 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:29,799 Speaker 1: Still playing football and then doing the records on the 463 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:31,519 playing field of football on the sideline. 464 00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: So you went. 465 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: Now you end up going down to Virginia a state, 466 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,839 see you? 467 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: But what made you go down to Virginia instead of 468 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,759 stand up in New York? 469 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,759 Speaker 3: And so because I number one, I needed to change. 470 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,200 I knew if I stayed in New York, I'd get 471 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,119 a city job. Uh. And when I first came out 472 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,920 of high school, I wasn't trying, that wasn't grown yet. 473 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,200 I wasn't ready to work. I wanted to go with school. 474 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,440 My sister went to Morgan State. My mom and dad 475 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,880 both went to Morgan State. So you are. 476 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,759 Speaker 1: Morgan State and Baltimore at Captain State right there? 477 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: Got you all right, mam Man Posser, you had. 478 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:08,519 Speaker 1: Two educated parents. Year that he had two educated parents, 479 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,640 so he was their first generation and then you second 480 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,640 of the second generation. Same thing here, man. My mom 481 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:17,680 was the first one to go to college. Came out 482 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,240 of Temple on seventy five, No, seventy four. I was 483 00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:22,920 five years old. I was at the graduation so I'm 484 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,160 second generation, you know, college as well, but JRG both 485 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,359 went to you know, my mom went Temple was like 486 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,319 one of the blackest white schools in America, Temple on Rutgers. 487 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,640 Just everybody know that. So we got a lot of 488 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,960 black people right in Rutgers. Yeah, if you look it up, 489 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,559 Temple on Rutgers, Philadelphia, New Jersey, two of the blackest 490 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,400 white schools in America. But yeah, both of us are 491 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,359 second generation. But you went to HBCU. I can go 492 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,720 into mind later on. But you went down to Virginia State. 493 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,000 They also got Hampton down there, they got Norfolk State, 494 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,079 they got you, They got all kind of back. 495 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,279 Speaker 2: Did y'all have rivalries and stuff down there when you 496 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:56,920 got down there? 497 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,799 Speaker 3: Oh of course, of course. But what I noticed when 498 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,759 I us got there is that whenever they had the parties, 499 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,559 we had two DJs, major DJs that would do all 500 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,200 the parties. But they were both from Virginia. So they 501 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480 didn't got they didn't cut and scratch, they play a 502 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:16,960 song song, Okay, here we go, and they didn't do 503 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,480 anything with the microphone either. 504 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:19,559 Speaker 2: Oh here we go. 505 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,759 Speaker 3: So here come to New Yorkers. So freshman year, we 506 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,680 have this social out behind the student union, and this 507 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,240 dude's playing good Times. And I went up to him 508 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,519 and I said, you know, my man, do you have 509 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:35,920 a microphone? He was like, yeah, here, so he just 510 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,319 gave he just gave it to me. Wow. And it's 511 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,880 funny you beat uh. It's funny you big, you pick uh. 512 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,240 You bring up r c LA rock the mic stro 513 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:53,119 because that's the rhyme I spit over good Time. And 514 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:57,119 I spit his rhyme over good Times. And the New Yorkers, 515 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,400 the New Yorkers, New Jersey, Connecticut, all the folks rupped 516 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:02,119 up back up over there. 517 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: And they went crazy. 518 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: They went they went crazy nuts. 519 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,559 Speaker 1: And you was on the mic doing that yeah, and 520 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,160 I'm not you are, and you was already calling yourself 521 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,640 crushed with a K right. 522 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,799 Speaker 3: But the funny thing was, I'm not. I wasn't an 523 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,640 MC at all. I'm you know I'm gonna do. But 524 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,480 but I saw an opportunity after I did that, Man, Nick, 525 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:25,599 they rushed me. They wanted to day. 526 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: Self crush and your crust, your crush, so I already know. 527 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: So the light bulb went off. I said, Okay, I'm 528 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,160 gonna go home and bring my equipment back here. Uh, 529 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,000 because so this way, you know, I could start doing 530 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,200 parties because I know I can do better than these guys. 531 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,759 And that was when I when I got back and 532 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,079 started doing parties. Man, you would have thought I was 533 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,799 grand asked Flash or somebody like I said, urg Virginia. 534 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,359 Nobody was cutting, nobody was scratching body playing records. They 535 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,880 were just playing records, and they would they weren't. They 536 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,759 were playing a lot of disco stuff. They were playing 537 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,240 a lot of funk. They weren't playing R and B. 538 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,119 They certainly weren't playing any go go or or any 539 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,799 break beats. So I got to the campus, all right. 540 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,519 I got with this dude. This dude's name was Derek, 541 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,759 and we used to call him Shaky Shaky. Yeah, he's 542 00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:29,039 from d C. And we were freshmen together, and at 543 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:31,559 that time, the DC guys and New York guys kind 544 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:32,559 of used to bump hates. 545 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: Okay, me and Derrek. 546 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, your's up, top dudes, man, New York dudes, man. 547 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: From d C. 548 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: We're from the Mason's Captain mess shawty Yo Jones. You know, man, 549 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:44,880 they got their own day. 550 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: I can see it. Go ahead, go ahead. 551 00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: They'd be like what's up, slim some stick man. 552 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,279 Speaker 1: You already know, and the New York is all that 553 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,279 extroverted New York energy. I can already see it. 554 00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 555 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 3: Well, come to find out, we used to be at 556 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,279 odds all the time because we were so much alike. 557 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,279 You know, we're wrapping our city, they wrapping their city. 558 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,599 So me and Shaky we got a couple of courts 559 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,480 of beer and he sat down and explained to me 560 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,559 the whole concept of go go and the percussions and 561 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:17,000 how it just keeps going. 562 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: Killing it and the hands gotta get side. 563 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: Go ahead right, And me in turn, I explained to 564 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,400 him what hip hop was, how it started. 565 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: The part, that's what. 566 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 3: So so after we after after he did they understand 567 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,160 now that we understand each other. Next time I did 568 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,200 a party, I had gotten my hand on about fifteen 569 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,920 go Go records and I did a go Go set. Man. 570 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,359 After that it was done because they were like the 571 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,279 DC Boys was like, yo, now you got the South 572 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,319 End nor Yeah you knew. 573 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,799 Speaker 2: I didn't know you was. 574 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know you was Collage Famous Niger that the 575 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,440 around crush for twenty five years. He Collage Famous Damn 576 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,119 stayed up there you're the man. 577 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 3: To this day. You talk to anybody that went to 578 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,480 State in the in the eighties and they'll tell you, 579 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,440 oh yeah, you say you know Crush, Oh. 580 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah the DJ. 581 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: Y'all. 582 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: Wow, look at that. I've even had ad. 583 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,319 Speaker 3: I've even had some guys that uh went to school 584 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,400 after me. That DJ. They said, Yo, they came still. 585 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,519 Speaker 2: Had to name it man with Crush Man, he crushed 586 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:29,759 with the man. We need to bring Crush back. 587 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: Crush that bring it back to school for like a 588 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:33,839 whole time retro party. 589 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,279 Speaker 2: Yo. 590 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,079 Speaker 3: Yo. They they thanked me because they say, Yo, you 591 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,759 open the door for us to do what we do. 592 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,960 She came, you started charging like some real money, and 593 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,119 you taught us how you got to please everybody. You 594 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,079 can't just be playing the New York stuff. But you 595 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,160 can't just be playing the Philly stuff. You got to 596 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,279 play for everybody because because like I said, I was 597 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:57,200 playing R and B, I was playing House, I was 598 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,240 playing when you. 599 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,079 Speaker 2: Got an early education of how to be versatile. 600 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,359 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no doubt because New Yorkers. 601 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: When I went to Howard, I went to Howard. It 602 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,359 years later the New Yorkers ran everything, man, Like you know, 603 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:10,200 and if. 604 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: You, Oh, we New York. 605 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: This is New York. Died in New York. You know 606 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:15,720 they ain't run everything. So yeah, you got a chance 607 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,960 to understand. We got other people the other music. Now 608 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,079 that I got back at that time, you're talking about 609 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:22,920 the transition from the seventies. 610 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:23,039 Speaker 2: To the eighties. 611 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: We still have funk records. So I'm gonna run down 612 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:29,240 in Philadelphia. I topped five funk records. Man. You had 613 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,039 to have Let's dance to the drummers beat. You got 614 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,119 to have that Let's dance to the drummer And we 615 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,880 was cutting because we saw what y'all did. So Philadelphia 616 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,160 immediately became a cutting that let let's let let Let's 617 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,000 let let let And then. 618 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: The second record d C. 619 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,359 Speaker 1: If you phil getting high and you can't get up, holler, 620 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,359 pup Pup, pup dude. Indeed, we kelt the pop pop pop, 621 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,759 pop pop pop. We keelt that record. You had to 622 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,240 have that record in Philly, and then you had the Parliament. 623 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,559 You got the Parliament, they had Bunker Telly And when 624 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,119 I had moved from the bottom of West Philly into 625 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,480 the mount Airy area with all I got my headphones. 626 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,680 Right now, I gotta keep to keep money in my head, 627 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,279 gotta keep dissust my headphones. But when I moved up 628 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,839 top to Mount Airy, we had that song what's that is? 629 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:20,319 Dynaye suit Suit one Nay shine that joy right now. 630 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,720 That was one record that we didn't scratch and cut. 631 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,799 Nobody touched that record. When that record came on, you 632 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,039 was like, hey, don't touch that record. Nobody went another. 633 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,759 So that was and then you had flashlight. Gotta have 634 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,000 a flash light behind light. And then my personal favorite, 635 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,880 you know, and this thing I think came out like 636 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,640 nineteen seventy eight, both handing. You know, let's start the groove. 637 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:46,960 Every head boy, get on up and dance, Get on 638 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,359 up there. Yeah, dude, when that record come on, do 639 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:53,839 it's like your dad go on Tom warp d. I 640 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160 go back to the bottom of West Philly at the 641 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,039 TP party at the party place are thirty six and 642 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,839 Asthma Street, and we had a teething and I still 643 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,559 remember the DJ get away from the speakers because we 644 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,960 had like these gignetic speakers, dude, and like we would 645 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440 get because you could see them pumping at that old right, 646 00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,799 so you get closer like the airblue and the DJ 647 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:17,079 was out the DJ was gonna create get open, I'm 648 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:18,319 gonna shut down the music. 649 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: But dude, it was that day on say Averring and 650 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,160 Body go on and do it, Come on and do it. 651 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:26,559 Go on, dude. 652 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,799 Speaker 1: So we had them Funk records and the DC Records 653 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,200 and the New York scratching and cutting, and the thing 654 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:35,400 is New York always brought the records down to Philadelphia. 655 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,359 D It was almost like they knew y'all were gonna 656 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960 rock them. They was always like, let's see what Philly does. 657 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640 So we were getting records before New York got them. 658 00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,559 They would records and bring them straight to Philly. 659 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,119 Speaker 3: Well a lot of people don't but a lot of 660 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,839 people don't realize that a lot of those earth that 661 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,559 first generation. A lot of those first generation hip hop 662 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,799 artists actually recorded in Philly, Yeah, because they weren't the 663 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,559 studios in New York, so they drive down to Philly 664 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,680 and record. Roxanne Chante used to record in Philly. Horton 665 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,240 Pepper used to record. It was downy all the side, 666 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:15,240 so Ll Cool J recorded in Philly. So a lot 667 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,480 of a lot of those early hip hop artists, those 668 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,240 early hip hop records came out of Philly. So yeah, 669 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,319 she got you got them hot off the press before 670 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:24,680 they got on the radio. 671 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,759 Speaker 1: And we had block parties, house parties, playground parties, rec 672 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,880 center part dude, And I don't know how we did it, 673 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,559 but they let twelve thirteen fourteen year olds go to 674 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,720 the YMCA and we in there, dude, like all teams. 675 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,319 I'm looking about it now, like, do anybody that they 676 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:42,240 don't have parties? 677 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: Like, dude, we like. 678 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 4: Twelve thirteen at the YMCA, at all the rec centers, 679 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,160 at on the basketball court inside, we got the whole 680 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,759 gym in Philadelphia and we ain't even teenagers yet. 681 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: So I'm like, I, dude, that was Philadelphia. What's 'all 682 00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:58,200 do in New York? 683 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: That was pretty much That's the same deal. I was 684 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,000 DJing parties at thirteen. My man. My man's mom used 685 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,680 to load her stuff up in her station wagon and 686 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,200 drive us to the party and then have to come 687 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,000 back and pick us up when the party was over. 688 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:18,160 So I never really grew up with a curfew, because, well, 689 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,000 if I'm doing this house party for one hundred and 690 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,039 fifty dollars, that's one hundred and fifty dollars less that 691 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,319 she has to give me. So I could go ahead 692 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,759 and buy sneakers. But back then we were smart enough 693 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,480 to know, Okay, we make one hundred and fifty dollars 694 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,279 on this party, we make one hundred and fifty dollars 695 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,079 on that party, We'll take twenty five dollars for ourself. 696 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,839 We'll put the rest back in buying more equipment and 697 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,039 buying better equipment. 698 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, bro, you making one hundred and fifty 699 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,880 dollars at how and how old? 700 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: At thirteen fourteen? 701 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: Do you hear this? Megga huff two. 702 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying one hundred and fifty dollars for like 703 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,920 three months because he's doing that. 704 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: At one party. Oh yeah, Oh, y'all getting money at 705 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920 thirteent y'all getting money at thirteen? 706 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,759 Speaker 1: Dude, Like I was carrying bags at the shopping center. 707 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,759 Speaker 2: I make maybe twenty dollars, but. 708 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: It takes me like a whole month to make one 709 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:09,760 hundred and fifty. 710 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we bought. That's how we bought turntables. That's 711 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,440 how we bought a mixer. That's how we buy our records, 712 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,400 that's how and our first set of speakers we actually 713 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,320 built them. We actually went and bought the wood, bought 714 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,039 the components. My man, my man's dad was a carpenter, 715 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,119 and we actually speakers, built their own speakers. 716 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: Y'all had a carpenter. 717 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 3: Well, my man's dad was a carpenter, Okay, yeah he was. 718 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,760 And he was actually a wood wood a woodworking teacher 719 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,360 at one of the high schools. 720 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,559 Speaker 1: So now the equipment, what equipment, because my dude had 721 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,400 the spat was what were y'all rocking? 722 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: What advanced? What mixes? Go? 723 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 3: The first set of turntables were SLB ones built SLB 724 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,239 one hundreds, Yeah, no, SLB one okay. 725 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,079 Speaker 1: One, Okay, so that's the first generation that they called. Yep, wow, 726 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:02,199 that's so that's a classic. 727 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh and we had a Clubman one one 728 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,199 mixer still to this day, probably the best mixer I 729 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,599 ever had because it had it had a really strong 730 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,280 uh preamp in it, so it made things sound even 731 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,239 made our speakers sound good, our homemade you sound good? 732 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: Now would that be retro? Now to find one of them? 733 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:24,199 Would that be that classic? 734 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: One of those? 735 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah? You did? You be pressed to try and 736 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,199 find one? 737 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,639 Speaker 2: Now? Did they stop making them? 738 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 3: Well? The Clubmen. The Clubman was known for making uh 739 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:39,239 mixes for like the clubs, and uh they were only 740 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,440 in business for a look, for a short period of time, 741 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,239 but uh uh they were known for making great mixes. 742 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,239 But they went out of business just a lot of 743 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,320 like a lot of those little companies. 744 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't compete. 745 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: Once the big boys start getting in, they start doing 746 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,400 the whole warehouse thing, have more money, and then a 747 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,480 small dude like, we can't compete with that. Then the 748 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,639 kids start buying that. Yeah, man, we understand how it works. 749 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,039 We understand how it works. 750 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:03,599 Speaker 2: All right. 751 00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,519 Speaker 1: So now Hollis Queen's Now we all know it was 752 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:08,280 that run DMC dudes up there. 753 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: So what what they was? 754 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,079 Speaker 1: What they were the biggest dudes that broke out of 755 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,559 there that because you all the but but they the 756 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,079 day because they they was huge and Philly b d 757 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,840 that was it, dude. 758 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,199 Speaker 2: What was that like eighty four dude? When eighty four 759 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,360 hit them? Dudes? That that was they was like gods. Man. 760 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: Then when the whole leather thing and the whole you 761 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,119 Adidas that they just took her to another level? 762 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: Man? 763 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,079 Speaker 1: Did it did it feel that way in New York? 764 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,679 You was already out of New York by then. 765 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 3: The funny thing is and This is before I went 766 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:45,440 away to college. Running D came to audition for our crew. Wow, 767 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,679 and my father. 768 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: Crush at the Dago and run in D come audition 769 00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:52,960 for yard. 770 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,079 Speaker 2: I didn't know he was a legend. 771 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 3: My father used to tease me because my boy the Eric, 772 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,280 that's who whose house they went by and he called 773 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,760 me up. He said, Yo, said, I got these two 774 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,679 guys here. They wanted m C for us. They want 775 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,320 to be down with the crew. I said, all right, 776 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,320 I'm coming around there. Walked around to his house and this. 777 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,880 They weren't They weren't. They weren't big, they were who 778 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,880 they were now. They were still raw and unpolished, and uh. 779 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,840 I walked around there and I listened for a little bit, 780 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:25,719 and I was like, Nah, we don't need them. My dad, 781 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,960 to his dying day, used to be like, yeah, that 782 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:30,280 was a good son. 783 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 2: You want to call him running them? Son? You want 784 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,280 me to call running them? Yeah? He got you fathering now. 785 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. He'd be like, yeah, so called running him. 786 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 2: Want you take them out? Some Chinese fool soake running 787 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,400 them out? 788 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? But it already worked out. It worked out the 789 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,360 way it was supposed to work out. 790 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, good deal. All right, So now all the 791 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,519 other dudes from Queens mc shan. What was you around 792 00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,000 when that whole thing started with the. 793 00:37:59,039 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 2: Mc shan thing. 794 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, as a matter of fact, I had gotten I 795 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,639 graduated from school by then and the whole Shane carros 796 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,079 One thing. Yeah, you know. 797 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,639 Speaker 1: Down productions in the Fron Southron South South Front get it, 798 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,920 the Queens Breads Queens. That was one of the first 799 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,280 battle battles. Dude, like that was like, everybody, what's going on? 800 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,400 That was like the first battle battle. Y'all got two 801 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,480 boroughs going at it. 802 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,559 Speaker 3: Well, see see outside of New York, that was the 803 00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,639 first battle people knew that inside New York already had 804 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,360 even before the sugar Hill game. It was D versus 805 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,119 Busy B. That was the classic battle tape that to 806 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,400 this day still one of the best battles ever recorded. 807 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,960 And that was back I want to say, that was 808 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,400 like nineteen eighty. 809 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,079 Speaker 2: Right at the breaking, right at the break of the seventies. 810 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:03,119 Speaker 3: Because back then they used to have these hip hop 811 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,880 shows at like the Armory or various clubs, and they'd 812 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,000 say it's going to be an m C battle, but 813 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,360 the winner was almost pre picked before the show ever 814 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,800 went on. Busy Bee used to go around saying he 815 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,039 could beat everybody, he could beat it, and that night 816 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,039 Kumo D wasn't supposed to m C, but Busy Be's 817 00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,480 talking about, Yeah, I could beat everybody. I could beat everybody. 818 00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:32,039 But enough D had enough of it. He signed up 819 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,719 his name to go up against him, and he's like 820 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,079 an open mic yep and uh uh. Busy b was 821 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,000 known for rocking the crowd, you know, say whole birthday. 822 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: Left to the Yeah. 823 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: But but D got on the mic and the first 824 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,920 thing he said is hold on, busy B. I don't 825 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,800 mean to be bold, but put that Bob d D 826 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,199 Bob bullet on. Hold. One thing that Busy Bee used 827 00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:00,840 to say all the time, he go to the Bob 828 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,599 Bob but dang it dang trying to get that whole 829 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,880 and cool o D when he he dropped that line 830 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,599 and then he just punched after punch after punch, and 831 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,039 he destroyed him on that tape. If you go to 832 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:18,679 YouTube now and you pull up Busy Bee versus H versus. 833 00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: Classic Bug, were getting the we're getting the classic from 834 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,719 the rush, but there crushed. We didn't know he was 835 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,119 that going H B C U celebrity down there. Good 836 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,679 God a mighty giving it to us. That's what retch 837 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,400 was all about. 838 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,599 Speaker 2: The roots. Then in queens down in. 839 00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: Philly, Roxanne Roxande, I knew that now we had the 840 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,280 what's the on the phone? 841 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:44,119 Speaker 2: You ride on it? What's that seat? 842 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: Sequence came out before, but roxand as an individual MC 843 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,079 and then the whole Roxanne thing went crazy, dude, and. 844 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:56,199 Speaker 2: She quing suit was you around that whole Roxanne thing? 845 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 3: No, she was from she was from Queensbridge. She was 846 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,880 in the same apartment. That's the project, same projects as 847 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,639 Marley Ma. Molly. Molly Ma would just go downstairs and 848 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:13,039 he'd get kids from the neighborhood to come up and record. Yeah. 849 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,679 And if you listening to rock saying on the radio, 850 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,639 now you talk to her, she'll tell you she never 851 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,719 got paid for any of that stuff she did with 852 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,440 because Molly would record it. He said, hey, come on, 853 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:26,920 what you what? You listen to this? He's go ahead, 854 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,679 spit something Mary Molly have it pressed up and he'd 855 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,800 be playing it on the radio. And that Friday, because 856 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,320 he was DJing for mister Magic, so he could take 857 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,960 the music, he made it home and bring it right 858 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000 in and put it on the radio. Yeah, and then 859 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,840 go ahead and get a distribution deal to press it up. 860 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: So that's what Biggie was talking about, mister Mark Magic 861 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,639 and then Marty doing it. Then Marty mar was the 862 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:56,760 beast and he was cutting all the records up back there, yep. Now, 863 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,440 now the Brooklyn thing end up with Big Daddy came there. 864 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 2: Now we wasn't here. 865 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,199 Speaker 1: A locking brook but they had the fly Girl song 866 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,719 came out from the Boogie Boys. What else was going on? 867 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,639 But we started moving around? What else was going on 868 00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,280 in Brooklyn? The hallm because Queen's had all the action, 869 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,440 and then we had the South Bronx with Bead Pickle. 870 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,519 Speaker 2: What was going on in Brooklyn because they right next 871 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:15,960 to y'all? 872 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think, especially early on, Uh, queens 873 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,719 got jumped on, jumped on the map early because between 874 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,960 you had Russell Simmons, who was uh who who used 875 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,880 to come back, used to come by my house and 876 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,960 get my sister to go play handball. Yeah, never knew 877 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,840 who he was. Wow, Well he wasn't Russell. 878 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 1: Whoa Russell Simmons was coming to your house? Yeah, but 879 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,920 do y'all hear this, dude, and you've been there me 880 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:47,360 twenty five years brother. 881 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,199 Speaker 3: But Russell Simmons wasn't Russell Simmons. He was just to 882 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:52,599 the other. 883 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 2: But I don't care. He still is coming to show house. 884 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 3: Man. 885 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 2: We're talking about. This is what we're talking about. 886 00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: Everybody got the roots somewhere in Russell Simmons and then 887 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,719 his little brother and his. 888 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 2: Crew are just this is crazy. 889 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,119 Speaker 3: Then let me bow down, but let me full. 890 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,039 Speaker 2: Crazy. But okay, So that's so Brooklyn was late to it, 891 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:15,960 you know what I mean. 892 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: But that day gonna fly, I end up with a 893 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,960 famous book called fly Girl and eighty five fly Girls 894 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,199 A girl once you the nineteen eighty five dude, by 895 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,480 that time we had all the gear. We had the 896 00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,360 b K shoes, we had the Hawaiian shirts, and all 897 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,239 the jewelry and all that stuff, Philly Rock and the 898 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,719 whole DJ what was your whole fly look back? And 899 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,280 that's like the mid eighties. So you coming out of 900 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,000 college by then, you remember. 901 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,039 Speaker 3: That name plates, mock turtlenecks. Uh, you had to have 902 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,559 either three three ring or two two finger ring gold 903 00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:55,800 bracelets and all that, or in the summertime you had 904 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,480 on the nylon the nylon T shirts or take with 905 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,559 the match and shorts, and now we. 906 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 2: Had all that, we went crazy. Man. The t gray 907 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,360 Ozy Cola was that. 908 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:14,199 Speaker 1: Ralph Laren the Tide one members only the cocksports. Dude, 909 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,760 we made so much money for white you know companies 910 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,039 do we were just because we. 911 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 2: Didn't have our owns. We rocking everything they had. Man. 912 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,119 Speaker 1: And then the Datas, of course, your hollis Queen's dude. 913 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,159 They end up forcing the contract with Adidas. They were 914 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,400 talking about them so much. They end up getting an 915 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,559 Adidas deal with the whole Adidas thing. 916 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 3: But the crazy thing is we were wearing Adidas Levan 917 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,679 d Fondish. The Adidas started out. The white boys wore 918 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,599 Didas and look at them, ugly, man, what trip with 919 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:48,039 the ugly shoes? But they wear them. They're all dirty 920 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,000 and they're tied up on tight. But when we started 921 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,559 getting the fat laces, it's like, oh wait a minute, 922 00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,880 if you just kind of uh put them on and 923 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,679 kind of break them a little bit, yes, staying straight 924 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,440 up where you put the lacers in. Now the lacers 925 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,679 go straight across. 926 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 927 00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:09,119 Speaker 3: So actually the fat lacers worked better in the Adidas 928 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,760 than let's say, the Pumas or the Nikes. So and 929 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,880 if it rained or you have to do the wipe 930 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,960 the Adidas off. They didn't get messed up in the rain. Yeah, please, 931 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:20,239 After that it was a rap. 932 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: Especially the Sheltzps had little plastic shelzps range they come 933 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:26,840 right on off and clean them right on up. 934 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 3: Yep. 935 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So now what how'd you end up coming 936 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,920 down to Charlotte. We're gonna move it on. It's got 937 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,480 all that. How'd you end up coming down to Charlotte 938 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,320 once you come down this area? I'm in Charlotte. Now 939 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,440 we're both in Charlotte. 940 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm a Philadelphia and he's a New Yorker down in 941 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,199 the Queen City. 942 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,559 Speaker 2: How'd you end up down here? 943 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 3: Look? I was working for a newspaper, New York news 944 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,920 Day up in New York, and they offered us a 945 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,360 buyout package, and my man, Jeff was like, Yo, man, 946 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,840 I'm thinking about moving south. And when I went to 947 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,000 school in Virginia, I had always said, eventually I'm gonna 948 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,880 make my way back south because New York's cooling one, 949 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,519 but it's expensive. Ye, your heart, you survived, you know 950 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,039 already know I would never live in New York. 951 00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 2: It's going to eat up all your money, go ahead. 952 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,519 Speaker 3: So so he came down to check it out, and 953 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,320 I said, okay, we'll go with you. And we came 954 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,119 down here and we spent probably about four or five days. 955 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,440 And after that it was like, oh, yeah, I'm moving 956 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,039 to Charlotte because Charlotte was up and coming and it 957 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,920 was slated to be like the next growth city for 958 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,800 the next year. Go say something I heard, and I'm 959 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,199 thinking that right. 960 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,199 Speaker 2: Here when y'all were visiting. 961 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,119 Speaker 3: Oh this was ninety two before me. Go ahead, and 962 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,440 then so so and I figured, Okay, well, but the 963 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,760 city's growing. If I come down here, you know, get 964 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,039 a job, maybe like in the service industry or something, 965 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,199 and DJ down here. The city's growing, I can do 966 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,519 nothing but grow with it. And that's exactly what happened. Yeah, yeah, 967 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,000 and I like I came down. I came down in 968 00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:56,800 ninety five. 969 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,280 Speaker 1: I had a family wedding in Greensboro, and I said, 970 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,480 I'm just go down to Charlotte. 971 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:03,679 Speaker 2: And I came down to Charlotte and checked it out. 972 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: And they had just gotten the football team because they 973 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,239 was playing in South Carolina at that time, the Panthers. 974 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,599 They already had basketball with the warnings indeed, let me 975 00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:13,199 tell you something. 976 00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm from Philadelphia. 977 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: It was the cleanest city I've ever seen in my life. 978 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 3: I said, I have never. 979 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 2: Seen anything, and do it. And it was the same thing, 980 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,679 Charlotte up and coming, up and coming. 981 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,039 Speaker 1: And then that by that time, the early and mid nineties, 982 00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,840 we start going down on to Atlanta, and Lanta started 983 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,719 bubbling because we had what's that the Outcast crew, you know, 984 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,320 they was already buggling and talking, you know, with this 985 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,280 or Atlanta. And they had a whole lot of music 986 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,679 companies in Atlanta. But it wasn't right the really popping yet. 987 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,280 So we had a lot of people that would go 988 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,039 past Charlotte, go right down to New Yorker's New Jersey, Philly. 989 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,039 So we are and I would be down there and 990 00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:50,880 I'm like, Dad, everybody's down here. I wanted to be 991 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,400 somewhere where everybody wasn't and that was Charlotte. So I said, 992 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,000 he Charlotte is new. I don't want to be following 993 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,440 everybody else to Atlanta. But Atlanta was already starting pop 994 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,000 in the early nineties. But what was the hip hop 995 00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,320 scene when you got to Charlotte. Was you able to 996 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,039 come in Charlotte Mark and start doing parties or they 997 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,119 was like, I don't like the New York duty playing 998 00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,239 them up chop breakfast. How did you come in and 999 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,800 try to infiltrate Charlotte with the music scene? 1000 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 3: Now, the funny thing was we came down and at 1001 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,039 first we tried to come down and conform. I tried 1002 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,519 to try to, you know, play in a couple of 1003 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,199 clubs or whatever. And it was like, you know something, 1004 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,719 now we need to do what we what we normally do. 1005 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,280 And I started doing weddings and dances. Everywhere I went, 1006 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,280 I leave my business card. If I went out, went 1007 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,519 to McDonald's, leave a couple of business cards on the table. 1008 00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:42,360 So I started getting phone calls. Yeah, once I tapped 1009 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,320 into the wedding market, because weddings down here were vastly 1010 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,719 different than weddings up top. They like like like they'd 1011 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,400 go and have the ceremony and then they take place 1012 00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:58,000 and they sit down and they eat exceptions. Yeah, they'd 1013 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,559 cut the cake and it was a wrap. I was like, 1014 00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:08,519 we party at a reception, So I'm having them throw 1015 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,840 their hands up in the air and I'm walking them 1016 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,039 through cutting the cake. 1017 00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: And you in New York y'all got all the music, 1018 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,880 and we got international rocket there. 1019 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 2: We got all this in d C. 1020 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,039 Speaker 1: You know they ain't gonna have to go go with you, 1021 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,000 so yes, so he bring it down in North Carolina. 1022 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,639 Speaker 3: But so after we started doing a couple of weddings, 1023 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,960 I have people come up to me, I've never seen 1024 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,239 a wedding like that before. I've never got so much 1025 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,079 fun at a reception. Normally, after they get introduced into 1026 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,559 the wedding, into the reception and they cut the cake, 1027 00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,079 everybody leaves said, y'all got it so where people don't 1028 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,480 want to leave. It's like, this is what we do 1029 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,119 all the time. This is normal for us. Once we 1030 00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:51,039 tapped into that vein, then we just started getting business, 1031 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,559 getting business, getting business. And between that, I've had a 1032 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:59,159 couple of stints on the radio here the mixes for 1033 00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:03,280 for some radio pert personalities. It just it just kind 1034 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,280 of branched down from there. 1035 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, with the whole wedding thing. Now by that time 1036 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,679 you're getting headed the early nineties. Now we got the 1037 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,920 West Coast that then jumped in there with the gangster stuff. 1038 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,320 I dude, I remember the first sound where I heard 1039 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,239 nw A and I was in college at Pittsburgh, and 1040 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,920 I swear to God, were sitting around saying, you can 1041 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,559 cuss on the. 1042 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:25,599 Speaker 2: Record, dude. 1043 00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,119 Speaker 1: We had not heard that on the record, so we're 1044 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,360 sitting around like, wait, man, you can cuss on the records. 1045 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,360 They was tanning up us and it wasn't on the radio. Now, 1046 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,800 we had CDs and we had tapes and all that 1047 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,960 kind of stuff, but it was popular as ever, and 1048 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,719 it was like, do you remember when that took off 1049 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,079 with the whole Cuspers and the gangster stuff and the 1050 00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:45,719 late ladies. 1051 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 3: Yo, dude. I was in New York at the time, 1052 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,679 and a buddy of mine came out the crib. He's like, yo, 1053 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,480 come on outside and got something I need you to hear. 1054 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,559 We're sitting in his car and he pops in that 1055 00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:58,920 n w A tape and I'm like, yeah, the beach 1056 00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:06,719 is nice, but what what? And I was like, man, 1057 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,079 what is this country stuff? He's like, you belt, yo, man, 1058 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,079 I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I was like, Yo, 1059 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,800 I feel the beats. But this day, man, these guys 1060 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,280 is out there. 1061 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1062 00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,159 Speaker 3: Never thought that that shoot. Six months later, I'd be like, 1063 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,400 you know something, that record's kind of hot. 1064 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:25,559 Speaker 2: With Doctor J. 1065 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,199 Speaker 1: He was a DJ, so he playing the records and 1066 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,400 then his sound quality was off the chain, dude, Like 1067 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,920 to this day, I don't know how he gets his. 1068 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,559 Speaker 2: Level so hot. But doctor Dre dude, the levels was like, 1069 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,039 how is he making it so? 1070 00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,639 Speaker 1: Because lots how we didn't have great mixing with a 1071 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,239 whole lot of New York records. It's like said doctor 1072 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,920 Dre had the levels was like. 1073 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,679 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom, dude. And then he had the better 1074 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,599 Michael fall off. 1075 00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: So now you got clarity coming out the West Coast 1076 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,599 with the easy we want easy, and then then you 1077 00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:00,880 had the Oakland dude with the two short slight things 1078 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,400 too short. And by the time I got the Howard 1079 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,480 in the early nineties, then you had DJ quick Man. 1080 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,920 It was like the West Coast had just taken over. 1081 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,320 How did you feel when it's just dude? 1082 00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,199 Speaker 2: They had all kind of dudes out there. 1083 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,519 Speaker 3: Well, to your point, one of the reasons that the 1084 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:20,960 records coming out of New York weren't as crisp and 1085 00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:25,199 clear and and and as resounding as they could have 1086 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,679 been is because you got to remember, we started out 1087 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:33,039 with my mom's jazz records with the kids that we 1088 00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:36,239 would find that when you put the needle on, you 1089 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,079 heard that little bacon cooking. Yes. So and when we 1090 00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:44,559 started sampling those records, we didn't want to change that 1091 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,239 up because that's all you wanted to get here. So 1092 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:49,679 in the park, I used to know when there was 1093 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,519 going to be a party in the park because you 1094 00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:53,679 hear them hook up and then the first thing you'd 1095 00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:55,840 hear is that when they. 1096 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,079 Speaker 2: Put away, so you know it's coming. Yeah. 1097 00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. So so the way we were used to hearing 1098 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:05,840 it was it was a little murky, it was a scratchy. 1099 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,480 For example, Pete Rock, if you listen to Pete Rock's songs, 1100 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,239 all of his drums, all of his percussions are a 1101 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,360 little murky and the murky because that's what we were 1102 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,280 used to hearing. Yeah, rum the drums going clean back then. 1103 00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,800 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you what again, Philadelphia, a lot 1104 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,880 of people are coming to recording filled. In the seventies 1105 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,079 and eighties, they started going out to California. They started 1106 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,679 building these high tex studios in California. So now they 1107 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,639 got the equipment. D they in studio with top notch equipment, 1108 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000 So that stuff coming out from California was like top 1109 00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,559 notch equipment stuff they ain't up and so it was pounding. 1110 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,880 And then it went to the South with the whole 1111 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,599 bass music. Was it out of Florida, Miami Base, Luke. 1112 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,320 Speaker 3: Skywalker what was his name down there right right, Bluke 1113 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:02,280 Skywalker and the two live crew. 1114 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 2: The whole game. Then it, then it, then it. 1115 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,079 Speaker 1: Then we had the records coming out of Houston with 1116 00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:09,239 the Fifth World Texas, your Mind's playing tricks on me. 1117 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,599 Then we had records coming out Common was coming out 1118 00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,960 of Chicago, and then it was it. It spread everywhere, man, 1119 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,320 it was all over the place. Then we had like 1120 00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:22,360 ten records coming out of me Tuesday. 1121 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,320 Speaker 3: But the crazy thing was is that even though it's 1122 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,559 spread everywhere and everybody had their own different flavor, they 1123 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,360 still used the same core ingredients of hip hop. And 1124 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,440 that's what That's what That's what kept it, uh vibrant 1125 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,119 as far as we were concerned for so long, because 1126 00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,039 even though yeah, I'm in Texas and I'm doing the 1127 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,719 hip hop thing, I'm still I'm still flipping the record, 1128 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,000 I'm still I'm still you can still understand everything I'm saying. 1129 00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:01,320 I'm intigating the words. It wasn't tell people stop demanding excellence. 1130 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,000 That that's when that's when things changed. 1131 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know now you're talking about that, there was 1132 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,519 labels that got involved where they're putting you in the 1133 00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,719 studio over tops. Once they got away from the labels 1134 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,880 doing it, and they start doing records in their basement 1135 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,519 at a at a sub studio, and would have happened. 1136 00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:19,679 They put it out and they didn't have it mixed, 1137 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,280 and you already rocking to it. And so now the 1138 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,760 labels were like, hey, that ain't even mixed and they 1139 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,239 rocking same deal. They didn't want to change it up. 1140 00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,000 So now this whole mumble mouth. They don't know how 1141 00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,559 to mix. They just putting it out. And next thing 1142 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,000 you know, now in the whole industry like, hey they 1143 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,400 liked the record like this, Why then they start saying, oh, 1144 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,719 it's too clean. You and a young boy said it's 1145 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,480 too cleanep. So now you got the whole it changed up. 1146 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:46,840 So by the time we down here in the two thousands, 1147 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,840 then you got the cash money millionaires coming out and 1148 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:57,559 that first record I heard, huh juvenile. Indeed, I'm a listening, 1149 00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,920 I'm like, I don't know what he talking about. 1150 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:01,360 Speaker 2: It was shamming. 1151 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 1: They were dude out of I thought he was saying 1152 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,519 a foreign language, what the heck do? And then it 1153 00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,679 was like everybody had their own, didn't mumble mouth and 1154 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,360 did the own. 1155 00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 2: If you couldn't understand it, it didn't matter. We rocking 1156 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:13,840 to it. 1157 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: And then New Orleans they got that jazz music, that 1158 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,599 funk music, that horning, so they knew how to do it. Man, 1159 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,360 now it's all over the place. Then the MC started. Man, 1160 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,280 it just got crazy in the two thousands, where everybody 1161 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,119 got records, everybody got everybody's doing that thing. It ain't 1162 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,800 just New York no more. So everybody jumped in front 1163 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,360 of y'all. Y'all not that that that the height of that, 1164 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,719 the of the records no more. How did you feel 1165 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:39,199 about that? 1166 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 3: Look, I'm still a purist. I'm still classic hip hop 1167 00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:49,960 to the day I die, so so so the mumble stuff. 1168 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,480 Like I have these these debates with my kids and 1169 00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,519 I tell them, I said, that's okay, you'll know what 1170 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,039 you got, but trust and believe, when you're an adult, 1171 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,280 you're not gonna go back and listen to this. You're 1172 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,519 gonna go back and listen to the stuff we listen to. 1173 00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:07,320 And sure enough, son's gonna be thirty, daughter's twenty four. 1174 00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:11,800 I get nick get playing our stuff stuff because you 1175 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,480 canna understand. Yeah, because this stuff it's a flashing the pin. 1176 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,960 It's hot today. You're not gonna go to an old 1177 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:25,559 school party and play what's the kid? Soldier Boy said, 1178 00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:27,039 You're not gonna be the reunion in place. 1179 00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,239 Speaker 1: He was famous for blowing up on the internet everybody 1180 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,199 Soldier Boy did a sword like look at it. It's 1181 00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,519 a one, two, three Soldier Boys. Everybody else is still 1182 00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,440 getting in the studio and they're getting a whole lot 1183 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,360 of money and all that kind of stuff. So as 1184 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,039 we get to the end of our show man, it's 1185 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:44,800 been a great hour, whole lot of information. We're gonna 1186 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,719 start doing our top fives because you a DJ, so 1187 00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,320 we're gonna get it. So now I'm gonna start off 1188 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,360 with the whole top five them seeds. I don't know 1189 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,440 everybody's gonna argue about it. That's hard. Top five the Seeds. 1190 00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,000 Now you got a liking list and you got you know, 1191 00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:02,880 everybody else, who do you like? 1192 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,119 Speaker 2: Just say who you like? Because you you the crush brother. 1193 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,039 Speaker 1: You gotta bowl down to you being one of the 1194 00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,840 Originals at the h B c U Virginia State. You know, 1195 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,920 DJ d All Crush, Who's your five? Because I got 1196 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,360 my five. 1197 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,039 Speaker 2: I'm older too. 1198 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,559 Speaker 3: But my my personal five first one is gonna be 1199 00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:24,239 grand Master cass or the Cold Crush Gotcha, kr us one. 1200 00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:30,000 And this isn't in any particular orders of course. Gotta 1201 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:31,719 gotta throw the God rock him in. 1202 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 2: There, gotcha. 1203 00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 3: Uh got gotta put Biggie gotcha. And if I got 1204 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,000 to cut it off of five, I'm gonna have to 1205 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,400 put hold with nas as honorable mentioned. 1206 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,239 Speaker 2: This is what I'm gonna do. 1207 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,599 Speaker 1: I'm older too, So my top five, I'm doing lyrics first, 1208 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,760 and then I'm doing impact. So with the lyrics, I'm 1209 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,239 always thinking about the eighteen pletter rock Helm is always 1210 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,280 because I'm always thinking about you know. 1211 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,039 Speaker 2: And then Big Daddy Came is right behind him with 1212 00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:11,760 the lyrics. 1213 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,119 Speaker 1: And then I like that dude out of Queens his 1214 00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:17,039 name is koog Rat with the lyrics, you know what 1215 00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:17,400 I mean. 1216 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,119 Speaker 2: So I'm bringing them throughs up, so. 1217 00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: I get them three and then KOs one as the philosopher. 1218 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,239 Speaker 2: But then I got a different list. 1219 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: When you start talking about making money and impact, I 1220 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,960 got a different list. I can't get around jay Z. 1221 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,440 He didn't have ten number one. Now he just did 1222 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,519 the Roosts in Philadelphia, blew the thing off the hinges. 1223 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,760 Then I got another Queen's dude, ll cool J got 1224 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,360 a whole lot of records, man, a whole lot of records. 1225 00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,360 And then after that that dude, Snoop Dogg came from 1226 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,039 the West Coast and we had never anticipated the record 1227 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,320 like we anticipated Snoop Dogg gigantic. Then y'all got another 1228 00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,480 dude from Queens with the now sting with the impact 1229 00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,400 people just and then the white guy got throwing in 1230 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,119 the Eminem. 1231 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,880 Speaker 2: He's recluse now, but. 1232 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 1: I gotta put him in that go top five for 1233 01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:08,519 impact and record sales and all that kind because you know, 1234 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,480 the white for all you gotta put the you know, 1235 01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:13,320 but he's too recluse. You gotta stay out there, man, 1236 01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:15,800 he's like in this batcave thing. 1237 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 2: You have to come on. 1238 01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:20,559 Speaker 3: Man, you got but lyrically, Lyrically, if I had to 1239 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:25,239 rank them lyrically, Eminem is my top yea, his creative 1240 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,440 as I don't knowe Lyrically, I put him with the 1241 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,440 best of them, and wow, put my money on eminem 1242 01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,800 I think you rip him face head to head battle 1243 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,360 off the dome. 1244 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that longevity thing. Jay has been a long jet. 1245 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,079 What do you think about is we wrap this thing up? 1246 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:43,719 What do you think about the whole roost thing with 1247 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,920 him go ahead and spitting out with a whole ten 1248 01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:48,119 guys up? Because some guys like, oh he's this and 1249 01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:49,360 now that's the young boy style. 1250 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,039 Speaker 2: What is he doing? 1251 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 1: He's a buck, daddy's a billionaire. How you feel about that? 1252 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:55,760 Because that's all battling. You already said it. We didn't 1253 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,039 know about that? Is that do you look at its 1254 01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:59,119 just battling. 1255 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,679 Speaker 3: Or what I think? At this stage he needs to 1256 01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:06,079 stay not try to stay relevant, Just stay in his lane. 1257 01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:10,480 There's no need. There's no need to used to say, 1258 01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:13,920 there's no need to punch down Jay. You're you're at 1259 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,519 the epitome of the rap game. Like you said, you 1260 01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:20,559 had ten number one albums. There's no need to reach 1261 01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:23,199 back and try and wrap like this guy, or try 1262 01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:25,400 and stay relevant. Just go out there and do what 1263 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,800 you do because we appreciate what you do and appreciate 1264 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,920 how you do it. You don't need to change it up. 1265 01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:33,000 You don't need to try and flip a new style 1266 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,280 or with new me No do you dude? You first 1267 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,639 of all, you can't talk about being from the streets anymore. 1268 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,320 You're a billionaire. Can't talk about billionaires? 1269 01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think as we wrap it up another Queen's dude, 1270 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,840 fifty and I always think of the same way. 1271 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Fifty come on and you're making all kind of money. 1272 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,119 Speaker 1: Now he's still attack dudes, And I feel like it's 1273 01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:56,519 like they feel like if I don't attack and they 1274 01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,400 gonna come, it's like a defense mechanism. 1275 01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:00,719 Speaker 2: I gotta through it or I'm gonna lose my audience. 1276 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose, you know what I mean, Like they 1277 01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,320 got I'm like, fifty, you the dude, Now what are 1278 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:05,800 you doing? 1279 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,400 Speaker 2: But he's still in a tack move just to do so. 1280 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,239 Speaker 1: I feel like it's like a response the fist mechanism 1281 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,320 where they feel if I don't do it, I'm gonna 1282 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,119 lose something later on and I'm. 1283 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,159 Speaker 2: Gonna be soft and they gonna come get me, you 1284 01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:18,760 know what I mean. That's how I'm feeling about it. 1285 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 3: Look, fifty fifteen need to go ahead and hang a 1286 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,880 rap game up. You're making movies now, you got TV 1287 01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,719 us you're you're a media mogul. There's no need for 1288 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,000 you to ever step in front of a microphone or 1289 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:35,159 just somebody. You're killing it. You're killing you used. You 1290 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,960 used the vehicle of hip hop to get to where 1291 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,440 you are. Go ahead and close that door. You got 1292 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,639 plenty of other doors to open. 1293 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,519 Speaker 2: Got you all right? 1294 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: The next playing the night two to one, mixed up 1295 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,400 Madison square go here go there't you go? 1296 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,400 Speaker 2: I got my feeling other colors on there you go? 1297 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:53,920 All right? 1298 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: So what because now we hit the sweet thing is 1299 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,000 over with? What you're thinking? What for the one? 1300 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,679 Speaker 3: Now? I said from the I said from the beginning, 1301 01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:07,920 Nixon six six. So for to two, yeah, that's what 1302 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,400 I said, Nixon six. And after the first game, I 1303 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,920 said Nixon five. So depending on how they played tonight, 1304 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,960 I'm still sticking with Nixon six. 1305 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: You heard it, Hollis Queen's DJ Dale crushed. We didn't 1306 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,239 know he was law to North Carolina state, not not 1307 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,519 that Virginia state, north down. He died in North Carolina, 1308 01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:31,960 came down here and started doing the wedding parties, still 1309 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:32,920 doing it long. 1310 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:37,079 Speaker 2: This is the retro movement. We always gonna uncover the roots. 1311 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,159 Speaker 1: He gave us a whole lot of roots going all 1312 01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:41,880 the way back to nineteen seventy six. This is Odmars 1313 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,719 Tyree with my super producer Valerie Denise Jones. Thank you 1314 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,239 very much. You've been my dude for twenty five years. 1315 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,119 He always gonna represent old school. I'm always gonna have 1316 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:56,039 a question the retro movement. Tell everybody and get your 1317 01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,320 news right here in New York Knicks, he said, And 1318 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,800 six Old Mar's going wide and see all right, guys, 1319 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,039 retro movement spread the word. 1320 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,039 Speaker 2: Dynamite. 1321 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:09,320 Speaker 3: Man. 1322 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,119 Speaker 2: That was awesome. 1323 01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't get into all that question. I was 1324 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,760 gonna ask, but we wrapped it up one hour. Got 1325 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,519 to a whole lot of stuff I didn't know you 1326 01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:20,079 and you perfect and time for the game. 1327 01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:23,199 Speaker 2: Now you get something to eat underlined at eight thirty. 1328 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,559 Speaker 1: They really ain't gonna start until like eight thirty seven 1329 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:26,800 or so, you know what I mean. 1330 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 2: With all the you know, they got all. 1331 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: The celebrities out there, it's glorious, man, But we're gonna 1332 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,360 keep doing this retro thing. I'm trying to get Lady 1333 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,960 b On, who's Philadelphia legend, And I've been calling for 1334 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,000 the last two weeks. 1335 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 2: You got I mean, it's to try to get Lady 1336 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:41,239 B on. 1337 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,800 Speaker 1: Because that's the person that was our mister magic in Philadelphia. 1338 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,800 Well remember being radio and we waited for her to 1339 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,559 play them new joints, you know what I mean. 1340 01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:51,679 Speaker 2: And Lady B she just had her start in. 1341 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:54,280 Speaker 1: Philadelphia on Broad Street and I got a piece of that. 1342 01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:56,719 So we're gonna keep doing this. I'm in a story 1343 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,639 and that's what I do as a book writer, and 1344 01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,079 so this has been great. Man, all these years, I 1345 01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:04,320 didn't know you was dad going Virginia State Royalty because 1346 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,119 they got a lot of hot producers. Right now is 1347 01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,199 a brother out of Virginia called Bank b I n K. 1348 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,960 That's happer to even produced. I'm gonna get close to him, dude. 1349 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,760 I got me and my dude Browns. We're gonna get 1350 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,920 Banks to try to get his record. You know, my 1351 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:21,360 son Grioinoy is doing his thing. But it's like, dude, 1352 01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:24,679 I guess the grind that we had. 1353 01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Like it's just a different, man. 1354 01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,920 Speaker 1: It's different because now you gotta beag people to get 1355 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,840 involved with stuff. 1356 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 2: But you figure they would already. 1357 01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:35,039 Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, I got Bank wanted to 1358 01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:37,199 do a record with you that you know what I mean? 1359 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,239 Speaker 2: Come on, man, like, are you kidding me? This dude? 1360 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,480 I checked his resume. 1361 01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,679 Speaker 1: D being has done like dude, I had no idea 1362 01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:48,119 he had done so many that I didn't know. 1363 01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:49,039 Speaker 2: Mister Cheeks was. 1364 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Out of dad going queen, mister Cheeks laws boys, I 1365 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:59,559 don't know that. Ye all right, man, wrap it up, 1366 01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:01,840 have it good night. Tonight we're gonna go ahead and 1367 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,519 chop this thing up, cut it up. 1368 01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:05,199 Speaker 2: And have a great time. And thanks Deve. 1369 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 3: Not a problem anytime. Appreciate how you got it. 1370 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,320 Speaker 1: It's restaurant like Shordan back in Chicago, Punk rock Techoe, 1371 01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:18,320 scarf face, Aupatino, Goo Sleeves, The Don No Hawaiian. 1372 01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:21,599 Speaker 2: By Vote, Star Wars, High and Snow No col Bros, 1373 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,360 g I Show, New York City, South Post, Accessame Street, 1374 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,639 el Mo Camera, Moe is snow Mo. 1375 01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: No Mos means no mo. 1376 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:30,159 Speaker 2: It's rain,

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The Retro Movement

Valerie Denise Jones

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