Why City Council Matters
SPEAKER_01
0:00
When
people
think
about
city
government,
they
often
think
about
headlines.
The
mayor,
big
projects,
major
announcements,
maybe
even
arguments.
But
over
the
years,
I
found
myself
sitting
inside
Jacksonville
City
Hall
for
very
different
reasons.
I've
been
there
seeking
approvals.
I've
stood
before
council
regarding
projects.
I've
watched
zoning
conversations
unfold.
I've
witnessed
public
notices,
public
comments,
and
people
standing
at
a
podium
with
three
minutes
and
a
whole
lot
riding
on
those
three
minutes.
And
what
struck
me
was
this
you
realize
very
quickly
that
cities
don't
just
happen.
Someone
decides
where
roads
go,
someone
decides
whether
a
community
gets
investment,
someone
decides
if
a
neighborhood
gets
hurt.
Someone
decides
whether
growth
happens
responsibly
or
simply
happens
fast.
Council
isn't
always
glamorous.
Most
people
probably
aren't
binge
watching
city
council
meetings
with
popcorn
on
a
Tuesday
night.
But
council
is
one
of
the
most
important
checks
and
balances
we
have
because
development
without
accountability
creates
problems.
Growth
without
community
creates
resentment
and
passion
without
process
creates
chaos.
The
role
of
council
is
to
ask
difficult
questions,
to
say,
wait
a
minute,
to
challenge
ideas,
to
advocate,
to
balance
competing
interests,
to
protect
neighborhoods
while
also
making
room
for
possibility.
Because
every
decision
eventually
becomes
somebody's
street,
somebody's
business,
somebody's
school,
somebody's
home.
And
today
we're
talking
with
someone
who
spent
the
last
few
years
sitting
in
one
of
those
seats
where
every
vote
carries
consequences.
And
that's
what
we're
going
to
tackle
Jimmy Peluso’s Path To Office
SPEAKER_01
1:31
today.
Hi,
I'm
Zooz
bringing
you
a
dose
of
culture,
values,
and
global
citizenship
with
just
enough
hoodsba
to
ask
the
questions
others
may
avoid.
Today's
guest
is
Jimmy
Peluso.
Jimmy
is
a
Jacksonville
City
Council
member
representing
District
7,
a
district
as
diverse
as
Jacksonville
itself,
spanning
portions
of
the
urban
core
and
neighborhoods
that
each
bring
their
own
opportunities,
challenges,
identities,
and
priorities.
Before
public
service,
Jimmy
served
our
country
in
the
Navy,
later
worked
in
governmental
affairs,
and
has
brought
that
background
in
service
and
public
policy
into
local
leadership.
He
has
developed
a
reputation
for
engaging
in
conversations
around
growth,
neighborhood
investment,
parks,
downtown
development,
and
community
issues
that
directly
affect
how
people
experience
Jacksonville
every
day.
Now
he's
taking
another
step
and
pursuing
an
at-large
seat,
expanding
the
conversation
from
district
representation
to
a
citywide
vision.
Jimmy,
welcome
to
Schmooz
with
Seuss.
SPEAKER_02
2:27
Thank
you
for
having
me.
This
is
great.
SPEAKER_01
2:28
Thanks
for
being
here.
Of
course.
If
young
Jimmy
were
to
look
at
you
today,
do
you
think
he
would
be
surprised,
or
he'd
be
like,
yeah,
this
makes
total
sense?
SPEAKER_02
2:36
So
young
Jimmy
uh
was
always
interested
in
politics,
um,
because
he
loves
history.
I
still
I
mean,
I
still
love
history.
Uh
so
I
think
there
was
probably
a
sense
of
like,
okay,
he
was
gonna
run
for
something.
The
fact
that
I
won
is
probably
something
young
Jimmy
might
have
been
a
little
bit
surprised
by.
Um,
but
uh,
but
you
know,
and
I
also
don't
know
if
city
council
was
what
I
was
thinking
when
I
was
17
years
old,
right?
So
I
think
everyone
always
thinks
of
Congress
and
that's
where
the
big
decisions
are
made.
No,
no,
no.
The
older
you
get,
the
more
mature
you
get,
you
realize
the
big
decisions
are
at
the
local
level.
Grassroots.
Yeah,
it
impacts
everyone
the
most
at
the
local
level
and
state
level.
SPEAKER_01
3:11
It's
interesting
that
you
say
that
because
when
I
think
of
politics,
like
you
just
said,
it
was
the
bigger
picture,
it
was
the
larger
purpose
that
I
think
we're
trained
to
focus
on
because
that's
what
the
media
talks
about.
And
then
as
an
adult,
as
a
parent,
as
a
community
servant,
I
realize
that
most
of
what
impacts
me,
my
family,
my
community
is
happening
in
the
rooms
that
I
sit
in
that
I
can
actually
drive
my
car
to
and
walk
my
way
into.
Navy Leadership And Learning Fast
SPEAKER_01
3:39
So
you
served
in
the
Navy
before
entering
public
service.
What
lessons
from
military
life
influence
your
leadership
today?
SPEAKER_02
3:46
Uh
almost
everything.
The
the
time
in
the
military
really
kind
of
um
kind
of
built
not
only
my
confidence,
but
my
ability
to
manage
uh
people
and
objectives,
right?
So
so
my
time
as
a
and
I
was
a
naval
officer,
so
I
immediately
graduated
from
college
and
uh
got
commissioned
as
an
ensign.
So,
and
I
I
served
on
ships,
I
was
a
service
warfare
guy.
And
one
of
the
big
things
about
serving
on
ships,
different
than
being
a
nuclear
officer
or
a
pilot,
is
they
get
to
go
to
school.
They
get
to
learn
their
trade
for
years
before
they
ever
get
to
a
submarine
or
a
squadron.
When
you're
on
ships,
they
just
kind
of
like
here
you
go.
And
my
degree
was
history
and
political
science.
And
so
I
show
up
on
the
ship
that
was
an
old
steamship.
The
steam
steam
system
was
antiquated.
And
uh
and
they
were
like,
hey,
your
degree's
in
some
kind
of
social
science,
we
should
put
you
in
engineering.
So
so
I
was
in
engineering,
and
I,
you
know,
I
had
to
learn
how
to
turn
a
wrench.
I
had
to
learn
how
the
engineering
systems
worked,
and
I
had
to
learn
how
to
get
the
respect
of
the
sailors
and
the
other
officers
who
were
in
the
engineering
field
and
had
been
for
years
and
decades,
and
like
not
only
learn
from
them,
but
then
like
kind
of
kind
of
get
guidance
from
them
and
eventually
get
their
respect.
And
so
once
you
do
stuff
like
that,
once
you
find
yourself
in
an
uncomfortable
situation
and
you
have
to
learn,
it's
really
sink
or
swim
to
throw
a
pun
out
there
for
the
Navy.
Um,
but
like
I
learned
and
I
made
it,
I
I
challenged
myself
to
learn
more
about
engineering
concepts
that
I
never
would
have
expected
to
learn
when
I
was
in
college
or
high
school.
Like,
you
gotta
understand,
my
math
scores
were
abysmal.
SPEAKER_01
5:21
I
understand
completely.
I
was
strong
into
history
and
literature
and
the
social
sciences.
SPEAKER_02
5:30
Yeah,
so
it
was
it
was
to
to
trade
in,
you
know,
books
for
a
pair
of
overalls
with
stains
all
over
them.
Like
you
you
gotta
learn
to
do
the
hard
work
and
and
to
kind
of
learn
these
new
things.
And
in
doing
so
and
building
my
own
confidence,
you
become
a
better
leader,
uh,
I
thought.
And
then
the
other
thing
that
was
great
in
the
military
in
particular
and
in
the
Navy
is
you
have
to
get
qualified
on
a
bunch
of
stuff.
So
you
have
to
do
a
lot
of
training
and
you
do
a
lot
of
hands-on
on-the-job
training.
As
soon
as
you
get
qualified,
your
job
is
to
train
the
next
person.
SPEAKER_00
5:58
Oh
wow.
SPEAKER_02
5:58
So,
like
you
immediately
get
pushed
into
at
a
very
young
time,
right?
Hey,
you
just
learned
how
to
be
the
officer
of
the
deck,
which
is
basically
you
run
the
whole
ship.
Well,
all
right,
you
got
you
got
qualified
last
week.
Your
job
now
is
to
qualify
the
new
ensign,
the
new
guy
who
just
showed
up.
And
so
it
really
forces
you
to
become
proficient
at
your
job
and
then
teach
other
people.
And
what's
the
best
way
to
learn?
To
teach,
I
think.
So,
like
as
soon
as
I
started
teaching,
I
learned
even
more
about
what
I
was
qualified
in.
And
I'm
like,
how
the
hell
did
I
even
get
qualified?
SPEAKER_01
6:29
That's
not
surprising.
Do
you
find
that
for
people
who
maybe
are
uh
nervous
about
that,
that
the
math
and
sciences
that
you
learned
in
a
textbook
in
school
translated
differently
into
real
experience?
SPEAKER_02
6:41
Oh
yeah.
Like
I
know
we're
going
a
little
bit
in
the
weeds
here.
Like
I
didn't
take
a
trigonometry
course
at
all.
And
as
soon
as
you
get
on
the
ship,
you
have
to
learn
like
basically
trig
concepts.
And
it
took
me
a
long
time.
And
then
eventually
it
clicked.
Then
I
got
really
good
at
it.
And
what
did
I
do?
I
trained
other
people.
And
like
all
of
a
sudden
I'm
like,
wow,
how
the
how
I
would
have
never
been
able
to
tell
17-year-old
Jimmy
this.
He
would
have
been
he
would
have
told
me
I
was
insane
if
I
was
gonna
explain
to
him,
like,
oh,
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
learn
pretty
decent
trigonometry
stuff.
Uh
also
you're
gonna
learn
the
engineering
system
of
a
ship,
of
a
60-year-old
ship.
Um
He
would
have
been
he
would
have
said
no
to
him.
He
would
have
laughed
a
little
bit
at
all.
He
would
have
laughed
at
me.
SPEAKER_01
7:20
Well,
speaking
back
to
that
17-year-old
who
knew
one
day
that
they
wanted
to
affect
change
or
be
involved.
Losing An Election Then Doubling Down
SPEAKER_01
7:28
Tell
me
a
little
bit
about
the
moment
or
the
time
or
an
experience
where
you
said,
I
don't
just
want
to
care
about
the
problems,
I
want
to
seat
at
the
table
where
the
decisions
get
made.
SPEAKER_02
7:37
Aaron
Powell
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
that's
a
great
question.
And
I
think
the
quick
answer
was
I
I
it
took
me
a
minute
to
to
figure
that
out.
I
thought,
you
know,
oh,
I'll
just
run
for
office.
I
ran
in
2019,
I
ran
for
city
council
then
and
I
lost.
And
it
was
a
great
learning
experience.
Losing
is
awesome
sometimes
because
uh
if
you
very
similar
to
the
military,
like
I
could
have
been
bitter
and
been
like,
ah,
whatever,
I
I'm
just
I'm
I
I
don't
care
anymore,
I'm
gonna
walk
away
from
this.
Because
whenever
you
see
people
running
for
office,
they're
always
like,
I
care
so
much,
and
I
want
to
see
this
and
I
want
to
see
that
and
I
want
to
be
a
champion
for
X,
Y,
and
Z.
And
then
when
they
lose,
they
disappear.
And
nothing
was
more
like
upsetting
and
almost
offensive
to
me.
And
so
and
by
the
way,
I
I
moved
back
home
to
Jacksonville
in
2015
after
living
in
several
different
cities.
So
I
saw
what
other
places
were
looking
like,
and
I'm
like,
Jacksonville
can
be
this
and
more
and
better.
SPEAKER_01
8:26
I
mean,
you
know
you're
it's
a
30-year
overnight
success
story.
SPEAKER_02
8:29
Absolutely.
And
so
so
when
I
lost
in
2019,
I
doubled
down
and
getting
really
invested
in
Riverside
Avondale
Preservation,
um,
which
is
the
historic
district
that
I
that
I
lived
in
for
many
years.
And
then,
you
know,
I
got
on
boards
and
commissions,
I
got
more
involved
in
I'm
a
Democrat
and
the
Democratic
Party
and
trying
to
make
sure
other
good
candidates
got
elected
to
stuff.
So
like
I
started
putting
in
that
work
so
that
my
reputation
wasn't
just,
oh,
he
was
the
guy
that
ran
that
one
time
and
claimed
he
cared
um
and
then
just
didn't
show
up
afterward.
No,
I
showed
up
more
and
more
afterward.
Um
and
I
think
that
kind
of
built
a
lot
of
respect
and
credibility.
And
when
you
when
you
do
that
stuff,
you
learn
more
about
the
problems
that
are
going
on
in
the
city.
And
it
it
it
instead
of
just
putting
it
on
a
placard
or
a
or
a
you
know
a
palm
card,
it's
what
we
hand
out
to
people
you
know
when
you're
knocking
on
doors,
instead
of
it
just
being,
oh,
I
care
about
parks,
no,
now
I
knew
exactly
how
to
help
parks.
By
the
way,
I
was
on
the
Memorial
Park
Board,
right?
So
like
I
knew
what
this
park
needed.
And
that's
one
of
our
oldest,
most
pristine
parks.
And
you
really
get
to
see
like
that
politics
is
guided
by
people
and
community
groups.
And
so
when
you
have
really
strong
community
groups
with
really,
you
know,
really
good
leadership,
they
help
guide
the
policymaker,
the
politician,
and
then
they
help
make
those
things
get
get
done.
So
you
also
see
why
certain
communities
in
certain
areas
get
the
investment
that
they
do.
It's
because
of
that
grassroot
effort.
Representing Many Neighborhoods Fairly
SPEAKER_01
9:50
So
District
7
isn't
one
neighborhood,
it's
many
communities
with
very
different
and
diverse
needs.
How
do
you
avoid
hearing
only
the
loudest
voices?
SPEAKER_02
9:58
Oh
God.
That
is
a
that's
another
great
question
because
there
are
a
lot
of
loud
voices.
District
7
is
essentially
like
the
old
city
limits
of
Jacksonville.
It's
probably
about
70
to
80
percent
of
the
old
city
limits.
So
there's
a
lot
of
communities
that
have
been
around
for
well
over
a
hundred
years.
SPEAKER_01
10:12
Legacy
neighborhoods.
SPEAKER_02
10:13
Absolutely.
And
many
of
which
that
have
had
folks
who
look
like
me
walk
in
them
and
say,
Don't
worry,
I
know
what's
best
for
you.
Don't
worry,
guys,
we're
not
gonna,
you
know,
bulldoze
your
neighborhood.
And
then
what
do
we
do?
We
bulldozed,
you
know,
La
Villa
and
Brooklyn
and
and
much
of
the
east
side
to
build
the
stadium.
And
it's
like,
okay,
how
do
we
make
sure
that
that
the
people
don't
get
you
know
so
loud
that
they
don't
listen
to
me
and
listen
to
the
guidance
that
I'm
trying
to
provide?
And
so
the
answer
is
you
show
up
a
lot.
You
show
up
a
lot,
you
try
to
build
those
those
real
relationships.
And
when
I
won,
my
district
was
created
by
a
federal
judge.
Um,
so
some
of
the
communities
that
were
in
my
district
when
I
was
running
beforehand,
so
I
was
running
for
for
what
was
known
as
district
14,
federal
judge
changed
it
to
district
seven.
So
now
there
were
new
neighborhoods
that
I
had
to
run
in.
So
those
neighborhoods
didn't
know
me,
right?
So
like
now
I
really,
on
day
one,
July
of
23,
I
had
to
go
in
these
communities
and
start
talking
to
people.
I
had
to
go
into
Durkeyville
and
understand
more
about
Derkeyville,
had
to
go
to
Newtown,
had
to
go
on
King's
Road
and
talk
to
people,
had
to
figure
out
why
College
Gardens
is
um,
you
know,
not
seeing
the
investment
that
it
should.
And
then
go
out
east.
And
by
the
way,
in
out
east,
like
we
were
in
the
throes
of
the
stadium
deal.
And
the
number
one
thing
people
were
talking
about
was
community
benefit
agreements.
SPEAKER_00
11:27
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
11:27
So
as
I'm
like
sitting
with
our
brand
new
mayor,
I'm
telling
her,
like,
this
thing
is
a
no-go
unless
without
a
CBA.
And
she
said,
I
know.
And
so
we
we
could
we
couldn't
promise
that
under
different
leadership.
And
we
got
it
done.
And
so
I
think
that
kind
of
built
some
early
credibility,
but
you
got
to
keep
showing
up.
If
you
think
showing
up
once
a
quarter
is
gonna
do
it,
it
ain't.
And
and
so
that's
really
about
it.
I
answer,
I
answer
emails,
I
take
phone
calls,
I
get
my
phone
out
pretty
frequently.
Those
voice
there's
always
gonna
be
a
loud
voice
or
two.
People
people
like
to
live
um
in
a
place
that
makes
them
feel
comfortable.
And
sometimes
that
means
they
they
want
to
be
mad
and
and
and
angry
about
stuff
all
the
time,
because
if
they're
not
seeing
some
some
impact
immediately,
they're
gonna
think,
oh,
he
didn't
do
enough.
When
meanwhile,
there
could
be
state
reasons
why,
or
federal
reasons
why,
or
other
massive
reasons
why
something
didn't
get
done.
But
I
I
promise
you,
if
I
tell
someone
I'm
working
on
something,
I
am,
and
I
try
not
to
overpromise.
Um,
because
I
know
what
that
means
to
a
lot
of
these
communities
that
have
heard
those
promises
before.
SPEAKER_01
12:25
Yeah,
I
mean
when
I
moved
here,
people
would
say
this
is
where
red
rings
come
to
die.
SPEAKER_02
12:29
Yeah,
right.
SPEAKER_01
12:30
And
I,
as
a
native
New
York
City
girl
who
worked
in
development
and
the
um
redevelopment
of
downtown
Brooklyn
three
decades
ago.
I
was
here
and
I
shared
with
you
that
when
my
husband
got
his
gig,
I
was
like,
I
don't
do
Villes
or
Burg,
so
this
is
not
for
me.
But
then
I
went
downtown
and
I
saw
the
three
bridges
and
I
was
like,
this
feels
very
familiar,
this
Williamsburg,
Brooklyn.
This
is
so,
so
obvious.
Like
I
could
see
the
progress
that
could
potentially
happen.
And
here
we
are,
11
years
later.
Wins On Parks Drainage And Homelessness
SPEAKER_01
13:01
Looking
back
at
your
tenure,
what
are
some
successes
that
you're
incredibly
proud
of?
SPEAKER_02
13:05
Ah,
so
um
the
CBA
was
a
big
one,
right?
So,
you
know,
getting
that
done
to
make
sure
that
we
were
investing
in
the
Trevor
Burrus,
and
that
was
a
bipartisan.
It
was.
It
was.
It
was
you
know,
the
community
benefit
agreement
was
tied
to
the
stadium
deal.
So
it's
an
NFL
approved
deal,
by
the
way.
So
like
if
anyone
tries
to
back
out,
like
the
NFL
can
can
send
their
attorneys
down
here
and
tell
us,
like,
nope,
you're
going
outside
of
the
bounds
of
this
agreement
that
you
made
with
us.
So
we
got
$40
million
over
the
next
um
seven
years
going
to
the
East
Side
community
and
with
a
minimum
of
$4
million
a
year.
That
was
meant
to
ensure
that
we're
putting
dollars
in
early
and
often
to
help
offset
what
will
potentially
be
um,
you
know,
a
lot
of
encro-
I
mean,
if
the
stadium
gets
built
up
in
the
in
the
time
that
we
think
it
will,
and
then
there's
gonna
be,
you
know,
a
whole
bunch
of
uh
new
product
that
they're
gonna
build,
new
housing
and
stuff
like
that,
we
want
to
make
sure
they
don't
encrouch
on
the
east
side.
We
want
to
make
sure
A.
Philip
Randolph
is
is
in
a
good
state
and
where
ownership
is
local
and
everything
else.
Like
we
don't
want
to
see,
you
know,
corporate
landlords
kind
of
kind
of
diving
in
and
stealing
everything.
That's
the
big
concern
there.
So
these
dollars
need
to
get
in
early.
Um
parks
is
a
big
issue
for
me,
right?
I
mean,
we
we've
been
investing
more
in
parks
on
our
tenure
uh
in
the
past
several
years.
I
passed
a
bill
to
ensure
that
drainage
projects
can
get
done
without
going
through
this
bureaucratic
process
of
the
project.
Oh
my
gosh.
SPEAKER_01
14:21
I
know
my
friends
thank
you
for
that.
SPEAKER_02
14:23
Yes.
It
was
so
dumb.
Like
if
a
project
was
over
I
don't
know,
like
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
is
most
projects
for
drainage.
For
drainage.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
14:30
Like
it
would
have
to
go
through
an
entire
infrastructure
is
a
lot
of
money
and
a
lot
of
exposure.
Trevor
Burrus,
Jr.
SPEAKER_02
14:35
And
you
want
to
make
sure
this
project
gets
done
as
soon
as
possible.
Expeditiously.
Yeah.
So
our
public
works
department
is
like,
yeah,
it's
going
to
take
an
extra
six
months
because
we've
got
to
go
through
this
process
uh
through
city
council.
And
it's
like,
well,
that's
dumb.
So
we
got
rid
of
that.
And
so
now
projects
are
are
getting
more
funded
than
we
have
in
the
past.
And
me
and
Joe
Carlucci
actually
worked
on
that.
So
that
was
very
bipartisan.
He's
got
the
South
Bank,
so
there's
plenty
of
flooding
there.
Um
Yeah,
I
mean,
like
we,
you
know,
I
I
passed
a
redlining
bill
to
show
that
the
city
of
Jacksonville
acknowledges
um
what
we
did
with
redlining
back
in
the
30s.
Um
I
put
more
investment
into
uh
Shell
Suite
Center,
which
is
over
by
EWU
campus,
right
in
the
College
Gardens
area.
So
we've
been
working
with
Marie
Heath
and
that
group.
They've
got
a
senior
center
and
a
clinic.
Um
we
worked
heavily
on
getting
food
deserts
uh
uh
settled.
So
I've
been
working
with
re
with
local
partners,
church
groups,
everything
else
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
can
like
find
a
way
to
build
whether
it
be
a
co-op
or
some
other
like
type
of
grosser
model
that
Jacksonville
really
hasn't
seen
before
that
we
see
in
other
cities
that
are
more
you
know
kind
of
kind
of
local.
Like
if
we're
relying
on
a
Publix
or
a
Wendix
or
an
Aldi
or
whatever
else
to
build
in
a
private
area,
like
the
rent
may
go
up
later
on
and
now
they
have
to
move.
Like,
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
we
could
find
a
church
that
has
a
ton
of
land
and
maybe
build
a
small
grocer
there?
Doesn't
need
to
be
huge.
The
dev
store
on
the
east
side
is
only
2,500
square
feet.
You
know,
it's
a
small
one.
And
by
the
way,
I
lived
in
Philly.
I
lived
right
above
a
uh
a
little
bodega.
It
had
a
deli
in
there,
you
got
boar's
head
meats
in
there,
which
is
my
cup
of
tea,
and
you
have
fresh
fruits
and
vegetables,
and
it
was
maybe,
I
don't
know,
half
the
maybe
double
the
size
of
this
room
we're
in
right
now.
You
know,
it's
not
very
big.
Like
other
places
have
done
this.
So
so
to
be
able
to
kind
of
kind
of
pursue
those
issues
is
big.
Um,
five
points,
I
created
a
business
improvement
district,
which
is
a
special
district,
the
first
special
district
that
we've
seen
in
Jacksonville
in
decades.
And
basically
what
it's
gonna
do
was
help
provide
more
resources
to
make
sure
that
Five
Points
um
is
safer,
cleaner,
um,
and
has
you
know
kind
of
more
of
what
it
needs
to
help
improve
the
businesses.
And
so,
you
know,
that's
kind
of
critical
because
it's
a
major
component
of
um
of
kind
of
our
local
economy.
You
know,
Five
Points
is
kind
of
the
cool,
funky
place,
we
want
to
keep
it
that
way.
And
then
the
other
thing
was
the
Homelessness
Initiatives
Commission.
That
was
a
priority
early
on
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
commission
specifically
dealing
with
homelessness.
We
funded
it,
we've
given
them
some
money.
I
want
to
give
them
more
money.
I
want
us
to
put
a
lot
more
into
homelessness
services
because
housing
is
you
know,
housing
is
a
right,
and
I
think
there's
no
larger
impediment
to
Jacksonville's
success
than
if
we
just
continue
to
kick
the
can
on
um
helping
people
get
on
their
feet.
Uh
I
know
a
lot
of
people
go
downtown
and
they
say,
like,
oh,
you
know,
it's
it's
so
unsightly.
Well,
we
can
fix
that.
Um
and
now
we've
created
the
HIC
to
help
be
the
conduit
for
that.
So
those
are
some
those
are
some
issues.
I
got
a
few
more
if
you
want.
SPEAKER_01
17:29
You're
touching
on
all
of
my
sweet
spots
affordable
housing,
food
and
security,
mental
health
services.
And
as
someone
who
is
the
director
of
homeless
services
in
New
York
City
for
a
decade,
um
I
remember
back
then
social
workers
would
tell
the
people
in
New
York
City,
if
you
want
to
be
homeless,
go
to
Florida.
It's
much
easier.
And
I
remember
people
saying,
we
will
get
a
Greyhound
ticket,
and
the
first
stop
in
Florida
is
Jacksonville.
And
when
I
moved
here,
I
thought
it
came
true,
everyone
is
here.
So
now
we're
also
looking
at
the
largest
city
in
terms
of
size
in
the
contiguous
United
States.
Uh
we're
also
talking
about
one
of
the
fastest
growing
cities
in
the
United
States
currently.
Which
is
very
exciting
in
terms
of
development,
which
can
bring
excitement,
jobs,
and
revitalization.
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
ensure
that
longtime
residents
also
feel
like
stakeholders
in
that
success
rather
than
feeling
displaced
Tenant Rights Landlord Data And Accountability
SPEAKER_01
18:23
by
it.
You
touch
it
on
the
east
side
and
the
legacy
neighborhoods
are
places
that
I
have
a
soft
spot.
Um
I
want
to
shake
up
the
concept
of
affordable
housing
as
something
that's
more
than
just
a
tagline
because
it's
experiencing
one
of
the
biggest
growths
and
development
in
its
history,
Jacksonville,
right
now.
How
do
we
it
make
sure
that
growth
creates
opportunity
for
people
who
already
call
it
home
and
not
just
from
those
investing
from
outside
of
this
community?
When
we
talk
about
building
a
stronger
city,
how
can
we
ensure
that
residents
are
the
first
priority
as
opposed
to
absentee
landlords
or
management
companies
that
are
buying
in
bulk?
SPEAKER_02
19:04
Well,
I
I've
got
a
few
answers
for
that.
And
the
first
thing
I'll
say
is
if
you
like
go
on
Instagram
right
now
or
look
up,
you
know,
Jacksonville,
you're
gonna
see
articles
that
say
like
Jacksonville
is
the
most
affordable
city
in
America,
and
you
can
go
and
build,
you
can
go
buy
there,
you
can
go
down
there.
SPEAKER_01
19:16
Yeah,
we
wouldn't
have
that
many
eviction
diversion
programs
running,
and
the
United
Way
would
not
have
to
teach
us
about
Alice
every
month.
SPEAKER_02
19:22
And
that's
that's
the
kind
of
the
the
irony,
right?
Like
you
see
those
articles
and
like,
yeah,
sure,
if
you're
if
you're
living
in
Chicago
or
New
York,
like
sure
if
you
sell
a
two
million
dollar
house,
cost
of
living
and
quality
of
life
is
phenomenal.
SPEAKER_01
19:34
So
what
if
you're
in
Jacksonville
right
now?
SPEAKER_02
19:36
That's
what
I'm
saying.
So
so
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
like
people
might
see
that
on
TV,
but
that's
not
the
story
that
we're
hearing
here.
And
I
think
you
and
I
know
that
better
than
anyone.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
pushing
this
past
year
is
to
do
for
one,
I
want
to
create
a
housing
uh
uh
office
within
our
okay.
We
de
we
do
have
a
housing
department,
or
we
have
a
housing
division
within
the
uh
neighborhoods
department
in
the
city
of
Jacksonville.
But
I
wanted
an
office
of
tenants'
rights.
That
was
my
that
was
my
big
push.
And
so,
you
know,
I
got
a
little
pushback
on
that,
but
I
believe
the
administration
is
going
to
fund
that
position.
We're
gonna
call
it
an
ombudsman.
And
they're
basically
gonna
be
like
a
one-stop
shop.
So,
yep.
SPEAKER_01
20:13
So
ambassadorship.
SPEAKER_02
20:14
Pretty
much.
Yeah.
And
so
like
they'll
be
up.
So
I
I've
got
an
issue.
Yep.
And
also
help
guide
you
to
where
services
are
needed.
Like,
if
you
need
assistance
with
utility
payments,
um,
which
department
in
the
city
of
Jacksonville
do
you
think
you
call
it?
Utilities?
Right.
Maybe
you
call
J
E
A
or
whatever.
SPEAKER_01
20:33
But
like
I
don't
call
J
E
A
at
all.
SPEAKER_02
20:37
Listen,
no
comment
there.
My
husband
does.
Point
being
is
park
parks,
rec,
and
social
services
is
where
you
call
if
you
need
help
for
like
rental
assistance
or
um
utility
assistance.
So
parks
and
rec
like
who
would
think.
SPEAKER_01
20:52
I
would
never
think
that.
SPEAKER_02
20:54
Exactly.
You
would
think
the
housing
department,
perhaps,
or
the
neighborhoods
department.
Yeah.
So
so
this
position
is
gonna
be,
you
know,
front
page
on
the
COJ
website,
and
uh
you're
gonna
be
able
to
call
it.
That
person's
gonna
be
able
to
help
guide
you
to
the
resources
you
need
and
create
a
case
file.
Boom.
City
of
Jacksonville
now
will
have
somebody
you
can
call.
That
to
me
is
huge.
Uh
JALLA,
Jacksonville
Area
Legal
Aid,
which
you
know,
I
hope
you
would
get
Jim
Kowalski
in
here
um
to
talk
about
the
other
piece,
is
we're
gonna
create
uh
something
called
a
um
uh
uh
uh
oh
God.
It
it's
a
uh
a
landlord
registry.
Yes.
And
so
technically
landlord
registries
are
really
difficult
to
pull
off
because
the
state
of
Florida
has
done
a
really
good
job
of
not
helping
tenants.
But
if
we
do
it
outside
the
city
of
Jacksonville
with
JALLA
and
we
just
partner
with
them,
um
the
goal
is,
yep.
I'm
surprised
you
haven't
heard
this
stuff
yet.
SPEAKER_01
21:41
I've
heard
bits
and
pieces
and
I'll
tell
you
why
in
a
second,
finish
this.
SPEAKER_02
21:44
Okay.
So
so
JALLA's
now
going
to
have
this
running
list
of
properties.
Um
it's
gonna
be
volunte
not
voluntary.
They're
going
to
have
to
actively
find
these
properties.
So
we're
not
gonna
make
it
compulsory
for
a
private
landlord
to
give
their
information,
but
this
list
will
be
pretty.
SPEAKER_01
21:59
Can't
you
find
it
for
the
Tax
records?
SPEAKER_02
22:00
Yeah,
pretty
much.
That's
what
I'm
saying.
It's
like
we'll
have
to
they'll
have
to
do
that.
SPEAKER_01
22:06
Awesome.
Yeah,
let
me
know.
SPEAKER_02
22:07
Get
Jim
on
here
and
get
on
board
with
that.
But
the
point
is
we've
got
code
compliance
that
are
providing
them
different
violations
that
they're
seeing
on
these
properties.
That
way
I,
as
a
uh
somebody
moving
to
Jacksonville
or
living
in
Jacksonville,
can
look
up
an
address
and
be
like,
hey,
let's
see
if
there
was
any
code
compliance
issues
in
the
past
three
years.
Oh,
look
at
that,
there
was
mold.
Oh,
look
at
that,
there
was
rodents.
Um
and
did
they
fix
it
within
a
week
or
do
they
fix
it
in
17
months?
Like
it
gives
you
it
gives
you
the
the
future
tenant
a
little
bit
more
power
and
knowledge
about
what
they're
stepping
into,
which
I
think
is
incredibly
valuable.
Um,
you
know,
laws
here
in
Florida
are
still
a
little
tough
on
tenants,
but
this
is
a
good
first
step
here
in
Jacksonville.
And
then
I
am
going
to
file
legislation
to
get
an
annual
report
on
housing,
the
city
of
Jacksonville,
to
help
make
sure
that
we
can
determine,
based
on
census
tract,
how
many
homes
are
owned
by
corporations,
how
many
homes
are
uh
owned
by
people,
what
the
median
sales
price
is
to
help
make
sure
that
other
council
members
um
get
a
good
sense
of
like,
oh
wow,
if
I'm
the
if
I'm
the
Arlington
council
member,
you
want
to
know
what
the
median
sale
price
is
in
your
in
your
communities.
Like
in
East
Arlington,
it's
like
$580,000.
Um
it's
a
lot.
So
like
there's
no
there's
if
you're
if
you're
a
28-year-old
person
trying
to
buy
a
home,
I
was
gonna
say
if
you're
a
teacher,
a
nurse,
or
a
young
family.
Exactly.
Or
police
officer,
firefighter,
anyone
who's
who's
trying
to
make
sure
they're
getting
out
of
who
wants
to
own
land,
right?
I
mean,
like
it's
it's
you
know,
we
we've
made
it
such
a
uh
uh
part
of
the
American
dream,
the
Americana,
like
you
know,
own
property.
I'm
not
saying
people
have
to
do
that,
but
if
you're
going
to
rent,
um
it
shouldn't
be
taking
up
more
than
33%
of
your
income.
And
so
that's
supposed
to
provide
some
knowledge
as
power
uh
uh
uh
uh
stuff.
Now
the
other
thing
is
I
um,
you
know,
I
would
love
to
see
uh
uh
Jose
Javier
Rodriguez,
who
is
running
for
attorney
general,
um,
win
that
seat
because
he
can
do
antitrust
lawsuits
against
different
landlords
who
own
maybe
40%
of
a
neighborhood.
And
uh
so
if
you
are,
you
know,
some
some
corporate
entity
that
owns
all
this
land
and
you
are
all
these
properties
and
you
are
manipulating
the
rental
market,
um
that'd
be
a
really
good
way
to
make
sure
that
we
have
um,
you
know,
people
who
are
standing
up
for
for
those
who
are
just
trying
to
live
in
this
city
uh
get
a
little
bit
more
get
a
little
bit
more
uh
of
a
leg
up.
Yeah.
So
so
like
I
I
when
I
you
know
he's
running,
he's
running
on
the
Democratic
ticket.
Uh
when
I
met
with
him,
I
specifically
said,
I
will
not
support
you
unless
you
can
you
can
commit
to
uh
being
able
to
do
this
kind
of
stuff.
And
he's
like,
Yep,
that's
exactly
what's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
running.
So
so
I
think
that's
incredibly
important
and
needed
because
if
we're
just
if
it's
up
to
these
counties
and
cities,
we
really
don't
have
too
many
tools
in
the
cool
toolkit.
Like
again,
I
have
to
use
JALLA
to
basically
provide
people
with
information
so
they
don't
walk
into
a
bad
environment.
SPEAKER_01
24:54
And
um,
and
they're
already
overwhelmed
and
they
already
have
years
of
work
that
they're
in
the
process
of
doing.
So
when
we
talk
about
building
a
stronger
city,
you're
creating
pathways
where
residents
can
move
from
being
renters
to
homeowners
and
build
that
generational
stability.
Absolutely.
And
you're
talking
about
in
these
legacy
neighborhoods,
for
example,
where
opportunity
that
may
not
have
been
witnessed
by
children
from
their
parents
is
now
something
that's
a
reality
that
they
can
aspire
to.
SPEAKER_02
25:23
Absolutely.
TIF Districts Home Repair And Infill
SPEAKER_02
25:24
And
I
um
I
could
I
can
tell
you
that
as
I'm
running
for
for
an
Atlarge,
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
campaigning
on
is
to
create
something
called
TIFF
districts,
tax
increment
financing
districts.
So
it's
very
similar
to,
are
you
familiar
with
these?
So,
all
right.
So
so
basically,
um,
you
know,
Brentwood
Community
is
a
great
example,
uh,
Robinson's
Edition
is
a
great
example,
College
Gardens
a
great
example.
We
could
put
a
giant
boundary
um
around,
you
know,
to
create
a
new
tax
district
in
some
of
these
areas.
And
it
would
not
increase
taxes,
but
it
would
keep
the
taxes
within
that
boundary
um
to
to
stay
in
that
boundary.
And
my
goal
is
to
use
those
dollars
on
home
repair
programs
um
for
for
legacy
residents
that
have
been
there
for
a
very
long
time.
You
know,
home
repair
is
something
that
um
I
think
a
lot
of
people
b
you
know
want
to
see.
Like
whenever
you
drive
through
these
neighborhoods,
that's
one
of
the
things
I
think
most
people
will
say
is
like,
man,
things
have
run
down.
And
imagine
being
the
residents
who
live
there
as
long
as
they
do.
SPEAKER_01
26:17
Imagine
you're
an
elderly
resident
who
lives
there,
which
is
one
of
our
largest
demographics
of
the
community
that's
impacted
by
those
repairs
that
are
necessary.
Yep.
We
talk
about
how
that
could
lead
to
a
whole
cycle
of
being
evicted
or
losing
your
home
because
of
the
cost
of
a
roof
repair.
Yep.
Tell
me
more.
SPEAKER_02
26:35
No,
but
like
senior
homelessness
is
something
that
Jacksonville
is
experiencing,
and
I'm
told
that
it's
a
hidden
crisis.
Like
when
you
talk
to
Solzbacher
and
Cindy
Funkhauser,
she's
like,
it
is
it
is
the
big
crisis
that
we're
not
talking
about.
Trevor
Burrus,
Jr.
SPEAKER_01
26:45
The
missing
middle.
Yep.
We're
talking
about
affordable
housing
that
can
sustain
the
young
families.
It
used
to
be
that
the
average
age
to
be
a
home
time,
uh
a
first-time
homebuyer
was
in
your
20s.
Now
it's
not
until
your
40s.
And
if
you're
lucky
because
you've
been
left
some
kind
of
something
from
your
parents
that
you
can
now
pay
yourself
into.
SPEAKER_02
27:03
And
admittedly,
there
are
some
communities
that
have
actually
kind
of
fought
some
housing
projects
that
are
good.
And
I
think
it's
because
of
the
um
the
overall
sense
that,
like,
oh,
we
don't
we
don't
love
the
idea
of
somebody
coming
in
and
building
an
apartment
complex
in
an
area
that
has
single
family
housing.
But
it's
like,
okay,
if
that
apartment
complex
brings
a
lot
of
young
families
and
also
children
that
are
going
to
go
to
the
local
school,
not
only
are
you
making
sure
that
local
school
remains
open,
which
neighborhood
schools
are
always
in
constant
risk
of
being
closed.
So
there's
a
major
educational
piece
and
making
sure
that
a
community
is
ready
for
certain
things.
Trevor
Burrus,
Jr.
SPEAKER_01
27:34
And
you
need
both
parts.
You
need
those
absolutely
taxpayers
who
are
not
draining
from
that
school
district.
It's
a
balance
that
you
need
to
have.
Trevor
Burrus,
Jr.
SPEAKER_02
27:44
And
and
it's
just
like
you
need
to
educating,
you
need
council
members
and
leaders
that
are
strong
enough
to
kind
of
get
through
that
noise
and
say,
guys,
here's
here's
the
things
that
we
want
to
solve
for.
Um
what
I
don't
want,
and
I
think
what
you
were
alluding
to
in
your
intro,
is
I
don't
necessarily
want
us
to
sprawl
outward,
outward,
outward,
outward,
outward.
We
have
a
lot
of
infill
opportunities.
We
have
a
lot
of
places
that
we
could
build,
especially
within
the
295
uh
uh
uh
beltway.
Um
we
have
so
many,
you
know,
if
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
solving
for,
hey,
why
are
our
commercial
corridors
slowly
dying?
Hey,
why
don't
we
have
you
know
more
pharmacies
or
grocers?
It's
because
a
lot
of
these
neighborhoods
are
not
getting
the
the
new
influx
of
of
young
people
that
we
need.
And
then
to
the
point
I
made
earlier,
like,
you
know,
we're
gonna
see
more
school
closures.
Obviously,
the
state
has
terrible
laws
when
it
comes
to
education,
schools,
and
we
can
go
into
that
all
day
long.
So
so
they're
siphoning
money
to
go
to
go
to
a
bunch
of
other
institutions,
and
that's
its
own
thing.
But
like
there
are
ways
to
solve
these
problems.
It
just
takes
good
planning
and
good
leadership.
And,
you
know,
I'm
grateful
that
we
have
a
mayor
that
I
think
is
ready
to
do
some
of
this
stuff.
I
just
need
a
city
council
that
helps
me
get
there
too.
And
for
many
of
them
who
have
like
a
ton
of
HOAs
and
gated
communities
in
their
districts,
they
don't
really
see
the
issues
that
I
do.
They
don't
see
the
issues
that
are
in
the
in
the
old
urban
core.
Because
if
you're
if
you're
off
of
Bay
Meadows
or
if
you're
off
of,
you
know,
if
you're
in
Jack's
golf
and
country,
like
all
that
stuff
is
pristine
and
in
great
condition
because
those
HOA
fees
go
into
it.
So
when
they
drive
out
of
their
neighborhoods,
they
don't
see
any
of
the
stuff
that
we
see.
And
and
if
we
want
to
invest,
um,
if
we
want
to
get
people's
heads
wrapped
around
it,
I
think
TIFF
districts
and
kind
of
going
in
that
model
is
a
good
way
to
help
make
sure
that
we're
not,
you
know,
increasing
taxes
and
that
we're
putting
dollars
back
where
they
belong.
SPEAKER_01
29:31
So
you're
talking
about
balancing
development,
neighborhood
preservation,
and
economic
realities.
SPEAKER_02
29:36
Yeah,
I
think
so.
SPEAKER_01
29:37
So
it
sounds
to
me
like,
and
here's
what's
interesting,
when
people
think
about
government,
they
think
top-down.
But
it
sounds
to
me
like
you're
a
ground-up
person
in
terms
of
how
you
view
the
information
that
you're
taking
in.
And
I
say
this
to
say
that
decades
ago,
how
Jacksonville,
before
my
husband
and
the
gig
and
me
saying,
I
don't
do
bills,
my
dad,
who
the
legendary
Mensch,
who
was
a
um
real
estate
investor,
uh
first
started
off
by
providing
services,
homeless
services
to
people
that
were
suffering
from
HIV
and
AIDS.
And
beyond
that,
he
would
then
become
an
investor
in
um
multifamily
properties.
And
when
I
was
working
with
him,
he
pulled
up
LoopNet,
which
is
a
commercial
and
residential
real
estate
website,
and
we
looked
at
Jacksonville,
and
he
used
Jacksonville
as
an
example,
and
this
is
decades
ago,
and
he
said,
Okay,
I
want
you
to
look
at
Jacksonville,
and
I
want
you
to
tell
me
why
we're
never
gonna
invest
in
Jacksonville,
and
this
is
decades
ago.
And
I
didn't
understand
because
it
looked
like
people
were
making
a
lot
of
money
here,
right?
All
the
landlords
were
making
so
much
money.
We
used
to
call
it
the
rent
roll.
How
many
times
the
rent
roll
can
you
profit?
And
he
said
to
me,
When
you
can
see
somebody
who's
profiting
twelve,
fifteen
times
the
rent
roll,
that
means
they're
putting
zero
money
back
into
the
property
and
they're
burning
and
churning
through
their
tenancy.
They're
keeping
the
security
deposits,
they're
not
making
the
repairs.
This
is
not
what
we
do.
We're
not
slum
lords.
And
I
never
forgot
that.
The Neighborhood Mix That Actually Works
SPEAKER_01
31:06
And
now
decades
later,
I'm
here
in
Jacksonville,
and
that
was
one
of
those
things
that
I
you
describe
it
as
the
laws,
they
were
very
pro-landlord,
which
now
feels
anti-tenant.
How
do
you
get
out
of
that
struggle
if
you're
constantly
think
about
the
cost
of
having
to
move
into
a
place?
It's
first
month's,
last
month's
rent,
and
your
security
deposit
and
a
pet
security
fee.
What's
the
goal
if
you
had
your
drrothers,
if
you
could
make
a
wish,
what
would
be
the
ideal
neighborhood?
SPEAKER_02
31:37
The
ideal
neighborhood
that
we're
seeing
today.
Um
I
mean,
what
when
I
look
at
Riverside,
which
is
where
I
moved
into
when
I
came
back
home,
um,
you
know,
and
again,
I
lived
in
San
Diego,
North
Virginia,
DC,
and
Philadelphia.
So
I
kind
of
they're
all
small
little
towns,
also
vills,
if
you
will.
SPEAKER_01
31:55
So
much
that
you
can
take
from
those
experiences
and
bring
back
here
and
say,
I
see
potential
opportunity,
and
this
is
how
other
people
do
it.
Let's
not
reinvent
the
wheel.
SPEAKER_02
32:05
And
so
as
you're
in
Riverside,
which
is
a
historic
district,
there
are
tons
of
duplexes,
quadplexes,
apartment
complexes.
Who
lives
there?
The
the
nine
to
five
hourly
wage
workers
who
work
in
Shops
Vavondale,
King
Street
at
the
bars
and
restaurants
that
are
over
there,
or
over
in
Five
Points,
right?
Those
are
your
daily
workers.
And
then
you've
got
some
nice
single-family
homes
that
are
smaller,
they're
starter
homes.
Who's
there?
You
know,
your
nurses,
your
doctors,
the
people
that
are
working
at
St.
Vincent's
and
downtown
at
UF.
Then
you
got
kind
of
the
much
larger
homes,
and
that's
kind
of
your
more
people
that
are
more
established.
And
then
you
got
your
mansions
right
on
the
water.
Like
you
have
everything
in
a
small
area.
And
what
does
it
provide?
It
provides
really
good
grocery
stores,
um,
really
good
local
shops
and
restaurants.
Um,
we
had
an
incredible
movie
theater,
and
I'm
very
sad
that
Sunray
is
no
longer
with
us.
But
now
we
still
have
a
great
music
venue
that
like
people
still
go
to
and
do
great
stuff
in.
And
so,
you
know,
you've
got
cults,
culture,
arts,
and
um
basic
necessities
all
in
walking
distance.
Like
that
to
me
is
perfect.
And
and
it's
all
done
in
an
area
where
um
you've
got
diversity
of
jobs,
educational
opportunity,
um,
race,
age,
orientation.
And
by
the
way,
I
gotta
say,
the
fact
that
your
father
did
that
stuff
um
at
a
time
where
I
know
the
AIDS
epidemic
was
really
ravaging
a
lot
of
communities.
I
have
to
thank
you
and
your
family
for
that
so
much.
I'm
sorry
to
kind
of
segue,
but
yeah,
thank
you
for
your
service.
It's
because
it's
you
know,
in
that
community,
um,
that's
where
people
felt
safe.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
LGBTQ
plus
um
members
who
still
live
there.
And
um
and
and
I'm
very
grateful
that
this
mayor
has
created
an
LGBTQ
plus
advisory
body
because
having
that
voice
matters.
You
know,
this
city
took
a
long
time
to
get
to
a
place
where
we
acknowledged
uh,
I
think,
the
humanity
of
some
people.
And
now
um
as
I
get
to
represent
them,
you
know,
I
try
to
be
a
huge
voice
for
for
any
marginalized
community,
but
just
everyone
in
general.
And
uh
and
and
so
you
know
that's
another
reason
why
Riverside
is
so
special,
because
it's
welcoming
to
everyone
and
all.
Um
but
you
can
live
there,
and
these
are
local
landlords
who
own
most
of
these
properties,
and
it
it's
not
gonna
I'm
not
saying
it's
cheap,
but
it's
it's
certainly
more
affordable,
and
now
you're
close
to
everything,
right?
If
you
find
a
relatively
cheap
rental
property,
but
it's
way
down
Normandy
Boulevard
where
you
must
have
a
car,
or
if
you
use
JTA
buses,
it's
gonna
take
you
50
minutes
to
get
to
where
you
need
to.
Like,
is
that
you
feeling
a
sense
of
community
in
your
state?
SPEAKER_01
34:27
No,
it's
pre
preparing
you
for
barriers
to
entry
from
potential
jobs
or
schools
or
opportunities
or
even
the
free
parks
and
recreation
that
we
have
available
to
us
out
of
your
purview.
SPEAKER_02
34:39
Yep.
So
if
you're
in
Riverside,
you
can
walk
to
Memorial
Park,
you
can
walk
to
Cummer,
uh,
which
have
which
are
both
free.
Um,
you
know,
Cummer
has
several
free
days
you
can
go
to.
That's
arts
and
culture.
You
get
on
the
riverwalk
from
there.
And
you
could
see
the
whole
city.
And
by
the
way,
if
ever
you
feel
down
um
or
upset
in
this
very
crazy
world
we
live
in,
go
on
the
riverwalk.
Walk
on
the
riverwalk.
You'll
you'll
feel
better.
You'll
see
so
many
people
and
so
many
smiling
faces,
and
you'll
feel
a
sense
of
community.
I
mean,
when
you
go
there,
like
all
walks
of
life
are
on
the
riverwalk.
It's
great.
And
you
also
get
to
be
a
part
of
the
you
know,
next
to
the
river,
which
is
negative
ions
create
positive
attitude.
SPEAKER_01
35:14
You
see
the
dolphins.
SPEAKER_02
35:16
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
35:16
You
don't
have
to
necessarily
swim
in
the
brackish
river.
SPEAKER_02
35:18
Yeah,
I
wouldn't
do
that.
SPEAKER_01
35:19
But
unless
you're
doing
the
Iron
Man.
SPEAKER_02
35:21
I'm
I'm
shocked.
SPEAKER_01
35:22
I
couldn't
believe
it.
I
couldn't
believe
it.
SPEAKER_02
35:25
Yep.
SPEAKER_01
35:26
So
we're
encouraging
investment
without
unintentionally
creating
environments
where
speculative
practices
outweigh
community
well-being.
That's
the
goal.
And
if
Jacksonville
gets
this
right
over
the
next
10
years,
you're
describing
stronger
neighborhoods,
stable
rents,
small
business
growth.
Yep.
Now
you're
moving
from
district
representation
to
pursuing
an
at-large
seat.
Yep.
How
does
that
thinking
change?
Running At Large And Staying Grounded
SPEAKER_02
35:50
So
I
the
the
conversation
on
neighborhoods
should
never
change,
right?
If
anything
else,
well,
now
I've
got
more
neighborhoods
that
I
would
be
representing.
So
if
anything
else,
people
should
see
like,
oh
wow,
this
guy
cared
so
much
about
the
ones
that
he
represented,
he's
gonna
care
about
mine
too.
And
I
haven't
heard,
you
know,
from
from
council
members
in
the
past.
And
and
by
the
way,
that's
that's
something
that
I
kind
of
get
a
little
bit
of
uh
joy
out
of
when
I
do
walk
in
certain
communities
and
they
say,
I've
never
seen
a
council
member
before.
Or
if
they
call
my
office
and
I
pick
up,
I'm
like,
hey,
it's
Jimmy,
and
I'll
be
like,
who?
And
I'll
be
like,
I'm
council
member
Palooza,
and
they'll
be
like,
you're
the
council
member?
What
are
you
doing
picking
up
the
phone?
And
it
it
that
always
gives
me
a
smile
and
a
chuckle
because
um
it's
local
government,
right?
Like
people
you
should
kind
of
there's
no
pedestal
that
you
should
be
on.
Um
I
I
I'm
I'm
lucky
enough
to
be
to
represent
um
my
favorite
people,
the
people
of
Jacksonville,
and
I
represent
them,
and
then
when
I'm
done,
I
go
right
back
to
being
just
like
everyone
else.
And
that's
that's
how
it
should
be.
So
so
point
being
is
you
know,
I
I
think
that
I'm
a
good
representative
for
I
think
the
rest
of
the
city,
being
in
this
district,
being
as
diverse
as
it
is
as
it
is.
I've
got
Ortiga,
the
rich
one
of
the
richest
you
know,
precincts
and
communities
in
the
city,
and
then
you've
got
you
know
College
Gardens,
Durkeyville
and
Eastside,
which
are
these
marginalized
communities
that
have
been
harmed
by
government.
And
so
how
do
I
kind
of
bridge
that
together?
By
the
way,
I've
also
got
downtown,
I've
got
Springfield,
another
historic
district,
which
is
incredible.
It
was
the
first
suburb.
I've
got
Murray
Hill,
I've
got
Riverside
Avondale,
I've
got
Fairfax,
I've
got
these
incredible
communities
and
and
parts
of
our
city
that
I
think
are
so
representative
of
the
rest
of
the
city.
So
I
think
that
I'm
kind
of
well
positioned
from
that
perspective.
SPEAKER_01
37:29
Um
you
have
your
finger
on
the
pulse.
SPEAKER_02
37:31
I
believe
that
I
do.
And
and
we'll
see.
Like
I
I
I
feel
good
about
it.
I
I
probably
shouldn't,
um,
because
running
for
office
is
scary.
And
running
for
an
at-large
is
much
scarier
because
my
district
is
a
really
safe
Democratic
seat.
Um
and
now
I'm
going
into
kind
of
the
wilderness.
But
I
believe
I'm
doing
it
not
only
for
the
right
reasons,
but
with
a
with
an
intention
to
talk
to
everyone.
You
know,
um,
tonight
I'm
gonna
go
to
a
meeting
in
in
uh
uh
Springfield,
which
is
a
part
of
my
district
now.
Tomorrow
uh
this
week
I'm
gonna
go
in
San
Marco,
right
outside
of
San
Marco
near
St.
St.
Nicholas,
which
is
not
a
part
of
my
district
to
talk
to
folks.
Um
next
week
I'm
gonna
be
in
Mandarin,
right?
And
that's
you
know,
some
might
say,
you
know,
my
lord,
Mandarin
is
as
red
as
it
gets.
Well,
guess
what?
People
there
still
want
leadership
and
they
still
want
answers
to
stuff.
And
if
you
can
get
over
somebody's
political
preference
um
and
you
just
accept,
like,
okay,
you've
got
good
ideas.
Like
I
might
not
agree
on,
you
know,
your
your
ideas
on
federal
government,
but
listen,
I
understand
what
you're
doing
in
our
city,
and
I
think
that's
good.
If
people
can
get
over
that
stuff,
I
think
that's
important.
Um
because
we
really
shouldn't
care
about
party
at
the
local
level.
I
actually
hate
that
we
have
it.
Um
most
cities
don't.
Actually,
pretty
much
all
cities
don't.
Um
so
we
kind
of
we
kind
of
screwed
ourselves
back
in
the
60s
when
we
did
it.
But
I
think
that
my
ideas
and
what
what
I'm
what
I've
been
pursuing
over
the
past
three
years
is
something
that
people
will
resonate
with.
Missing Middle Backlash And Better Design
SPEAKER_01
38:53
What
issues
have
you
changed
your
mind
on
after
having
listened
to
people?
Was
there
something
you
were
sure
you
were
right?
SPEAKER_00
38:59
Oh
wow.
SPEAKER_01
39:00
And
then
you
thought
you
were
doing
the
right
thing
and
still
became
a
villain
in
someone
else's
story,
took
the
opportunity
to
listen
and
said,
okay,
I
can
see
where
you're
coming
from.
Let's
recalibrate.
SPEAKER_02
39:13
So
we
tried
to
work
on
a
missing
middle
bill.
And
honestly,
if
I'm
gonna
go
down
a
certain
road
on
this,
uh,
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
bill
that
I
was
gonna
carry
and
really
kind
of
get
more
community
engagement
and
talk
about
holistically
and
get
my
colleagues
a
little
bit
more
okay
with
it.
Because
many
of
them
didn't
really
know
what
missing
middle
was,
right?
SPEAKER_01
39:33
Define
missing
middle
for
our
audience
that
may
not
know
what
it
is.
SPEAKER_02
39:36
Your
missing
middle
stuff
is
your
either
your
starter
homes,
your
bungalow
homes,
or
your
duplexes,
your
quadplexes,
your
your
kind
of
those
uh
places
where
you
can
live,
whether
it
be
for
sale
or
for
rent,
um
that
that
help
add
density,
but
not
extreme
density,
to
an
area
and
that
could
be
you
know
much
more
affordable
peop
affordable
for
people
to
live
in.
By
the
way,
affordability
is
not
a
word
people
should
be
concerned
about.
Because
if
you
have
someone
that
now
has
more
dollars
in
their
pocket,
what
do
you
think
they're
gonna
do
with
those
dollars?
They're
gonna
spend
them.
Right?
We're
a
consumer
economy
now.
SPEAKER_01
40:07
Or
we
invest
them
into
the
community.
SPEAKER_02
40:09
Which
I
think
means
like
if
you
that
means
you're
gonna
go
to
your
local,
you
know,
you're
gonna
go
to
your
local
7-Eleven,
your
local
theater,
your
local
um
grocery
store.
You're
gonna
you're
gonna
buy
things
in
the
community
and
it's
gonna
help
create
those
commercial
corridors
that
we
need.
So
I
think
missing
metal
is
incredibly
important,
on
top
of
the
fact
that
we,
whether
it
be
just
being
in
Florida
or
in
Jacksonville,
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
young
people
here.
We
need
to
bring
in
as
many
um
kind
of
that,
you
know,
18
to
25,
28-year-old
demographic
um
who's,
you
know,
at
that
part
of
their
life
that
they
want
to
start
a
family
and
and
start
getting
income.
We
want
them
to
move
here
and
stay
here.
You
know,
I
don't
want
high
school
graduates
to
leave
Jacksonville
unless
they
go
to
high
school
or
college
and
come
back.
Right.
So,
like,
you
need
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
place
to
live
to
do
that.
SPEAKER_01
40:55
You're
describing
how
we
lose
some
of
our
best
talent.
No
quality.
They
go
to
other
cities
for
college
and
they
say
Jacksonville
could
never
provide
me
this,
so
why
bother
to
come
back?
SPEAKER_02
41:04
Quality
of
life.
SPEAKER_01
41:05
But
now
we're
talking
about
an
investment
into
our
communities.
So
share
more.
SPEAKER_02
41:10
And
so,
you
know,
we
had
a
missing
middle
bill.
Rory
Diamond
took
it
and
tried
to
try
to
ram
it
through
City
Council,
and
it
really
kind
of
upset
a
lot
of
communities
who
I
hadn't
really
heard
from
because
they
were
outside
my
district.
Um,
and
even
some
people
within
my
district
and
in
some
of
the
old
urban
core,
some
people
were
really
concerned
about
oh,
there's
just
a
bunch
of
single-family
homes
in
my
area.
Now
I'm
gonna
have
some
big
developer
come
in
and
build
some
god-awful
looking,
you
know,
duplexes
or
triplexes,
add
um,
you
know,
with
maybe
limited
parking
minimums.
SPEAKER_01
41:41
They're
imagining
like
military
housing,
probably.
SPEAKER_02
41:44
Maybe
or
ugly
stuff.
And
by
the
way,
people
let's
be
honest,
some
people
build
ugly
stuff.
They'll
build
the
cheapest,
crummiest
product
um
to
save
a
couple
bucks.
So
it's
it's
not
like
it's
it's
a
it's
a
fantasy
notion.
Um,
however,
if
we
could
if
we
as
a
city
in
our
planning
department
can
say,
hey,
here's
um
pre-approved
housing
schematics.
Um
you
don't
have
to
spend
a
dime,
you
know,
builder
on
any
sort
of
architectural
design.
If
you
use
one
of
these
three,
four,
or
five
uh
designs
that
we
have
here,
hey,
here
you
go.
Um
your
permit
will
take
only
two
days.
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_01
42:17
And
like
you're
saving
time,
you're
saving
money,
you're
saving
effort.
SPEAKER_02
42:20
Yep.
So
if
we
can
do
things
like
that
to
encourage,
because
we
can't
we
can't
necessarily
mandate
things
in
the
state
of
Florida,
haha.
Um
but
but
if
we
can
but
if
we
can
highly
encourage,
it
may
it
may
make
it
a
little
bit
easier.
And
we
just
have
to
like
do
better
explaining.
But
the
point
is
I
had
I
had
folks
who
have
neighborhoods
that
I
feel
like
are
starting
to
um
get
older,
get
to
a
place
where
we
need
more
housing,
and
they
were
pretty
against
this
early
on
and
very
loud.
And
I
was
like,
man,
how
I
thought
this
was
a
naturally
good
thing.
You
know,
shouldn't
everyone
believe
this?
Because
in
Riverside
and
in
Avondale
and
in
Ortiga,
by
the
way,
there's
plenty
of
apartments
in
Ortega
and
duplexes
and
townhomes
and
quads,
and
those
communities
would,
you
know,
love
them.
SPEAKER_01
43:03
Right.
There's
no
vacancies.
Yes.
They're
beautiful,
they're
beautiful
to
walk,
like
you
described
them,
going
to
coffee
in
the
morning.
Yes.
I
tell
my
husband
all
the
time
I
would
happily
leave
our
home
and
move
to
a
two-bedroom
apartment
because
I
am
a
city
girl.
SPEAKER_02
43:17
I
was
about
to
say
you
and
I
are
different,
though.
I
totally
agree
with
you.
SPEAKER_01
43:20
Yeah,
and
I,
you
know,
don't
mind
having
all
the
amenities
in
one
of
those
mixed
use
that
they're
now
developing
in
New
Jersey
or
in
Brooklyn,
the
Brooklyn
and
New
York,
not
the
Brooklyn
Here.
But
the
Brooklyn
in
New
York.
But
also
the
Brooklyn
Here,
yeah.
That's
right.
I
told
you
30-year
overnight
success
story.
I
saw
it
happen.
SPEAKER_02
43:38
No
question.
I
uh
so
my
sister
lived
in
Hoboken
in
the
early
2000s.
Oh,
wait.
And
it
was
the
same
thing.
Like
when
I
remember
moving
her
in,
I
was
like
seven
years
old.
And
my
dad,
who's
a
very
prim
and
proper,
you
know,
Wall
Street
guy,
he
like
looked
around
the
apartment
and
he's
like,
You
sure
you
want
to
live
here?
And
you
look
at
you
look
at
Hoboken.
Yeah,
you
look
at
Hoboken.
In
the
years
that
they
were
living
there,
on
top
of
the
they
bought
a
condo
apartment
up
there.
And
uh
maybe
they
got
it
for
two
hundred
thousand.
Who
the
hell
knows?
And
today
it's
got
to
be
five
million
bucks,
right?
You
know
what
I
mean?
Like
they
uh
uh
uh
but
it
started
somewhere
of
course
it
didn't
I
looked
here
and
people
would
tell
me
we're
gonna
be
the
next
Manhattan
I
thought
to
myself
why
would
you
want
to
be
the
next
be
the
next
hobo
kid
yeah
be
the
next
Jersey
city
yeah
what
are
you
trying
to
be
Manhattan
yeah
we
don't
need
that
I
agree
and
I
mean
Manhattan's
not
doing
so
hot
these
days
either
well
you
know
and
I
I
think
San
Diego
is
a
good
example
I
lived
in
San
Diego
for
a
while
very
similar
vibe
to
Jacksonville
similar
footprint
for
their
downtown
and
it
built
up
really
really
well
and
developed
really
really
well
and
responsibly
and
I
well
when
I
was
living
there
yes
I
haven't
been
there
in
a
while
so
I
lived
there
in
in
09
and
to
11
and
uh
Light Rail Vision And Long Term Planning
SPEAKER_02
44:45
and
I
lived
right
downtown
super
walkable
you
had
kind
of
a
a
a
neighborhood
called
Little
right
next
door
which
I
think
would
be
similar
to
our
Brooklyn
or
San
Marco
like
it's
just
it
developed
so
well
and
had
also
had
reliable
public
transportation
which
is
something
else
we
could
talk
about
all
day
long.
I
think
me
and
your
husband
really
aligns
on
some
stuff
with
that
when
it
comes
to
JTA.
SPEAKER_01
45:05
Oh
yeah
public
transportation
is
one
of
my
pet
peeves
you
and
me
both.
SPEAKER_02
45:09
But
I
wouldn't
do
for
a
light
rail
I
oh
yeah
because
by
the
way
there's
no
better
way
to
connect
one
with
the
largest
contiguous
city
and
to
do
it
now
by
the
way
you
build
and
when
the
moment
we
tell
people
I'm
really
geeking
out
the
moment
we
tell
people
like
where
these
uh
rail
lines
are
going
to
go,
developers
are
going
to
see
that.
And
what
are
they
going
to
do?
They're
gonna
want
to
build
medium
density
stuff
with
mixed
use
and
it's
just
gonna
develop
things
so
much
better
rather
than
the
piecemeal
crap
we're
doing.
You
look
at
Charlotte
I
mean
we
are
such
a
good
we
are
so
similar
to
Mecklenburg
County.
You
know
if
you
took
if
you
take
Duval
County
which
is
essentially
city
of
Jacksonville
and
you
take
Mecklenburg
County
which
is
the
county
that
has
Charlotte
it's
almost
it
was
very
similar
in
terms
of
population
size
for
many
many
years.
Now
Charlotte's
gotten
larger
like
the
county's
gotten
larger
um
but
not
by
too
much.
But
when
they
built
their
light
rail
system
they
had
fewer
people
living
in
it
than
Jacksonville
does
now
and
we
could
we
could
learn
so
many
lessons
from
it
and
we
just
don't
want
to
uh
because
the
claim
is
like
oh
it'll
be
too
expensive.
Well
it'll
be
far
more
expensive
in
25
years
when
we
actually
are
taking
it
seriously
and
we
could
get
ahead
of
um
you
know
bad
planning
now
by
by
saying
where
these
rails
are
going
to
go.
Also
to
buy
the
right
of
way
right
now
would
be
cheaper.
There's
just
a
million
things
that
we
should
be
doing
Oh
it
sounds
like
we
need
to
do
a
part
two
of
this
episode.
Let's
say
ah
we
could
do
we
can
do
a
whole
monthly
segment
if
you
want.
SPEAKER_01
46:29
Oh
my
gosh.
When
your
council
service
eventually
ends
what
do
you
hope
people
will
say
about
Jimmy
Peluso
um
that
he
Legacy Listening Lightning Round And Closing
SPEAKER_01
46:36
listened
that
he
listened.
SPEAKER_02
46:38
And
and
I
really
don't
I
always
say
this
to
people
who
like
think
they're
really
important.
Most
people
don't
know
who
I
am
and
that's
fine.
Like
you
shouldn't
be
doing
this
job
because
you
like
the
title
and
you
like
walking
around
having
people
you
know
you
know
kiss
your
ring.
Half
the
people
who
call
me
now
you
know
whether
it
be
the
Jaguars
or
big
lobbyists
or
whatever
else
they'll
never
call
me
again
when
I'm
done
and
I
have
to
remember
that.
And
I
hope
that
other
people
remember
that
too.
So
I
just
hope
that
like
the
constituents
who
I
really
care
about
who
live
in
my
community
say,
oh
Jimmy
was
good
he
listened.
Yeah
he
listened.
Like
that's
the
big
thing.
But
I
still
I
hope
so
I
mean
I
hope
so.
SPEAKER_01
47:14
What
drives
you
more
impact
service
solving
problems
or
leaving
a
legacy?
SPEAKER_02
47:18
Oh
solving
problems.
I
love
that
I
I
think
the
the
legacy
portion
I
don't
want
it
to
be
oh
this
is
a
Jimmy
Peluso
thing
but
I
do
want
it
to
be
maybe
we
build
light
rail
you
know
downtown
development
goes
to
a
new
level
things
like
that
like
oh
our
parks
are
great
but
I
I
don't
need
people
to
say
like
the
parks
are
great
because
of
Jimmy
Peluso.
I
don't
need
that
I
don't
need
that
I
need
the
the
legacy
to
extend
so
the
solving
the
solving
problems
thing
I
think
is
a
big
one.
SPEAKER_01
47:42
Are
you
ready
for
a
lightning
round?
Let's
do
it
you're
gonna
say
the
first
thing
that
comes
to
mind
coffee
or
tea?
SPEAKER_02
47:47
Coffee.
SPEAKER_01
47:48
Downtown
sunrise
or
beach
sunset?
Downtown
sunrise
Navy
lesson
in
one
sentence
Navy
lesson
in
one
sentence
learn
and
teach.
Favorite
local
hidden
gem
shantytown
pub
one
thing
Jacksonville
needs
more
of
compassion
one
thing
Jacksonville
needs
less
of
corporate
landlords
podcast
you
recommend
Oh
I'm
gonna
give
a
weird
one.
SPEAKER_02
48:20
It's
one
called
1865
it's
about
the
um
right
after
Lincoln
was
shot
and
killed
and
it's
all
a
um
it's
like
a
serial
about
um
Edward
Stanton
who
uh
was
the
then
Secretary
of
War
um
basically
trying
to
find
John
Walk's
booth
and
then
leading
the
nation
in
the
post
um
Civil
War
era
fighting
against
oh
it's
actually
really
interesting
it
sounds
very
cool
but
no
it's
you
gotta
be
a
total
nerd
to
be
into
it
and
I
listened
to
it
during
COVID.
It's
me
and
my
sister
still
talk
about
it.
It's
super
fascinating.
If
not
public
service
what
would
you
be
doing
um
I
think
working
for
a
nonprofit
um
doing
you
know
raising
money
for
a
good
cause
stuff
like
that.
SPEAKER_01
49:06
Well
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
being
so
authentic
and
open.
I
uh
usually
don't
ask
hard
questions
but
you
hit
all
of
my
important
topics
with
compassion
and
eloquence.
Cities
are
fascinating
because
they're
really
just
giant
collections
of
people
trying
to
coexist
people
with
different
priorities,
different
neighborhoods,
politics,
fears,
dreams
and
somewhere
in
the
middle
sits
local
government
not
perfect,
not
glamorous,
but
necessary
because
while
national
politics
often
grab
the
headlines
local
government
determines
the
roads
we
drive
on,
the
parks
our
kids
play
in
the
businesses
that
open
nearby
and
whether
communities
feel
forgotten
or
invested
in.
Today's
conversation
wasn't
really
just
about
one
council
member.
It
was
about
service
and
showing
up
about
asking
difficult
questions
and
understanding
what
people
need,
meeting
them
where
they're
at
and
listening.
Every
vote
eventually
becomes
someone's
event
reality
because
long
before
policies
become
headlines,
they
become
people.
SPEAKER_02
50:05
And
maybe
that's
where
good
leadership
begins
seeing
and
hearing
people
first
thank
you
Jimmy
No
thank
you
I'm
I'm
very
very
grateful
you
asked
me
to
come
and
this
was
a
lot
of
fun.
SPEAKER_01
50:15
I
appreciate
it.
Now
it's
time
for
our
honorable
mention.
Honorable Mention On Rental Housing Crisis
SPEAKER_01
50:19
Mensch
is
the
Yiddish
word
for
someone
who
shows
up
with
integrity,
responsibility
and
heart.
Today's
honorable
mensch
goes
to
two
people
David
Jaffe
and
Katie
Renzi
for
their
groundbreaking
work
on
the
financialization
of
human
shelter
the
rental
housing
crisis
in
a
sunbuilt
city.
There
are
certain
phrases
that
stop
you
in
your
tracks
the
first
time
you
hear
them
the
financialization
of
human
shelter
is
the
one
that
stopped
me
because
home
is
supposed
to
mean
safety,
stability
dignity
the
place
where
children
do
homework
at
the
kitchen
table
where
families
recover
from
illness
where
someone
takes
their
last
breath
where
somebody
finally
exhales
after
the
hardest
day
of
their
life.
And
yet
somewhere
along
the
way
shelter
became
portfolio
strategy.
David
and
Katie
had
the
courage
to
put
language
to
something
so
many
working
families
in
Jacksonville
have
been
feeling
but
could
not
fully
articulate.
They
examined
how
corporate
ownership
private
equity
and
profit
driven
housing
systems
are
reshaping
communities
and
pushing
people
further
away
from
civility
and
security
but
what
makes
them
honorable
men
is
not
simply
the
research.
It's
the
humanity
behind
it
because
they're
not
talking
about
housing
as
numbers
on
a
spreadsheet.
They're
talking
about
the
people
the
single
mother
trying
to
stay
in
her
child
school
district
the
senior
terrified
of
another
rent
increase
or
mold
the
young
professional
working
full
time
and
still
unable
to
afford
a
safe
apartment
the
family
one
unexpected
emergency
away
from
losing
everything.
Dr.
Jaffe's
work
through
the
JAX
Rental
Housing
Project
and
tenant
advocacy
efforts
has
consistently
centered
the
voices
of
renters
and
working
families
in
Jacksonville.
And
in
a
world
where
so
many
people
profit
from
the
crises
David
and
Katie
chose
to
study
it,
expose
it
and
challenge
us
to
think
more
deeply
about
what
kind
of
community
we
actually
want
to
build
so
that
people
like
Jimmy
Peluso
can
help
us
get
there.
Because
housing
should
never
become
so
financialized
that
we
forget
the
human
beings
living
inside
the
walls.
And
that
my
friends
are
what
honorable
men
should
look
like.
SPEAKER_02
52:10
And
they
are
certainly
that
was
a
good
one.
SPEAKER_01
52:13
That
will
do
Final Thoughts And Share The Conversation
SPEAKER_01
52:14
it
for
us
today.
Thank
you
for
joining
me
for
another
episode
of
Shmooze
with
Suze
if
this
conversation
made
you
think
feel
or
see
something
a
little
differently
share
it.
Because
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dose
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chutzbah.
I'm
Suze
your
well
informed
smart
ass
reminding
you
what's
an
envelope
if
not
for
pushing.
Stay
inspired
and
inspiring.
SPEAKER_02
52:36
Thank
you
so
much.
SPEAKER_01
52:37
Thank
you.
