THE RETRO MOVEMENT with Omar Tyree | Episode 4 | Special Guest: Paulette Henson

June 25, 2026

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THE RETRO MOVEMENT with Omar Tyree | Episode 4 (with Music) | Featuring Paulette Henson

Welcome to The Retro Movement, the Zoom interview series hosted by NAACP Image Award winner and New York Times bestselling author Omar Tyree. Dedicated to "REspecting The ROots," the show explores the stories, journeys, and legacies of influential writers, musicians, filmmakers, entrepreneurs, educators, activists, and media professionals who continue to shape culture around the world.

In Episode 4, Omar sits down with Paulette Henson, Founder, CEO, and Editor-in-Chief of BWA Magazine, an internationally recognized publication dedicated to amplifying the voices of authors, entrepreneurs, and thought leaders. A licensed cosmetologist for more than 40 years, accomplished entrepreneur, business coach, author, and speaker, Paulette has devoted her career to empowering others through education, literacy, and professional development. Currently pursuing her Doctor of Education (EdD) after earning her MBA, she shares her remarkable journey of building a global media platform that inspires storytellers, promotes business leaders, and creates lasting legacies across the world.

Produced by Valerie Denise Jones, The Retro Movement is a weekly series featuring celebrities, industry leaders, and changemakers whose stories inspire generations. Every episode preserves history while creating new conversations for the future.

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1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: The Retro Movement hosted by Omar Tyree, produced by Valerie 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,759 Denise Jones. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Ta That Coaching, Tald That Life. 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Omar Tiree, Celebrity Night, Central, move MOE, Big Conversation Stories 5 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:31,679 and so produced by Valerie Denise Jones. Keeping It Got 6 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:35,759 and we're back again. This is old mart Tyried, the 7 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,200 wholest of the retro movement with my super producer, Valerie 8 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,840 Denise Jones. And today we have a West Coast guest. 9 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,200 We had paul Lett Henson who was a CEO and 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,960 founder of Black Women Office Magazine. But she started in 11 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:56,359 cosmopology and had the hairshops for a minute. Forty years 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,359 she was hustling and bustling with the hairshops. But she's 13 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,600 in collar. But when I talk to her, I know 14 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:06,879 she's not originally from California, because everybody moves to California 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,920 for some place in the South. So let's invite on 16 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,840 paul Lett Hanson from California and we're going to get 17 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:17,959 it in respect the roots. The retrol movement is back again. 18 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,120 Thanks for coming on, paul Lett. 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,079 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for having me. Omar. I'm 20 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:24,480 happy to be here today. 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 1: That's great. That's great. Okay, Now I want to come 22 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,480 right out the date. You're in California, but your roots 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,680 are not from California. Where are your people originally from? 24 00:01:35,799 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: So my people are originally from Winnsboro, Winnsboro, Texas, Okay. 25 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,359 And so that's about sixty miles east of Dallas, Okay. 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,959 That's that's where I originated. My parents and their parents 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:03,000 and so from there. You know, my parents were childhood sweethearts. 28 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,239 So I was the first of the first. 29 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,879 Speaker 1: So you were the first and only first of the first. 30 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:18,199 Speaker 2: I was. It was their first time, and then I 31 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:22,120 was the first baby. So they got pregnant after the 32 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:22,840 first time. 33 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,199 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's the story you're selling us. The first 34 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,560 time they actually went in and went to that home run. Wow, 35 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 home run. So they told you that story. Then they 36 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,400 had to tell you that that was it. 37 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,199 Speaker 2: Yes, do you know that I was the first of 38 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,199 the first. So with that being said, my parents then 39 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:54,080 shuffled to California to you know, kind of attached with 40 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,840 family and grow and figure out what they were going 41 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,919 to do with their lives. So at that time, my 42 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,560 dad he played the guitar, and so he played by 43 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,879 ear so he could he got jobs with all of 44 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,680 the famous artists that came to town if they needed 45 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:18,280 a guitarist. You know, he didn't have to practice or anything. 46 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,879 He just knew the songs and would just jump in. 47 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,280 And so I grew up in my earlier years, you know, 48 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,520 with him while my mom was nursing at the hospital. 49 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 You know, he would be practicing and playing. It was 50 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:41,479 like a concert all the time. So sol I was 51 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:47,400 a daddy's girl. Yes, And so with that, my parents, 52 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,840 you know, they were very very young and they didn't 53 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,199 remain together. So my mom went her way, my dad 54 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,199 went his way, and then my mom remarried, and so 55 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,719 this new father was really the father that instilled the 56 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,879 next foundation. You know. I was his daddy's girl. And 57 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,199 so we went to all the Dodger games and my 58 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:22,319 parents were huge sports fans, so they had season tickets 59 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,000 for like Dodgers, Lakers and Rams at the time. 60 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:27,639 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so. 61 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: I was always it was. 62 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: A small crowd. Yeah. 63 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: It was either poker night on Fridays and you know 64 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Domino's on the weekends, barbecue, so it was always, you know, 65 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,079 something going on at our house. 66 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:50,399 Speaker 3: No brothers and sisters, So my sister did not come 67 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:54,759 until I was eighteen, So I was literally an only 68 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,839 child for eighteen years. 69 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:01,759 Speaker 1: Wow. And the same parents who had the sister after 70 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,680 that long time. 71 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:06,439 Speaker 2: No, that was with the new dad. And so even 72 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:06,839 with the. 73 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: New dad, you was with the new dad since what 74 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,560 like four years old? How old? 75 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,319 Speaker 2: And it's about five years old? 76 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's five to eighteen before they did and 77 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,439 you was not his child, so that was their first 78 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:25,079 natural child. It's that thirteen years out. Yes, wow, did 79 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,160 you ask them about that, like what's going on? 80 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,319 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, as an only child 81 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,439 or of course you have everything, but it's really not 82 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,120 about that. You want somebody to play with, you know. 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,279 And you admire people that have sisters and brothers because 84 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:46,639 they always have somebody to play games with and all 85 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,879 of those things. So I had cousins, and of course 86 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:53,759 when I hung out with them, most of them were boys, 87 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:59,600 so it was like, you know, playing baseball and football 88 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,920 and all of that. And so my dad so. 89 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: You were, you were a tomboy too. 90 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,079 Speaker 2: Then I wasn't little. I had to be because you know, 91 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,319 we were playing baseball, you know, those games they would 92 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,399 continue from the last time we hung out, right, So 93 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:19,360 my dad what one of my cousins. I was always 94 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:23,199 the first basement. So my cousin would light me up, 95 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:25,319 you know, throwing the ball to me. He was like 96 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:29,120 a pitcher in his little little league, and so I 97 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,920 would cry about that. So my dad, you know, we practice, 98 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,000 and you know, he started throwing the ball harder and 99 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:39,279 showing me how to catch the ball, and so you know, 100 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,839 I was ready for him. So so those. 101 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: Are so you didn't really grow up in Texas at all, y'all. Y'all, 102 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,839 y'all moved from Texas to California, California. 103 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: We lived in Guardena, and so I spent Guardina's really 104 00:06:55,079 --> 00:07:02,120 special place. I spent gosh, my elementary and middle school there. 105 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,800 I went to Catholic school, and so that was different 106 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:10,600 for I went there to almost the whole time in 107 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:17,319 elementary and middle school. And so but I'm still close 108 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:20,879 to a lot of those people from that time. I 109 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,879 will say, one of the guys that sat next. 110 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: And we're talking about Texas, we're. 111 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:30,319 Speaker 2: Talking no, we're talking about La California. One of the 112 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:34,639 guys you just never know who's gonna be who He 113 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,279 used to sit next to me. He and this other 114 00:07:37,319 --> 00:07:42,800 guy in class and they would talk, you know, between 115 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,079 the two, and then I would get in trouble for 116 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:48,240 talking too because I'm laughing or you know, kind of 117 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:52,160 chiming in here and there. But one of the guys 118 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,279 is his name is Judge Kevin Ross, and he is 119 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:58,360 he has a TV show. I don't know if you've 120 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:03,000 heard of him or seen him, but yeah. So so 121 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:06,519 it's it's a lot of people that I've grown up with, 122 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:10,480 you know, they've become you know, big, big time people 123 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,959 in the world. And so from from that part of 124 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:21,399 California high school, we moved to up in the hills 125 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:32,720 to a really big place. It was called Heights, million 126 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:37,720 dollar properties, and you know, somehow. 127 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: Money to do that was that moles money, the new 128 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:42,240 dad's money had. 129 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: It was my dad's money. And so we we we 130 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,559 got a really they got a really good deal in 131 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,799 that house. This was back in the late seventies. And 132 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:58,759 and so we moved there. And so when I went 133 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:04,960 to school, I was the only black person. Wow, every 134 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,360 class all four years. 135 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,879 Speaker 1: Wow. Now again, one of the reason why I wanted 136 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:12,799 to ask you where you was from was you have 137 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,960 this long labor talk and it sounds southern and old. 138 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: So yes, it is not to be an old. 139 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: Soul like you listen to your mom and pop a 140 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:24,600 lot like that does not sound California. I've been to 141 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:29,799 college a hundred times, so where you poke up this talk? 142 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,279 Speaker 2: So this comes from so while if we circle back 143 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,360 to me being a little kid, and so my parents 144 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:44,480 are working, and so I stayed with She was my 145 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:48,480 great aunt. My grandmother had passed away by that time, 146 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:55,919 so she was a hustler. When I got there, she 147 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:58,399 had told me her story that basically her and her 148 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:03,919 husband they so corn liquor and they made like a 149 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:04,919 million bucks. 150 00:10:06,279 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: And they were from California. 151 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: This was no, it wasn't in California when they did that. 152 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:14,759 They were in. 153 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: Texas, they Teas. 154 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: So they came, they moved to California, yes, bought a 155 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,559 house and and they put their daughter, who I call 156 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:31,120 my other grandmother, they put her through boarding school, private 157 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:36,159 boarding school, and she went to USC during the depression. 158 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:43,399 And so so after that, moving forward, she ended up 159 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:47,600 after her husband passed away, she ended up purchasing or 160 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:54,799 getting like thirteen women that were sort of mentally ill, okay, 161 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,360 and she she created a group home, like she built 162 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,759 another house in back of her house. 163 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: For a mental health facility for people that. 164 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:06,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were okay, they weren't like bad, they 165 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:13,159 just couldn't be. Yeah. But you know, like when you 166 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,840 say when people think that, they think, oh, well they 167 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,320 crazy or these ladies really weren't crazy. They had a 168 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,200 little bit of offness, but they weren't bad. 169 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: And so well all of us got a little bit 170 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:27,919 of the whole world. 171 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, right, So they were there and I 172 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:38,639 was like their baby. They loved me, and and so 173 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:41,039 that during and. 174 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,639 Speaker 1: You picked up this long labor and talk from them. 175 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,039 Speaker 2: From from them, because during that time, you know, I 176 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,240 was around them a lot. We were going fishing. We 177 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,919 had another house that we went, you know, we would 178 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,559 go fishing at that beach house or whatever you want 179 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,679 to call it. Yeah, so I think back in that 180 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,519 and that part is where I get that from. Okay, 181 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:10,919 my other grandmother was a school teacher. She's take me 182 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,399 to school with her when I was out of school, 183 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:16,679 and then after that she take me to the racetrack 184 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:19,480 and then I had to read the programs and then 185 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:23,080 you know, bet on the horses, and so so I 186 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,320 learned how to do that. 187 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:28,039 Speaker 1: What I want to go back to you going to 188 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,799 school as the only black girl. Because now I'm listening 189 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,120 to you talk years later, you'll hear what did they 190 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,559 say about your talk? Now you went there with all 191 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,720 white girls. I got to hear this, what did they 192 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:40,639 say about how you communicate? 193 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,039 Speaker 2: Well? Then, at first I was shy, I was a 194 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,639 little I was kind of nervous because my dad we 195 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,000 went to the counselor, and the counselor was saying, like, okay, 196 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,200 is she going to have problems, you know, being out 197 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,120 of her culture? And you know, because there was only 198 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:05,440 twenty of us in the whole school out of like 199 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,360 three thousand kids, and. 200 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,639 Speaker 1: You were the only one in your class. 201 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: In every class all four years. Yeah, and so, but 202 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,879 I will have to say that I never felt like 203 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:23,720 I was any different. Okay, they treated me like I 204 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:28,000 was just another kid. I thought that, especially this one class. 205 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,960 This guy, he was the English teacher, very strict. You know, 206 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:34,879 back then teachers wore suits to class. 207 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: So this was Catholic school. 208 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: No, this was this was high school. 209 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,879 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah school, Yeah, I. 210 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: Was after Catholic school. So he so I'm thinking, okay, 211 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,120 well I'm just gonna just be right here, stick to myself, 212 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,639 don't look at anybody, and maybe he won't call on me. 213 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:57,799 You know, he's not gonna want to embarrass me or 214 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,000 anything like that. Yeah, all of a sudden, he's like 215 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,240 miss Henson, you know, and I had to answer the question. 216 00:14:04,279 --> 00:14:06,639 You had to stand up and then say whatever. 217 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,039 Speaker 1: I got to hear it. So what happened when you 218 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,840 stand up with this long labor Because I'm from Philadelphia 219 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:16,799 and I was everything with so I can just imagine 220 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:18,000 you standing up in front of me. 221 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:20,639 Speaker 2: Well, I gave him the answer. I gave him the 222 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:25,279 answer because at that moment I refused to I knew 223 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,639 that I was educated and I could speak, but just 224 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:33,799 because I was alone so to speak, I knew that 225 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:37,559 I had to represent myself, you know, because this was 226 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:40,200 my time, Like I don't know any of these kids, 227 00:14:40,799 --> 00:14:43,480 and either it's gonna go good or it's not gonna 228 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:47,120 go good. And so I gave him the answer, and 229 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,320 he did correct me on a couple of things, and 230 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,720 then he's like, very good, very good. And so then 231 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:57,639 after that it kind of it was okay. I networked 232 00:14:57,639 --> 00:15:02,000 with some of the other black kids school and and. 233 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: Soa man, you're telling me, you're telling me None of 234 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:08,799 these kids was like heavy up, speed up like you, 235 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,120 because I listened to you talk all the time and 236 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:13,720 I'm like heavy up, very up, verry up. Them kids 237 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,039 didn't do that. They were just nice and calm. 238 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:16,879 Speaker 2: And they were cool. 239 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: You know. 240 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: It was like a fine show. When I think back, 241 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:29,600 it was it was cool. I never experienced anybody, you know, 242 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,480 not wanting to sit next to me or nothing. 243 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Like, wow, you had a good Yeah. 244 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:40,559 Speaker 2: I really I was fortunate because. 245 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: They considered you a cuty too, where you like a 246 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,320 little cute girl. Back then you're like, hey, did the 247 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,960 little white guys try to talk to you? 248 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,279 Speaker 2: I think so, you know, there were a lot, I 249 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,159 think so you don't know from what I remember the 250 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,159 white guys. Yeah, there were a lot of cute white 251 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,559 guys there. But see what we would do. We connected 252 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,240 with other schools that had black kids, and then like 253 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:06,360 Wednesday night, we go to the skating rink and that 254 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,960 was like the party night. 255 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,399 Speaker 1: You know. And now you're saying we, who's we that 256 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:11,159 you're talking about? 257 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: I mean me and my little clique that I hung around. 258 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,360 So it's twenty of white girls or black girls. So 259 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,519 these are black girls. 260 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: But they didn't go to school with you. 261 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,399 Speaker 2: Yeah they did. 262 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:25,159 Speaker 1: Okay, but you said you was the only one in 263 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:26,200 high school. 264 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,519 Speaker 2: I was. But here's the thing. There's twenty of us 265 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:33,039 total in the school, twenty black kids. 266 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: They weren't in your class, but they weren't. 267 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,759 Speaker 2: We were all separated. We were never in the same class, 268 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:41,559 get it right, Yeah, so we were never in the 269 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,840 same class, and they kind of. 270 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,399 Speaker 1: Went cony flit all up. Okay, we were. 271 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,519 Speaker 2: All split up, and so you know, we built a bond. 272 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,559 We're still friends today, not all of them, but you know, 273 00:16:56,879 --> 00:16:59,879 there's a small core of them that I'm still friends with. 274 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: Say, they were all black money girls, all black money 275 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:10,559 girls that you told me moved up into that neighborhood. 276 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:15,839 Speaker 2: We were the so we were the only family that 277 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:21,160 lived on the hill. My friends, me and another girl 278 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,599 her family lived kind of like a little bit lower, 279 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,440 and then the other ones lived at the bottom of 280 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:28,799 the hill. 281 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: And so, you know, so they did they treat you 282 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,000 like you the top of the hill? Did you did 283 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,160 you feel in that like, hey, you the man, you 284 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,200 you're the girl, and you know you you're the beast, 285 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:42,000 you the one. Did they didn't treat you like that? 286 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: What? Like in a bad way or not in a bad. 287 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: Way like they asked you, you know, to take them 288 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,000 out of step. 289 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:56,559 Speaker 2: You know, when I look back, like, honestly, the way 290 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,519 I lived growing up, I don't live that like that now. 291 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,839 You know, I'm getting there, but I'm not. You know, 292 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,160 I really don't live the lifestyle that I grew up in. 293 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:12,920 And so, you know, we were very fortunate. And and 294 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:18,119 my friends they knew it, but they just like coming 295 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,839 to the house and hanging out. They just like being there. 296 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:25,039 And you know, it was a g. 297 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: So you had your crew with black girlfriends. So y'all 298 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,480 didn't date white guys. You thought they were cute, but 299 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:36,599 you still went after the black We dated black guys. Yeah, yeah, 300 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:39,400 it was that was that influenced by your parents. You know, 301 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,680 you you went to school with all the cute white guys. 302 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,920 How come you end up? Okay? 303 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: So let me see, how do I go back to that? 304 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:55,880 So basically, you fast forward after high school, we're going 305 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,319 into college, right, and we're trying to figure were out. 306 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:01,640 Everybody's trying to figure out. 307 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:03,759 Speaker 1: What they're gonna do so and what college was this? 308 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 2: So I went to Mount Sack Mount San Antonio College 309 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,119 and that's in Walnut, California. So they're famous for their 310 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:16,799 track meets and track events. 311 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,599 Speaker 1: And that, and so you're running track. 312 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:21,519 Speaker 2: I was running track at that time. 313 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: What event did you runing? 314 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:31,599 Speaker 2: Like the one hundred and the relay? Yeah, I was, 315 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,200 I was. 316 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:35,759 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you were go ahead. 317 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:39,839 Speaker 2: So so we get to this school and so now 318 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:44,000 everybody it's like, you know, there's black people everywhere. 319 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,799 Speaker 1: You know. It was just wonderful, wonderful, you call it wonderful. 320 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,839 Speaker 2: It was wonderful. Really. 321 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: I got all the shock, carmel, it got everything. 322 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,039 Speaker 2: And so so that's that's when it really opened up. 323 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:04,400 And then on Fridays they would have like a noon 324 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:09,279 dance and it was big time. They have DJ come, 325 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,240 bring his you know ones and twos, and at twelve 326 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:16,440 on the dot he'd start, you know, playing the music, 327 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:21,000 party people, whatever it was, and we would literally dance 328 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,079 for the entire hour. 329 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I went to college, you know, and 330 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,039 whenever you hung around white folks, they would spike the 331 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,319 drinks with the alcohols like they constantly did that and 332 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,920 the buds. We were into the music and dancing. Whenever 333 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,640 you went to any white parties, they wanted to get drunk. 334 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: Man. 335 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: It was embarrassing too because sometimes you go over there 336 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,200 and the white girls that were in class with you, 337 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,839 they didn't know you from Adam. But then you go 338 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,480 to the party by accident, aren't you in like English class, 339 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:52,880 and they're drunk, and it's like, dude, you gotta get 340 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,599 drunk to talk to me. That was really I went 341 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,920 to Pittsburgh for two years. 342 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: It was crazy, man. 343 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy. 344 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,519 Speaker 2: We didn't have so we didn't really, I mean we 345 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,880 had some crazy people. The kind of crazy stuff they 346 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,279 did in high school was they would like some get 347 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,119 somebody's cow. One time they got a cow and brought 348 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,920 the cow cow school, big cow and he was in 349 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,839 the middle of the field and he had the other 350 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,680 teams you know, colors or whatever, and they had throw 351 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,920 him paint all on the little thing they wrapped around. Yeah. 352 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,400 So they would do stuff like that, or spiked the 353 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:46,039 pool or you know with color, you know, to make 354 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:50,240 it like green, like purple or whatever. You know, So 355 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:52,680 they would do corny stuff like that. 356 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: What kind of grades did you get in high school? 357 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:03,960 You remember that? And the. 358 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you're frozen, Okay, yeah I got And if 359 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,680 I wanted to go out on the weekend, and so 360 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,119 you know, my parents were yah. 361 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:27,039 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I kind of lost them. So I'm gonna 362 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,240 say that with again, what kind of grades did you get? 363 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:31,079 Because it kind of we got kind of colored. 364 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,759 Speaker 2: So I got a's and b's. And in school, my 365 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,920 parents were very strict on that if I wanted to 366 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,240 go out on the weekend or you know, go do something, 367 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:49,920 then I had to have good grades. And so I 368 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,640 struggled a little bit with the the algebra and that 369 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000 my dad just like, no, we're gonna sit here until 370 00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:02,279 you get it. So I got over that, and. 371 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: That that was a class I was killing. I had 372 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,720 Oliguba two start or who or not? I was killing. 373 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,440 The half of science is what did you measure in 374 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,880 once you got to the college level. 375 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,039 Speaker 2: So when I got to the college level, like I said, 376 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,119 I was still kind of trying to figure it out. 377 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,240 I knew I wanted to do hair. I was already 378 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:22,039 doing hair. 379 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: And what age did you start doing hair. We're gonna 380 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,319 go ahead and pivot on that. 381 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I started as a kid. I started with 382 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,200 my dolls, you know they were I started. 383 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: With your dogs, no dolls, like like Garbie dolls. Okay. 384 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I started with them and and then I 385 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:54,599 would do oh gosh, probably like six. 386 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: Six years old okay. 387 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: And I started doing one of my cousins hair. 388 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: How old was that when you start doing your cousin? 389 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: Probably about maybe nine or ten. She had a lot 390 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,119 of hair. 391 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,519 Speaker 1: And how old were you? The cousin was not at ten? 392 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: How old we were both about the same age. Yeah, we're 393 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,559 both about nine years. 394 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,759 Speaker 1: Old, okay. And I had a lot of hair. 395 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: A lot of hair, so I would comb it all out, 396 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,279 wash it, you know, and come you. 397 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: Did all that at nine and ten. Yeah, so you 398 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:27,640 learned that from old hairs in your family. 399 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:28,839 Speaker 2: Then I did. 400 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, so so we go all the way back 401 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:32,960 to college. 402 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: You knew what? So now I'm doing hair. So now 403 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,839 I'm doing my friend's hair, I'm doing people. You know, 404 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,599 we're going to the club tonight, so everybody's at my 405 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,039 house getting their hair done. So I'm doing that. I'm 406 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,839 making money going to school. 407 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: How much are you charging them? Oh god, I did 408 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,559 hair too. 409 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: Twenty five dollars, twenty five dollars. 410 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:58,759 Speaker 1: I was charging five dollars. 411 00:24:58,799 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: Man. 412 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,599 Speaker 1: You know the skills, y'all in shows way more man 413 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,119 is lower than what the women end up being. Okay, 414 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,200 so you were in college twenty five opop. But what 415 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,559 was your major when you wasn't doing cosmetology at that time? 416 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: It was just general ed. I was just taking general 417 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,240 general education because I wasn't sure. You know, one of 418 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,960 my friends, she was trying to get me to go 419 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,359 to the Air Force with her. You know, we have 420 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:33,000 been the Air Force. Yeah, she did go. Yeah, she 421 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,920 she just retired. 422 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,079 Speaker 1: How you would like, I'm not going to Air Force. 423 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,839 Speaker 2: Well, my mom was like, no, you know, you're not 424 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,680 going to the military. You know that's not for you. 425 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:47,039 And so you know that's why, you know, I'm like, okay. 426 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,319 So my grandmother's like, well you have to do something. 427 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,240 You got to get certified. You need to get your education. 428 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,480 So I'm like, okay, I'll go to beauty school. 429 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's in the middle of college because 430 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,319 we're going to get straight Yeah, college general education. Did 431 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,519 you finish it? Did you finish college? 432 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: I did not finish. I ended with I think I 433 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,000 had I don't know, twenty five units at that credits 434 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,240 credit credit yeah, credit. 435 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,519 Speaker 1: Twenty that's only like two years one year. Really, it 436 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,279 was like a year. 437 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: One year. I went a year and a half because 438 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,559 you know what I was, I was partying. 439 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: Like wow, I telling yourself. 440 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: Now, I was going out every night pretty much. I mean, yeah, 441 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,480 that's why I really don't go out like you know, 442 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,079 like that for sure, I don't now, but yeah, I 443 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,599 used to go out every single especially when I turned 444 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,359 twenty one. Oh my gosh. But so in between that point. 445 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,519 Speaker 1: You needed that family discipline. EVE been in the college level, 446 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:52,079 you know what I mean. 447 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: I knew, yeah, and I realized that. Yeah, my parents were. 448 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,440 So my mom was like, okay, I was going to 449 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:03,400 go to University of fiend Poix or I think that's 450 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,680 the name of it, Arizona University of Arizona. Yeah. So 451 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:14,400 I did go there and that was really cool. But 452 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,920 I was going with one of the girls that I 453 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,160 hung with, and so the one that we didn't get 454 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,079 in trouble. But my mom just felt like it's just 455 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,200 gonna be a party, you know, like the whole time. 456 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,039 And you know, maybe I wasn't serious enough. I mean, 457 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:35,519 I will, you know, it was a lot. So so 458 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,680 my friends at the time, this one girl and and 459 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,839 this other one. One of them got accepted. We were 460 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:50,680 all trying to be uh NFL cheerleaders, right, so right cheerleaders. 461 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I told you I toallow you. 462 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,559 Speaker 2: So I am five to three and that's why three. 463 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,759 But now the other girls were taller. 464 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,319 Speaker 1: Okay, you would, you would the shortest. 465 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,279 Speaker 2: I was the shortest one five three, But I could 466 00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,160 do all of those, you know, I could. 467 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: Right, okay, and drip of the girls and flipping stuff 468 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,960 is at the top of you five three. Yeah. 469 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: So at that time, they you know, you had to 470 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,400 be a certain height. So I wasn't able to get in. 471 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,480 So one of the girls she got in. She was 472 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:32,720 a raidar rat. She was on the radio. 473 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: And that was in Oakland, Oakland, California. 474 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: Well, by this they had they were in l A okay, 475 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:46,119 l A Raiders and so that got us into every radio. 476 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: Now y'all hanging out with her. She got the tickets and. 477 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,079 Speaker 2: The Yeah, so we're we're everywhere everywhere the guys are, 478 00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:01,480 where their party, you know everything. So time I had 479 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,680 a party and we decided to one of my friends 480 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,880 was they had a day party, pool party at their 481 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400 house and then the after party was going to be 482 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,519 the night party at my house. Okay, So so you know, 483 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:21,079 everything went good. The one the one girl was dating 484 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:22,839 Eric Dickerson. 485 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: And whoa, that's my favorite dude. Man, you're kidding me. 486 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,920 I was a big Eric Dickersons man. I had a 487 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,440 car to Eric Dickinson when I was in my senior 488 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,799 year high school. Yeah, the dude. Man, they still try 489 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,319 to break his record. Yeah, go ahead, Eric Dickerson, go ahead. 490 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: Eric Dickerson shows up at the day party. He and 491 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:48,799 a couple of guys and so I can't really remember, 492 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,200 but and so we're just, you know, everybody, the party's 493 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:57,160 jumping off, and so they're telling him like, hey, you 494 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,519 got to come to the night party. Going to be 495 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,880 off the chain, you know, because the house, you know, 496 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,039 it is gonna be at my house. So sure enough, 497 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,279 he brought the whole the whole line, the offensive line. 498 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: They all Los Angeles Rams. 499 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,519 Speaker 2: Was that Rams? Okay, so that was Rams. So these guys, 500 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:24,359 so all these guys come to the house. So my 501 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,119 dad is looking. He's like, is that Eric Dickerson? And 502 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,160 I was like yeah. So he goes to the liquor store, 503 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,880 he gets a keg and brings it, you know, for 504 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,799 the guys, and then he's out there talking He's calling 505 00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,559 all his buddy's like, man, I got all these guys. 506 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,480 Wow right now, Like we're having a party. All these 507 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:50,720 people show up, and so yeah, it was a good time. 508 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,079 So I'm saying I'm tying that in because that kind 509 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:01,039 of fueled all of the going out and all of 510 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,799 that from that point on, because now I'm in a 511 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:09,440 circle of people and I'm meeting you know, celebrity, all 512 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:10,200 kinds of people. 513 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,279 Speaker 1: So oh so now you win the end crowd. Now, boy, 514 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:17,119 you like the Johnson and Lakers. You were the Verdus, 515 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,559 the Rams you So you in California girl for real. 516 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,359 Speaker 2: Now, so I'm you know, at the Centry Club, you know, 517 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:26,279 every Thursday, I mean every night. 518 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: A name Eric Dickerson is the famous famous for football 519 00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:35,160 and he still had that extroverted personality Eric Dickerson. He 520 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:35,519 got that. 521 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,039 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was very much, very cool. Yeah, we 522 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,359 we had some great times. And so that just fueled 523 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,559 that whole party scene where you know, I'm in Hollywood, 524 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680 I'm in Beverly Hills, bel Air, going to party and. 525 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: You're still throwing hair. When did you get your doing hair? 526 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: So I got my hair license when I was twenty two. 527 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's fresh out of college that same time period. 528 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,839 Speaker 2: And then I immediately. 529 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: As we charged in once you got that license, which 530 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400 you was it twenty five hours times four? What was it? Then? 531 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,799 Speaker 2: No, I did go get some professional training. 532 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:18,599 Speaker 1: You know. 533 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: I went to an older lady that my grandmother knew. 534 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,880 She owned five salons in l a and so she 535 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,359 just taught me the whole game. And just you know, 536 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,160 she knew I had a talent, which I learned how 537 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,680 to sew hair on from one of the girls. 538 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: That was the extensions and the brig. 539 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,759 Speaker 2: I learned how because one of the girls that was 540 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,759 a cheerleader she needed hair. 541 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: You need it, let her. 542 00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: You gotta figure this out. Maade me learn myself how 543 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,559 to do it. And so you know which I I'm 544 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,400 thankful because I ended up making a lot of money 545 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,279 doing well. 546 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: Were you charging? She said twenty five? When she would start, 547 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,240 she start charging that come on, now give it up. 548 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: So I didn't start charging it was a thousand and up. 549 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: But do you hear this, I knew it. 550 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,319 Speaker 2: That's not idut of school. I didn't just go out 551 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,160 of school and start charging on thousand dollars. It didn't 552 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,000 happen like that. 553 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: So what's the graduate I charged. 554 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: Let's say I started like maybe one hundred dollars, okay, 555 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,880 you know things and uh, and then I started working 556 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,799 in the mall. I started working at this really ritzy 557 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:47,000 salon in the mall. Was all white, and but they 558 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:47,839 knew I could. 559 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: Do good work. So you can do white hair too, 560 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:52,279 white hair. 561 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 562 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:56,759 Speaker 1: So because when I was at the barber shops town, 563 00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,160 they picked certain people. Man, I'm waiting for so and so. 564 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they work that. Yes, what they're tipping you to. 565 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: In the barber shop. They get the tips out, especially 566 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,239 doing the drug dealer days. Yeah they too. 567 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would get great tips, so much so that 568 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:21,159 literally I would work all day and then then go 569 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,639 shopping from you know, cause I gotta wear you outfit. 570 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,679 Speaker 1: There we go California girl getting the money. 571 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: And this she go shopping kind of go shopping. I 572 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,559 buy shoes, you know, an outfit. What am I gonna wear? 573 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,679 My purse whatever? So and then go home, get ready 574 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,199 and then you know, go to the club, whatever night. Whatever. 575 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,480 You did that in your twenties. Twenty is that for probably? Yeah? 576 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,840 About at least I want to say five years straight. 577 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's twenty two to twenty seven. You and 578 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,679 the problem because you're still young looking and all that 579 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360 got But you five three, did you wear heels and stuff? 580 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:04,719 Some of the California people get talked, Yeah, stileto with 581 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,199 five inches. I told with the heels you would trying 582 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,159 to step back because you five three, you step in 583 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:11,800 with the biggest girls, the cheerleaders and stuff. I know. 584 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, see the thing and that was the thing. We 585 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,239 we went out so much like I never we never 586 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,679 waited in line to get in the club. We walk 587 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,559 to the door. 588 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,159 Speaker 1: To walk right in. Girl, did you have like, did 589 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,480 y'all have like some superstars in your crew that was 590 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,840 really stand out? So you like, was y'all kind of 591 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,239 equal or you had growing up with it? All the 592 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,639 guys wanted to talk to her, and y'all got kind 593 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,480 of because sometimes you see women that's hanging out together 594 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,800 and you got one girl getting all the love and 595 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,000 the other one was kind of angry. 596 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: And no, I think we were, you know, everybody was 597 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:56,360 on point. You know, everybody balanced. 598 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: Y'all don't had that big imbalance. 599 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:02,639 Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember having an imbalanced you know, 600 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,079 we it was good times wherever we went. You know, 601 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,480 we we had our different clicks that we hung around 602 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,159 and people you know that were throwing parties. My best 603 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:18,280 friend at the time. Uh, he's still my best friend. 604 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: He won a gold medal friend. 605 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he dj the big party that I had. 606 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,400 So his name is Mike Powell. He's a long jumper, 607 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,760 you probably, and so his record, Yeah, so his record 608 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,960 has not been broke. Yeah. He used to jump over my. 609 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: Car when he was basketball. Didn't guys get up? 610 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Yeah? Yeah, so so he you know, sometimes 611 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,559 I would see him here and there in the club 612 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:57,639 and gosh, I mean I would see people like Mike Tyson, 613 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:08,039 all the celebrity, these l L cool jes out there too. 614 00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,800 I was getting I was getting in the elevator to 615 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,760 go to the club and he was coming out. He 616 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440 was in the elevator, but I realized he was like 617 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,519 my height. I thought it was that. 618 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,119 Speaker 1: You get out of here, wesleyne is that short? He's tall, 619 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,159 and he's got to be about five. No, he got 620 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:29,960 to be taller than that. 621 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,159 Speaker 2: No, he's he's not. He's not tall. I was wow 622 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,320 fairest because you know, I knew it was him, and 623 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,639 I didn't want to like look at him, but I 624 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:46,880 couldn't believe he was that short. You know, Oh my god, 625 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:48,800 he ain't that you had heels on. 626 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,639 Speaker 1: I gotta see how I get. I'm thinking he at 627 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,239 least is five No, you had. 628 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,519 Speaker 2: If anything, he's like five four or in the world. 629 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna show everybody would have to check Wesley Snipes, 630 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,840 Wikipedia or height thing to look it up. People out 631 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,039 that check that. But anyway, so you hanging around all 632 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,760 the gets set people out there in LA and you're 633 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,519 still in your twenties, your late twenties. Yeah, so you 634 00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:22,719 said you did five years of that change, No. 635 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: Thirty five years, probably starting from eighteen. Okay, let's go back, 636 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,880 because I was getting in clubs before I was twenty one. 637 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they get you all in it. Let them in, 638 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:35,719 Let them in. 639 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,519 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know. 640 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,559 Speaker 1: They're breaking the rules and they don't need no ideas 641 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,519 you're getting. Yeah, and you can get in trouble with 642 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,360 that too. In the East Coast they were getting in 643 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,000 trouble with the girls with no ideas. 644 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. 645 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: So okay, so in your twenties, okay, did you make 646 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,400 a transition, because now you're getting money doing the hair thing. 647 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,159 Speaker 2: I want to keep getting money doing their hair. I 648 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,039 was invited to so this is funny too. One time 649 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,559 I was invited to a trunk party, right okay, because 650 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,119 you know, he had a plane and he's rich guy, 651 00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,920 blah blah blah. And I was like, no, you know, 652 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,159 I'm not. I just didn't feel that that was the 653 00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:21,840 scene I wanted to be into. So I'm going to 654 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,960 this other party in bell Air somewhere, and I was 655 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,719 calling my friend, Hey, what's the address. So his brother 656 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,800 picks up the phone and he's like, well, they left already. 657 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,480 I know the address, you know, come pick me up. 658 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,199 So I'm like, okay, you know, I'll be right there. 659 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,039 I ended up picking him up and we ended up 660 00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:48,039 actually getting married, you know, from that particular wow. 661 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was a heck of a ride. He 662 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,360 was gaming you up, throwing that ride. He was really 663 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,519 feeling it. Well. 664 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 2: You know, we ended up going to dinner, and we 665 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,199 ended up not going to that party because it was 666 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,760 too many people. Like when we got there, it was 667 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,480 just it was too much, and so we just hung 668 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:13,760 out often and so they would have it. Look at this, yeah, yeah, 669 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,440 this is. 670 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,599 Speaker 1: The retro movement. Man, she's unwrapping this the kind of 671 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:20,800 stuff where you don't know and who you asked gouse, 672 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,239 I didn't know you. You got a desa, And so 673 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,480 you end up not going to the party pistol, But 674 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,760 you end up with a dude that his game was great, 675 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,559 and y'all went to dinner and the game had a degree. 676 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:33,599 You end up marrying it. 677 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 2: I married him. We had a son. He's gone now, 678 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,440 he passed. He passed. God, it spent some years now. 679 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,599 But so that you know, thank you. 680 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: So what what did your best male friends say about that? Like, 681 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,360 because I tell you got you got the best people. 682 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: Then Michael Michael was doing the Olympics, he and Carl 683 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,159 you know that Michael, that's his name, Michael what Powell? 684 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,679 Speaker 1: Michael Powell was your boyfriend and not your boy your 685 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:06,239 best friend. 686 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,679 Speaker 2: Well he well we had a time where he was 687 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,000 my boyfriend, but he was. 688 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, Michael Fole. He was in the Olympics, Eric Dickinson, 689 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,159 Michael Fole. And you didn't want to look at Wesley Snice. 690 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,000 I think he's taller than what you're saying he is. 691 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,199 And then you got end up with a husband and 692 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,760 you took to the party, y'all couldn't get in and 693 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,920 y'all kick it, have a son the whole n Yeah, 694 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,719 Now you stopped going to as many parties. When when 695 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,280 that happened? 696 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 2: So when I met him, you know, he was six 697 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,519 years older than me, So it's like now going out 698 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:47,639 with an older man and he's you know, taking me. Yeah, 699 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,480 but it was different, you know it. He's taken me 700 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:56,000 to like different kind of nightclubs with older boys, jazz 701 00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,119 and grown folks stuff. Right, So that was a lot 702 00:41:59,159 --> 00:41:59,559 of fun. 703 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,199 Speaker 1: A young girl with the growl. You know, we get 704 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,920 clopted and I got my little young girl in here 705 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:08,920 club all right. Yeah? 706 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so that was you know, that was a 707 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:18,039 learning experience too, because you know, I'm like now, you know, 708 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,519 I'm married, I have a baby. And but before that, 709 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:28,280 right before, maybe like two years before that, I landed a. 710 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,559 Speaker 1: Job, a government job, okay, and while you were still 711 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:37,199 doing hair. Yeah okay, so. 712 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:38,519 Speaker 2: I never stopped doing hair. 713 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: I was all, why did you want this government job? 714 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,360 Did you apply for that? 715 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 2: Because I wanted I needed my bread and butter? Like, honestly, 716 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,079 the hair business, you. 717 00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 1: Wasn't the hair wasn't making it, you spending it all 718 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,440 when you go shopping and partying. 719 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 2: Right, So the discipline for me, like I needed to 720 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,639 get paid every two weeks, you know, because otherwise I'm 721 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:03,960 going shopping every day. 722 00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I have been a government job to 723 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,559 be more structured. I'm want to be instructured paycheck so 724 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:12,320 I can learn how to keep my money. 725 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:20,639 Speaker 2: Discipline. Yeah, I had no discipline when I mean, I 726 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:24,199 am telling all myself. A lot of people don't admit this. 727 00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:29,639 You know, my my mom, I mean we we shopped 728 00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:34,719 every weekend at extensive store. We spent eight hours in 729 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,440 NeiMa Marcus eight times. 730 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: You got this government job, and that was to mellow you. 731 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:41,920 Ohiut to stop you from spinning up all your other 732 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:43,159 I had. 733 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,679 Speaker 2: A miss a miscommunication, like what I grew up in 734 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,280 is not I can't sustain that lifestyle. So that was 735 00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,639 that was the mix up. So I knew that, Okay, 736 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,239 I need to get a job where you know, I 737 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,920 know I'll have a check. I could still make my 738 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,639 money doing hair, but I'll have a little bit more 739 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,519 discipline when it comes to my spending, you know. 740 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,559 Speaker 1: And how long did that last? Because you said there's 741 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:16,280 like the tangent. 742 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,679 Speaker 2: I worked there for thirty years. I returned, oh. 743 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,159 Speaker 1: Sweat, all right, I thought of like that. So you 744 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:23,960 stayed there. 745 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I stayed there for thirty years. 746 00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: But you still was doing hair on the side. Yeah, 747 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:34,239 I own the shop. Did you own the shop? Okay? 748 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 2: So the salon, the salon I landed in. It was 749 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,639 literally twenty minutes from my job. And so the owner. Yeah, yeah. 750 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,400 So the owner, she's like, you know, Paula, I want 751 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,639 to get rid of the shop. You know, I'm gonna 752 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:52,519 give it to you. 753 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: And look at this, she's gonna give it to you. 754 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,679 Look at this. Boy, you're just all over. Look at this. 755 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,000 Go ahead, she's gonna give you. 756 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 2: He was shocked. She goes, but I have to. I 757 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,239 have to charge you, you know, because of the paperwork. 758 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,400 And so so she's like, okay, ten dollars, and I 759 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,719 was like what She's like, it's ten dollars, you can 760 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,559 have everything. 761 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: So are you go ahead? Two dollars to get her shop? 762 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,320 Go ahead? 763 00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? I gave her the ten And you know, in the. 764 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: Shop, what year was this? How old were you then? 765 00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 2: Let me see it. I was thirties by this time. 766 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,320 I was like in my thirties. 767 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:42,599 Speaker 4: So this is in the nineties now, Yeah, yeah, because 768 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,920 my second son was born after I own the shop. 769 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, the second son. Okay, so same same husband. 770 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 2: No, he had he was gone by then he had 771 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,480 passed away, so I had then met someone else. 772 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: So so how long were y'all married? And now I'm 773 00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,199 not trying to get these chronology right now. 774 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:09,519 Speaker 2: So I was married my older one. Our kid was 775 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,760 nine years old when he passed. 776 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so right, you know, and then you got married 777 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,920 in your twenties, so then you end up in the 778 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,519 thirties and then you got remarried. 779 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,519 Speaker 2: I didn't get married. I dated someone and then I 780 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:31,079 had a child, so okay, yeah, so where was I. 781 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you talked about your second son, and we're 782 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,280 talking about the ten dollars. You end up with a 783 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,280 hand ten dollars. You still got your government job for 784 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,159 your stability. Now you got the stability and you got 785 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,880 the outside hustle. So that's where we are. Ten dollars. 786 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,199 So now you're taking over the shop. Let's picked up 787 00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:48,599 from there. 788 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so from the shop I took it over. I 789 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,199 had worked with those people for since I don't know, 790 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,239 ten years. By now I would have you know where 791 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,639 we're like, yeah, and. 792 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: So theyel already knew you too. Then it's just like everybody. 793 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So she was the only person that left. So 794 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,679 it was me and there was three other guys that 795 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,880 they were experts at color cutting. They were Hispanic men. 796 00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,760 They're all gay, which it doesn't matter, but you know 797 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,320 we were. It was this us And. 798 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,199 Speaker 1: So you got a shop of like five people. Yeah, 799 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,159 and then you all making good money. Yeah, but you 800 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,559 still got a government job. 801 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,039 Speaker 2: Well, I had a high spending. 802 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: So okay, what is your government job? What was your 803 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,159 specific duties? We know it's his government job. What were 804 00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:44,480 you doing? 805 00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,639 Speaker 2: So I started off the first ten years I was 806 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,679 a dispatcher, okay. And so it's it's called the Air 807 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,480 Quality Management District South Coast AQ and D and they 808 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:04,920 regularly the smog and and and anybody emitting any type 809 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,039 of emissions into the air. 810 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: And so that's for planes. You're talking about for airplanes. 811 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 2: Well no, it gas stations, cars, hospitals or anybody. You know, 812 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,400 anybody that has one of those emissions. 813 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 1: That's big California too. So that's a big time government job. 814 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,039 Did That's that's heavyweek. 815 00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I was a dispatcher, and so people 816 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,039 would call and complain about companies doing stuff when they 817 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,199 thought we were closed. 818 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: So I have to call I'm going to shut you 819 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:44,119 down if you don't do so and so on and 820 00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:45,079 so well, No. 821 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,519 Speaker 2: I would have to call like the fire department. I 822 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,079 have to call Hasmad. I have to call people at 823 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,000 their house and wake them up out of their sleep 824 00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,880 in their bed, you know, that type of thing, and 825 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,280 and explain to them what was going on on, what 826 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:01,719 you know in the location. 827 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were really but breaking people down. He's breaking it. 828 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,639 So you had you had to get that roughness, like 829 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:11,039 all right, you gotta this is what we gotta do. Yeah, 830 00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,119 please don't do this. Please people begging you and you're like, nope, 831 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,480 it's just my jobs. We got to shut this down 832 00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:18,000 right now. 833 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be responsible of shutting things down. I 834 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,679 was really the communicator, so I would connect all these people, 835 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,599 show what's going on, and then I have to deal 836 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:33,079 with the complainants, you know, and letting them know somebody's 837 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,639 on their way, that type of thing. 838 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,679 Speaker 1: So you did that for thirty years, you still. 839 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,639 Speaker 2: I did that for ten That was the first ten 840 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,639 years I was there. 841 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: Then then they put you in another government job. 842 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 2: After that, No, I went to my boss and told 843 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:51,719 them that I needed to do something else that was 844 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,920 more stimulating, because I could do this in my sleep, 845 00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:00,440 you know. And so they came back and and they 846 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,599 gave me a position where I assisted one of the 847 00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,719 CEOs of the company, and so. 848 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:08,519 Speaker 1: I was your assistant business position. 849 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:14,599 Speaker 2: So yeah, and so yeah, so she she, you know, 850 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,599 she yeah, And so we were you know, i'd be 851 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:25,320 with city council people, mayors, people like that in government. 852 00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 1: Now you're with the money people. The decision maker is 853 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,320 the big cheese. Yeah, you're right there. And what's your thirties? 854 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 2: Now, so I'm in my thirties, you know, going into 855 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,079 the forties, still making. 856 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,079 Speaker 1: So yeah, got they got that money, and then you 857 00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:44,840 got to have money, but you're still spending everything. 858 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,159 Speaker 2: I wasn't spending everything, but I just had, you know, 859 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,360 you have to buy clothes for work, and you have 860 00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:57,159 to you know, my kids, you know, to buy them clothes. 861 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,639 I mean one hundred dollars jeans and come on. 862 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,119 Speaker 1: You here to get the fancy, fancy fancy. Okay, so 863 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,400 you end up getting the MBA. Did that happen because 864 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,360 of this this money government job? Now, just start thinking 865 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,280 about Hey, let me know. 866 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 2: So as I so, what happened? What that job was. 867 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,480 I began to They gave me a program to operate, 868 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:29,000 which was a ride share program, and so I grew 869 00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:33,000 the program from like seven people to like eight hundred people. 870 00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:36,880 I pretty much got almost the entire workforce, you know, 871 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,800 either ride sharing or taking the bus or whatever. And 872 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,199 so so now I'm doing the work, you know, similar 873 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,199 to some of the specialists. And they didn't want to 874 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,480 pay me because I didn't have the degree, but I 875 00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,000 had experience and I was doing the job. 876 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,760 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now I needed to get more money. 877 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,000 I'm doing this now, bohead. I got to get my 878 00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:06,000 degree to get my money. Go ahead, right, So that's 879 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:06,679 what happened. 880 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 2: So I decided. So I was having some issues, you know, 881 00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,239 life was life, and I was going through some court 882 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,400 battles with my younger son's dad, and so it got 883 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:20,079 so bad. 884 00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you had the money, So he's trying to get 885 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,400 money from you. 886 00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 2: Well no, he wasn't. He wasn't trying to get money 887 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,199 from me. I mean he was paying you know, he 888 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,960 he he made good money himself. 889 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,119 Speaker 1: So okay, okay, But it. 890 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 2: Got to a point where I had to make a decision. 891 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,480 I knew that we could retire at fifty and I 892 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,159 had thirty years in and I knew that, you know, 893 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:53,440 I would be okay. So I retired at fifty and 894 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,119 and so so that's what NBA. 895 00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:57,199 Speaker 1: We're talking about, the NBA. 896 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,559 Speaker 2: He said, when did you get going into the NBA. 897 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,559 I cided that I was going to go back to 898 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:06,639 school after I took about a year just to decompress. 899 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: After you after you finished after okay, so yeah, you 900 00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:12,559 were okay, you went. 901 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 2: Back after the after I retired, I decided to go 902 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,719 back to school, okay, And so I went. I got 903 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,559 my associates, and then I went and I got my 904 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,800 bachelor's And. 905 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 1: It was all in business. Yeah, yeah, because that's what 906 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,239 you're doing. You got the business of hair, you got 907 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,639 the business with the government, the business. So you said, 908 00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:34,880 this is what I know, this is what I've done already, 909 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,119 and so that should have been a breeze. 910 00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 2: It was easy because I had another I had a 911 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:47,480 clothing business somewhere in that time, and and and so 912 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:52,519 I was always doing some sort of business, you know. 913 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,599 Speaker 1: Always we come all the way back to books and 914 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,599 literacy and all that. You got a long backstory. She 915 00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,960 got a long back. Now, so how'd you end up 916 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,480 getting involved with books and authors and literacy. Is that 917 00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,559 at the retirement stage or all? 918 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was the retirement stage. So then you know, 919 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,599 I'm in school and I'm writing a lot, and and 920 00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,239 so I'm getting some really good responses from my professors, 921 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:28,360 and I took a couple of creative writing classes, and so. 922 00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: Retired of fifty when you're older, yeah, yeah, you got 923 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,000 a lot to write about to all the stuff, but 924 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,639 I can help you to put it. I didn't know 925 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,400 all that stuff. You want to be hanging around all 926 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,079 these people. So we're gonna have to talk now. Ye go, 927 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,280 So you're right now, your fifty retired back to school, MBA, 928 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,880 Now you're writing and getting into the literacy thing. Go ahead, 929 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,440 I'm listening. 930 00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 2: So you know, when I got my master's, I actually 931 00:54:53,159 --> 00:55:01,239 taught and helped the local college build their cosmetology program 932 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,199 because they wanted they didn't have one, so I wrote 933 00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:09,079 out the curriculum. I wrote a curriculum for them, I 934 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:16,559 wrote a book for them for that. Yeah, oh yeah, 935 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:20,800 and so and so then I decided to that I 936 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,000 was going to write my own book and so I 937 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:29,639 started writing books, you know, about different things. And then 938 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,400 I thought about, okay, you know, what, how do you 939 00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,320 market this? Like I couldn't find the angle where to go? 940 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,920 So I said, okay, I'm going to start this group 941 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:46,639 called Black Women Authors art the group, and you know, 942 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,280 I was the first member. Now it's like eighteen thousand, almost. 943 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,280 Speaker 1: Eighteen thousand, yeah, and that's international international. 944 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're almost at nineteen thousand. And then I so 945 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,000 the group was good. I started interviewing and podcasting with 946 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:09,400 different authors, talking to them about, you know, their journey 947 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,880 and you know, I'm trying to learn more, right and 948 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,920 and then I realized, like is this it? You know, 949 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,079 it's got to be more like where do we go 950 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,199 to get that where it's us and it's a platform 951 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,679 and we can find the books we're looking for and 952 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:28,119 all of that. 953 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: How do we how do we all collectively. 954 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 2: You know, find a place to be, you know, where 955 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:38,679 people can find us. And so that's when I decided 956 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,719 to build this platform. 957 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: And and how many years then has it been now? 958 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,159 BWA Women Authors, Black Women Authors? 959 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:53,760 Speaker 2: It's been three years. I'm in the fourth year now, Okay, 960 00:56:54,119 --> 00:57:01,679 so we are you know global The magazine Is Airlines, Hotels, 961 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,880 euro Trains and mobile app in Paris and Africa deal. 962 00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:14,320 So so yeah, we're we're getting that recognition, and I 963 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,599 mean we're getting hits on the website from all over 964 00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:26,760 the world. I mean I'm talking Poland, Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Japan, 965 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:35,920 I mean, all the UK, all that whole little corridor, India, Pakistan, wow, everywhere. 966 00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:40,239 It's amazing. Every month I look at the downloads and 967 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,920 they're coming from everywhere. 968 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and you have that experience of talking 969 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,440 to a lot of people you work for the government. 970 00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,440 Before then you were doing the parties with all the 971 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,280 celebrities and stuff. So you have no problem meeting and 972 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,880 greeting people wherever they are. 973 00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 2: I talked to and my grandmother was like that when 974 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,880 I hang out with her. You know, it's she got older. 975 00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:06,719 She always talked to everybody. You know, why you doing, baby, 976 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:12,159 you know what's going on? And so yeah, I don't 977 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:13,320 meet strangers. 978 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,239 Speaker 1: So the social media era is not a problem for you, 979 00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:19,400 because some people that graduation into this whole Facebook and 980 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,599 Instagram and TikTok. You you were fine with that, coming 981 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,599 right into that communications world. 982 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I kind of was scaling back where I 983 00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:35,800 tried not to do too much. Like for me, it's 984 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,360 like I don't post every single thing I do. Yeah, 985 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,840 because for me, I think I'm having too much fun 986 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,199 and I forget about doing that kind of stuff. 987 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm not walking around, yeah you walk, but these kids 988 00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:56,960 actually do this now. I was at Howard University and 989 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,719 the guy that I had been friends with for thirty years, 990 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,039 he's said, oh, Mark, they can't even make their orders 991 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,280 because they're staring at themselves, and it's just crazy. 992 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,320 Speaker 2: I don't get it. So yeah, I just you know, 993 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,239 I'm more low key now. You know, I go to 994 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,000 jazz concerts and you know that's pretty much my thing. 995 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 1: And you try to get a PhD now. 996 00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,239 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, So what are you gonna do? 997 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,719 Speaker 1: Are you gonna start teaching it? Because you are also 998 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,519 teaching entrepreneurship and motivating you know, other entrepreneurs. 999 00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 2: Go ahead, So yeah, I do some coaching and I 1000 00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:42,840 have developed a curriculum for authors, and I plan to 1001 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:47,519 do more teaching, you know. Yeah, definitely. 1002 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: How long would that take? Are you almost done with that? 1003 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,599 Speaker 2: No? I'm not. I'm actually I'm starting that process July eighth, 1004 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,920 So it's gonna take me about a year, year and 1005 00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,400 a half. 1006 01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, so you got to get that popping. 1007 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,880 So what's some closing words you want to say? You've 1008 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,679 done a whole lot. This is Paul Lett Henson. In fact, 1009 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,760 Henson Henson wasn't a family name. That's a married name. 1010 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,639 What was your name? Your family name? 1011 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:15,280 Speaker 2: That? 1012 01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, a good deal. Okay, okay, so you 1013 01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,760 still tied into the family name because sometimes the women 1014 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,760 can change your names and it be somewhere else, you know, 1015 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,760 like o Nasais was no longer Kennedy, but Onnasis was 1016 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,199 a big name too, but she was no longer Kennedy, 1017 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,800 so that could throw people off. 1018 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,199 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. 1019 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,159 Speaker 1: So what would you say to the young people coming up, 1020 01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:43,960 particularly the young women, young authors. Any but you did 1021 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,639 a lot. I'm glad he talking. 1022 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,920 Speaker 2: And you know, it's really not to brag or boast about, 1023 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:58,360 you know, the lifestyle or whatever, but it's it's about 1024 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,119 staying grounded. Like you have to live your life, you know, 1025 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,400 but you have to live it with boundaries. And I 1026 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,800 want to say that as much as I did, I 1027 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,239 always have boundaries. You know, if I felt that a 1028 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,480 situation was not I didn't didn't feel right. I would leave. 1029 01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:23,880 I had no problem leaving a party or something if 1030 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,199 I felt, you know, because I'm not somebody's menu. So 1031 01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:32,480 you know, I would say that. But times are different 1032 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,119 than they were when I was growing up. You know, 1033 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,320 now you really have to be careful. But you definitely 1034 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,639 you want to get your education because knowledge is power. 1035 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,920 And even though I had businesses coming up and I 1036 01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:53,440 was around entrepreneurs, I knew things, but it wasn't until 1037 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,360 I got my education that I was able to put 1038 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,320 it all together and to apply it, you know, in 1039 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,519 a more knowledgeable way instead of you know, you know 1040 01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:10,039 what I mean. So that's what I would say. But 1041 01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:13,480 you definitely you have to live your life. You have 1042 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:18,920 to chase your dreams, your goals, you know, set goals 1043 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,559 for yourself so that you can retire early and you 1044 01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:27,480 can live and do whatever you want to do. You know. 1045 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, but you still got the hair skills, 1046 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,960 and that's always going to be money there because now 1047 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,400 they got another level. 1048 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 2: People still call me, can you please do my hair? 1049 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,519 Can you break my hair? 1050 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Beg to give you money? It is they begging to 1051 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,280 give you money. So you could always go make your 1052 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,159 money whenever you need to. You got the education, you 1053 01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,119 got the skills, you understand how to communicate, and now 1054 01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:57,199 you try to help other people out with black women office. 1055 01:02:57,239 --> 01:02:59,159 You're doing it. Look at this, all this stuff you 1056 01:02:59,280 --> 01:02:59,639 laid on. 1057 01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:03,239 Speaker 2: Is I'm doing that. Yeah, I'm doing that. You know, 1058 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,639 it doesn't stop. You know, it's building a legacy. You know, 1059 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,679 we don't know where things are going. So you got 1060 01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:15,880 to have your hustle. And so my hair business gotta 1061 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,599 have always my hustle, you know. I always that was 1062 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,519 my extra money to do whatever I wanted to do 1063 01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:27,719 with it, you know. And so you need that, you know, 1064 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,079 because for those ladies out there, we have to get 1065 01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,440 things done. You know. You gotta get your hair done 1066 01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:40,039 and your nails done. I mean it's expensive and so beautiful. 1067 01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:43,119 Speaker 1: All right, Well you didn't heard it from Paul Matt 1068 01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:46,679 Hanson out there in California with the Texas roots. She 1069 01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:48,880 didn't been through a whole lot of stuff. This is 1070 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,039 why it's called the retro movement, because we always want 1071 01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,599 to dig up the roots. I had no idea that 1072 01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,440 she was hanging out with Eric Tickerson and Mike Tyson, 1073 01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,320 all them folks boys something else. When you get on 1074 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,719 the retro and you start asking the right questions. But 1075 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,079 she got her education, she never got strung out nowhere, 1076 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,440 always had a head right, ended up working thirty years 1077 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,760 for the government, moved on up with a better position. 1078 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,199 Now she got a master's, going after the PhD and 1079 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,679 teaching us how to be And that's why I'm talking 1080 01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:20,360 to her because I'm working with it with the BWA 1081 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,519 magazine as well, putting articles in there, doing my thing. 1082 01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:27,079 So again thanks for coming on the show. Paul lett Henson. 1083 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,480 The retro movement. Respect the roots. Everybody has roots. That's 1084 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,639 what I'm trying to tell people. Nobody starts from nowhere. 1085 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,840 So you just laid out all that history that you 1086 01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,920 have so people can see, Wow, she just didn't pop 1087 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,280 up out of nowhere. That's a lot of stuff. And 1088 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,840 I want these young people to understand, hey man, live 1089 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,239 your life and understand that life's are lessons every day, 1090 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,559 every single day, every year. You got lessons in life? 1091 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,400 Is I got a long one just like you got 1092 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,119 a long one? Yep. And so now we're going to 1093 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,920 take us out Valerie Denise Joans with the retro movement. 1094 01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,280 This is Paul let Henson and you can get this 1095 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:08,679 on Spotify. iHeart Apple, Amazon, and we're gonna put it 1096 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,119 on YouTube at hotlove Entertainment dot com because I gotta 1097 01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:14,280 get my subscribers up and we got to get all 1098 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,360 the pretty people in here. I got me a fresh 1099 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,119 haircut in fresh shade. And you know, Paul let Henson 1100 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,000 looks great. Gee, looks absolutely great. And so we got 1101 01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:26,440 to show this on YouTube so everybody can see it. Yes, yes, 1102 01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:27,760 thank you, thank you. 1103 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:34,519 Speaker 2: Awesome all you got us, Valerie. 1104 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good. I had no idea. Yeah. Eric 1105 01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:44,400 Dickinson was my dude. Man, that that's the dude. Yeah. 1106 01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what. He was at ah one 1107 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,719 of the casinos with some of his friends and one 1108 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,880 of one of the girls that had the party the 1109 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,519 day party, she saw him and she reminded at him 1110 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,719 about the party and he's like, oh man, he goes, 1111 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,880 that was the best two parties I've went to and 1112 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,639 one night and he's like, I had such a blast. 1113 01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:13,039 He ended up paying for their dinner and everything, so 1114 01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:14,239 that's great. 1115 01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:19,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got a personality. He always had a great personality. Yeah, Barry, 1116 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,599 have you heard his interviews? It was like I remember 1117 01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,960 the first interview and he called his sister while he 1118 01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,760 was on the show and he was like, he was 1119 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,599 in California, his sister in Texas, and he was like, 1120 01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:32,639 what you want me to do? She said, bring back 1121 01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,320 Michael Jackson and he was like, I can't bring you 1122 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,719 Michael Jackson. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that dude, boy he was. 1123 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,679 He always had great interviews, a great smile, great personality 1124 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,320 and he doesn't look old now he still looks young. 1125 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,840 And yeah, that dude, man, he's something else. So that 1126 01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:53,199 was a great one. Yeah, you'd have been through it 1127 01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:56,039 a lot. But yeah, so we're gonna put it up. Yeah, 1128 01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:58,800 but the retro movement, so the way this is set up, 1129 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,840 I really can't interview or twice. I might have to 1130 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,559 set up another show because I get so much into 1131 01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,599 the woods of your history. You know. It's like I 1132 01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:07,679 know and then you can use this, you gotta say. 1133 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,400 It's like this like an autobiography. 1134 01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:12,519 Speaker 2: Like it is. I was just thinking, wow, you know, 1135 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,360 it was good to remember some of those things, and. 1136 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is. That's what retro is remember 1137 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,199 because these kids, it's like they don't have any value 1138 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,480 for history. It's crazy, man, Like they don't care about grandmothers. 1139 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,599 Grand from none of that, And I grew up with 1140 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:33,320 my eyes and uncles and my grandmothers. So I'm the 1141 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,800 same way where I respect the history that came before me, 1142 01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:39,039 so that when I do a lot of stuff, I 1143 01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:40,360 respect my own history. 1144 01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:43,039 Speaker 2: Exactly, what have you done? 1145 01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:45,639 Speaker 1: It's all Michael, what's the Janet Jackson? What have you 1146 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,400 done for me lately? That's everybody now, nothing about yesterday. 1147 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,920 Oh yeah, they they. 1148 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,920 Speaker 2: You know the kids now they for some reason to me, 1149 01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:02,000 they're on a different planet even you know, there are 1150 01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:05,960 a lot of them. Are they're disrespectful? You know, they 1151 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:11,239 have their own opinion. They got too much, too much 1152 01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,079 the phone. I think the phone is really just because 1153 01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,439 we didn't have that. You know, we had to talk 1154 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,079 to people. 1155 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 1: You had to knock on that dude's door to get 1156 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,039 to the father. Can I speak to your daughter? 1157 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:23,600 Speaker 2: Want? 1158 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,880 Speaker 1: And then you showed up and he's sitting it, and 1159 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,159 you like, you had to go through that man. 1160 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:29,680 Speaker 2: You have to. 1161 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: They can aford the parents, They can aford the parents. 1162 01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:36,800 Speaker 2: They avoid all of that, and so that that's a 1163 01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,279 problem because then they don't know how to to speak 1164 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:45,039 to people. You know, it's I don't know the games. 1165 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,319 All these too many, there's too many video games. I mean, 1166 01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:50,399 we had our video games, but you had to put 1167 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:51,119 a quarter. 1168 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,359 Speaker 1: In rainy days. We only played with rainy days. And 1169 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,199 when its sunny out, we getting that guy. We ain't 1170 01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:56,600 playing right please? 1171 01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, we was outside playing and so you know, it's 1172 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,800 it's it's different times now. 1173 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,079 Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, what's your favorite color? 1174 01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:10,800 Speaker 2: Orange and purple? 1175 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: Got orange? Yeah, because I'm gonna start giving out gear. 1176 01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:15,840 We're gonna start doing this gear. So we're gonna get 1177 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,960 everybody retro shirts and hats in their favorite colors. You 1178 01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:21,800 got orange, I got orange right here. 1179 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:27,680 Speaker 2: You wear a lot of orange, bright colors, white, you know, yellows, 1180 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:29,319 you know green. 1181 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,680 Speaker 1: Well, I sent you a good article man, that whole 1182 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,439 good life of social media. Oh yeah, yeah that thing. 1183 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,920 Because now we're all competing with the numbers, and it 1184 01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:43,079 just makes it so insensitive because you're trying to do 1185 01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:45,960 valuable work and people how many numbers you guys, It's 1186 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,239 just like it's like they don't care what you're doing. 1187 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:49,159 How many numbers. 1188 01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:52,800 Speaker 2: It's like how many numbers you have, so you know, 1189 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,119 for your building, your numbers, for my numbers, I paid 1190 01:09:58,399 --> 01:10:00,880 like you know, there's a little thing where you can 1191 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,079 scale and if you want so many people. So I 1192 01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:08,399 just budgeted it out and every every month or every 1193 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,680 couple of weeks, I would just pay to get another 1194 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,800 thousand and another thousand, so it would find those people 1195 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,079 and bring them, you know. 1196 01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:17,800 Speaker 1: To the group. 1197 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,600 Speaker 2: So it takes some time, you know, but you get 1198 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:23,239 it done. 1199 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's how they're doing it. They want you 1200 01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:29,520 to pay, just like you advertising on radio and television. 1201 01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:30,399 Speaker 2: Like, no, that's how it is. 1202 01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,560 Speaker 1: Gonna give it to you for free, but for you 1203 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,600 to get the numbers you're going to advertise, just like 1204 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,239 to pay. 1205 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,000 Speaker 2: And let me tell you what else. So I have 1206 01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:44,039 I've been at nineteen thousand for a year, right, and 1207 01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:48,119 what I found out was when you get at twenty thousand, 1208 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,359 you're now considered a media. 1209 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,560 Speaker 1: Local okay, oh okay, interesty okay media. 1210 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:02,199 Speaker 2: So that puts you in a different level. Yeah right, 1211 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:05,479 and you only need it one thousand more, keeping me under. 1212 01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:08,439 Speaker 1: So they did that on you think they doing it 1213 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,840 on purpose? O? Yeah, wow, the algorithms. Let me tell 1214 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,039 you something before we get off. I was on TikTok 1215 01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:19,960 where my average views was like seven hundred, and I 1216 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,560 did this one little snippet of Lady B and Philadelphia 1217 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,239 getting her star and it got thirteen thousand followers, you know, 1218 01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:30,960 thirteen thousand views. So I'm thinking TikTok. After that, was like, no, 1219 01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:34,319 he can get more views, but he's not paying we wanted. 1220 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,239 All of a sudden, all of my views are under 1221 01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:40,199 one hundred. So I'm like, what the hell happened? So 1222 01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:44,279 they're punishing me for not paying because I was doing 1223 01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:46,960 it organic. So I'm like, ain't nowhere war all of 1224 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,000 a sudden, now I came to me getting seven hundred views. 1225 01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:53,279 I'm not what. It's a gamut man, He's damn it. 1226 01:11:53,279 --> 01:11:53,600 It is. 1227 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,600 Speaker 2: It's a racket, I'm telling you. And so I just said, okay, 1228 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,720 you know what, I'm not gonna play this game. You know, 1229 01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:05,319 they want me to pay to be in that status, 1230 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,520 but I think the momentum of the women will get 1231 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,119 there anyway, you know. And so I just been going 1232 01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:17,039 using other ways to get exposure. 1233 01:12:19,159 --> 01:12:22,000 Speaker 1: What they did they boost the price, like it's just 1234 01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:24,399 one thousand more, Like what's what's the hend? 1235 01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:29,159 Speaker 2: So it's it's a little scale and and basically you 1236 01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:33,920 slide it depending on how much you want to pay out. 1237 01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:37,359 So you could pay thousands of dollars if you want, 1238 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,279 like ten thousand people or whatever. 1239 01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:43,479 Speaker 1: But one thousand away. So I'm asking, now, what do 1240 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,199 you have to do for that one thousand? 1241 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:51,399 Speaker 2: For one thousand just to make five hundred dollars or 1242 01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:53,399 something like that to get another thousand. 1243 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,800 Speaker 1: So you wouldn't do that to get just twenty to 1244 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,239 get in the. 1245 01:12:56,199 --> 01:13:02,359 Speaker 2: New I wasn't gonna do it becausenumber one. I had 1246 01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,960 to realize this is their game, and so I can 1247 01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:09,760 go you know, I can go around it from where 1248 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,560 I'm sitting. You know, these subscriptions at a so you 1249 01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,479 have to pay to play. So I got a lot 1250 01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:22,359 of subscriptions to make everything function. I'm not going to 1251 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:28,359 pay Facebook for more people when I got nineteen thousand. 1252 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,399 I mean, that's okay. I'm cool with that because I 1253 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,479 got people coming from the other channels, you know, and 1254 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,439 it's growing, so I probably will do it. But I 1255 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,000 just didn't like the fact even with Amazon, they kind 1256 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,840 of do their little dirty stuff too. 1257 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:48,359 Speaker 1: And so. 1258 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:54,800 Speaker 2: Mike, my what I'm building is a black Amazon. That's 1259 01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:00,439 what I'm building. So that everything is there, you know. 1260 01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:03,319 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get in the clothing thing. That's 1261 01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:05,600 my nigg. I gotta get the clothing. 1262 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,359 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the health food, you know, all that stuff 1263 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,399 so that we can rock that that way and our 1264 01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,600 books everything. 1265 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,560 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm had to talk to you more offline. 1266 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,239 You got that article with the images I sent, and 1267 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,840 we're gonna talk more about the business because there's a 1268 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,720 lot of stuff I'm doing. I'm running to them, same 1269 01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:30,239 number of clitches, even me starting this podcast, you know, 1270 01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:32,039 on running of that where we got to boost this, 1271 01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:34,560 boost that. But that's the game, man, they know, like, 1272 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,800 look at it. We give it to you for free, 1273 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,880 but you're gonna pay us to get where you want 1274 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:39,039 to go. 1275 01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:42,720 Speaker 2: That's right, That's that's that's the message, and so you 1276 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,880 have to pay to play. So all right, well, thank 1277 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,439 you for having me, and I'll. 1278 01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Thank you all right. You got it some sounds of life. 1279 01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:57,079 You gotta learn how to do things for yourself to 1280 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:57,960 make sure. 1281 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,479 Speaker 2: Get it. Nothing right. 1282 01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:09,800 Speaker 1: It's red Strut like Jordan back in Chicago, punk rock 1283 01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:14,119 text note, scar faced out, Machino, goose sleeve, don't know 1284 01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,760 but WHI five Vote, Star Wars High and Snow No 1285 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:21,520 Cold Broke Chi I Show New York city's out pop 1286 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,520 sssame street, el Mo, camera mol and slow mot no 1287 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,600 mocks means no more. It's raining out, dead, don't go 1288 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,199 and moving up like the Justice Show, the Urban gree Yo, 1289 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,960 y'all don't know what I know made it now, so's y'all. 1290 01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:39,239 So came up as a bottom kill West Philly. Looked 1291 01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:42,560 what he did. No crimes, no bed, no time to 1292 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,239 spending there. My cousin's dead, serving years. Grand mom's dead, 1293 01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:49,680 dropping said, spill the wine, drink the beds, puty high. 1294 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,439 Speaker 2: Ask why why guy? 1295 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,319 Speaker 1: Why he's down running streets like super fly sky highs 1296 01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:58,680 got high. Let him know with stretch, rep stretch, shruck 1297 01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:05,960 scratch it's rest Yeah cuz it's retro like DC, You're 1298 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,479 on a metro. Hey shawdy Yo Joe the Chicken wings 1299 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,960 with mambo. Back to Howard University, flow House and we 1300 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,439 could say go go Rindy Berry and sell more parties, 1301 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,399 jumping like shallow booking hottis like Hello, back and Filly, 1302 01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,760 three feet of snow be capped with Bartimoe, Let go 1303 01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:28,119 of my age, go batman, lay go drug addictions, just 1304 01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:31,239 say no doctor facts, the backs that flow, no doe, 1305 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,000 no show, no pain no game, take it all like 1306 01:16:35,159 --> 01:16:37,760 no you can find a feat and make sure thanks 1307 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,000 shy Lynn, We change shriek gas buck sell slay, no bus, 1308 01:16:42,359 --> 01:16:45,680 take the train, high speed, left lane, stay the same, 1309 01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:50,239 never changed. Kill Bill Dang Bang Clinton Eastwood, Steady Dang 1310 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,760 high noon, let him hang, Let them know. It's restaurant 1311 01:16:54,520 --> 01:17:02,680 Row Sweet, it's Retch Row Red. Yeah, man, it's retro 1312 01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:05,640 beat bang from the get go, feel it all in 1313 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,640 your get so, stop the music and hell know what 1314 01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,159 the hell you come in here for. It's murder on 1315 01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,399 a dance flow Harford Bow like his coon shoe, Sharon 1316 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,920 Stone and casinos based against think what's crazy though, good 1317 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,399 fellas with the nail row Yanka vishit's a weirdo. I 1318 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,680 didn't say, he says. So ask somebody who's made no 1319 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,039 back of Fithers yet Genios playing football on a reno 1320 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,199 thirty eight street is nine and no bottom board. Now 1321 01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:34,600 watch him blow my ambition with the show people playing 1322 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,119 on serious Stoke So with silent studios in the atl 1323 01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:41,720 with Ropael in the booth to lay it down. Robael 1324 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,119 got the miners now massive technician hot his sound Fisher 1325 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:48,359 to the people in every town. Fastball from the mountain. 1326 01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,720 Let them know it's retro. Let him know what's stretch Row, 1327 01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:55,840 let him know what's reetshro I let him know. Let 1328 01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:11,159 him know it's retro. It's that's what my Sea seats. 1329 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:17,000 Speaker 2: Seat show. The

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