Badr Milligan:
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Hey everybody, welcome back to The jpu Show. I'm your co host and one of the co founders of the Jax podcasters united group. My name is Badr Milligan, and I've got my right hand woman, BlytheBbrumleve Do it for me as well. What up Blythe? How you doing?
Blythe Brumleve:
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Hello, hello. How's it going?
Badr Milligan:
0:15
You know, going
Blythe Brumleve:
0:16
good. You're five feet away from me, or at 15 feet, I guess I should say,
Badr Milligan:
0:22
Yeah, let's be we're accurate on this show things are going well, minus this is really crappy weather out here. Even my coworkers on my day job have have noticed and made note of how crappy the weather is for Florida. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's not like, we're not used I don't want to make this a weather podcast, just saying that five straight days of gloominess and rain, five, yeah, is in and we still got so more, much more to go. I'm used to like, you know, go. I'm used to the, you know, set your clock is going to rain for 10 minutes at four o'clock. And here we are. I feel like I'm living in Portland, and I guess I owe an apologies to everyone I've ever made fun of that lives in Portland or lives in a climate where the weather isn't great,
Blythe Brumleve:
1:10
Jesus, because it's affecting my mental health I don't get at least I love my sunshine in the morning, right on my face. I try to get it, you know, do the whole tech bro health advice, where you get the sun on your face before you start drinking your coffee, not to like the cold plunges or any of that yet, but I am missing the sun on my face in the morning. But if you're if you're looking to better understand the weather, cheap little podcast plug. I just got done doing an entire NASA series on NOAA National Oceanic and, oh my god, I'm a blank on that National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. So basically the they're the weather people, the weather data people that supply all of the data for all of our apps. So if you want some insight into how weather is predicted and how that data is gathered, just dropped an episode on everything is logistics.
Badr Milligan:
2:08
I can give you. I'll give you one of these. That was a seamless shameless plug. I was like, Oh man, I opened up a can of worms. My least favorite, I guess, like opener is weather talk and podcast or any kind of meeting. Granted, I'm a you know, guilty of it, but you managed to make your work and tie it right back to podcasting, which I use as a pivot to get us going for that first topic, or, I guess, the topic of this video here today, which is all about supporting creators and podcasters on Patreon. And really I I focus on Patreon because it's what I'm used to. It's what I use. It's for my own podcast and supporting creators. But I think in general, let's just talk about supporting creators, because that is something I don't one, I don't think we've ever, we've covered it here on the show. Two, I'm a big advocate for it, and I think I've become a bigger advocate for it as we've been hosting these, these podcaster meetups on regular basis. And, you know, meeting other podcasters, also having other podcasters on, guessing another podcaster show, I have found myself supporting more podcasters on Patreon than in the last year, I'd say, two years than I probably have ever had on my own. Actually, just last week, I was a guest on another comic book podcast, a YouTube show at that. But he's got an audio component as well, and this is a show that I watch on a regular basis. I mean, every Wednesday or every Tuesday I check out his videos. I'll have them on in the background. And I was admittedly pretty excited to be a guest on the show, because I respect the quality of work he does. He's a good host. And after having an almost two hour conversation, I left that podcast thinking, wow, it was even better to be behind, you know, like to be on this side, you know, rather than watching and being a viewer, which I'm happy about, it was really inspiring, yeah, best to be guest. I was like, wow, I don't have to do nothing with this. He's gonna put it up for me. He's gonna edit it, you know, it was like, nice to not have to worry about that. But I immediately went on his YouTube. Actually, I went on his YouTube and saw that he has a membership platform, which I knew about YouTube rolling that feature out. But I think something about actually, you know, signing up for it and paying for it, which was seamless, because it's attached, you know, YouTube is owned by Google, so it had my, you know, cards and payment information already saved. And it was very seamless, I think, when Patreon first launched, and when I was first getting into Patreon. You know, you got to set a separate, uh, login and things like that, set up your payment account and details. But I found that signing up for YouTube membership was really easy, so I'm now a proud member of the comics YouTube membership family is what I'm gonna call it. So it got me thinking about not only my own patrons and being on Patreon, but also, like, you know, role reversal, like, let's put a spotlight on the creators that we both support. But I think one of the nicest things that you can do as a listener, or just someone that appreciates someone else's content is supporting financially, right? I think that's a big step, um, you know, because no one wants to add another bill. You know, it's already hard out here economic times. You know, it's Penny pension and all that. There's already enough things you pay for. So I think one of the biggest and nicest things that you could do is supporting a creator that you enjoy on a regular basis. And that was kind of the realization I had of Bj and his comments are dope, is that, well, he gives me, you know, he's a part. He gives me value every week. You know, whether it be him just talking about new comic books or an interview, there's value that I get into it, and it's now become a part of my schedule. And I think for me, that is the turning point when I when I finally decide, okay, I want to support this because it's become ingrained in part of my schedule. There's the entertainment, there's a value there. I feel like there's a connection there. So I want that to keep going. And I think that is a common thing among all the creators that I support, which by my count, is about five different podcasts I support, the oblivion bar podcast, a big shout out to Chris, a friend of mine. I support the first issue club. And comics are dope. Those are my three comic book podcasts, which is my limit, right there. You know, I can only spread the wealth so much. And then I support the one at podcast, which is the podcast that got me into podcasting all those years ago. And I support one other Patreon, which is called Hip Hop VCR. And what they do is they specifically share video content from like the old NTV days and VH one and B, E, T and like these music segments, these interviews, like, you know, MTV, I think it's called True Life, or my life, you know, where they were true life, yeah, where you well, not true there was true life. And I think my life, my life was centered around a celebrity or a musician. You know, it was MTV. So there was an episode about Chris Rock, you know, you got to follow him around for a day or two. And well, would be HIPAA, VHS does, or VCR does, is that he finds all these old segments that are not online, that MTV is not showing on their channel, and he'll post it on his Patreon. So for me, being kind of a data hoarder, baby data hoarder, or an aspiring data hoarder, I value that that someone is doing the work of preserving, cataloging and archiving these things from my childhood I enjoy. So for me, those are as my long winded way of saying, I support creators. I am honored to be supported by people that enjoy my own podcast content. I was curious to hear, what creators do you support? Do they offer any you know, special perks like, what is it about the creators that you support that draw you to them. So I
Blythe Brumleve:
8:01
started supporting creators during 2020 during all the you know, obviously everybody knows what happened in 2020 but I felt compelled to start supporting people and creators that maybe had had their livelihood affected. It was just one of those things. Well, I didn't really have like, those sort of, like, altruistic goals. It was just, you know, some bad stuff is going on in the world, like these people are creating content to sort of distract us from those bad things, and so I want to be able to show support. I'd always wanted to support creators, but it was always, you know, one of those back burner items, like, Oh, I'll get signed up eventually. And just never did. And then find that was kind of the catalyst was, was that summer, you know, just choosing to support a bunch of different people on Patreon. I have recently gone into Patreon and started deactivating those because some of them, they, you know, they just, some of them deactivated me, like they just deact it, not necessarily me, but they deactivated their me. That's what they gave you well, they they just stopped making content, and they stopped making Patreon content. And I mean, I appreciate that, that they put, you know, subscriptions on pause, or any kind of charges on pause. But I'll be frank, I don't particularly like Patreon. I don't like checking the app. I don't like logging in. I find no value to it, and it doesn't really fit into my day. What I do find value in is if you have a private podcast feed or something like that, and I add it to the app I'm already listening in. And so if I don't do that. It's kind of just something that I ignore. So Patreon, I have slimmed down to only two creators, so you're one of them. Even though I don't get any of these mailing perks that you mail out to I
Badr Milligan:
9:54
haven't quite finished mail. I haven't even mailed out yet, but you are getting I'm gonna mail it to you, even though I could just walk. Look at 15 feet crazy. It'll be the easiest delivery. I'm
Blythe Brumleve:
10:07
sure you are not wasting a stamp on that. So we will. We'll say that another one that I support is a company called truck and hustle that's more on the logistics side of things. They talk to entrepreneurs or aspiring entrepreneurs who want to get into trucking. And then I support a lot of people outside of Patreon. So I am a big especially with, you know, this medium and the My Content prioritizations over really, the last decade. I really prioritize, and find it very important to support independent journalists, and so that's where a lot of my funding goes to. So I support breaking points. I support Glenn Greenwald. I support Matt Taibbi. Locally, I support the Jax tributary. So instead of like a Florida Times Union subscription, which goes to like a mega corporate conglomerate. I much rather would prefer to support local journalists who are building their business from the ground up. And it's pretty afford. I think it's like 45 bucks a year to support local journalism. And these are it's very important, from a journalist standpoint, to support those people who are making those moves locally, like a lot of the other people I just mentioned, are very much like nationally or even globally, reporting on the news. It's changed my entire sort of like news consumption, where I I find myself getting less, I guess, in the weeds of a traditional broadcast journal, you know, the NBCs, the ABCs, CBS is of the world. I frankly, don't trust them anymore. So I trust certain individuals to not have or to be beholden to me as the as the supporter of their channel, instead of to, you know, major like pharmaceutical companies, for example, that think they're something crazy, like, they support like, 70% of all television advertisements. If you have a company like that, or an industry like that, you are going to naturally be biased to favorable coverage for that industry. And so I think it's very important to support independent journalists. Don't necessarily. Oh, and then there's one that I recently subscribed to. Her name is Bianca graloo, probably mispronouncing her last name, but she is like a she's an independent journalist. She worked for major companies, and she started to expose a lot of the think, what does she call it? Plantation tourism, I think that's yeah, or the plantation economy, which is essentially happy happening in like Puerto Rico or Central and South America. She is sort of boots on the ground talking to locals. Love her work, and so I finally did subscribe to her recently. So she is she even had recently a report that she was covering, you know, a lot of, you know, sort of questionable. Is it a crime? Is it not a crime? Major resort was involved, and the resort put in a call to the company that she was working at to pull the pull her story. And so instead, she quit the company and then went out on her own and decided to release the same story of all of the work that she spent months working on this. And so she finally releases her own, you know, YouTube channel. She's She's great. I wonder if we should maybe link to all of these people in the show notes. But those kinds of people I feel very passionate about supporting in its it's feels like such a small amount of money, four or five bucks a month, which those things do add up. But I think, you know what the I I think, just with the current media landscape and everything that's going on, how we digest information, and how that's rapidly shifted in the last five years, even the last couple of years. I think it's very important to support the people who are putting in the work for content that takes a long time to produce. The story I just mentioned with Bianca, she spent months on this story, and you have to support people like that, and that's why a lot of journalism, we don't have that anymore at the local level, at the state or even national level, and so being able to, I have a lot of pride and encourage people to support the people that you think are are making an impact and telling the stories that you think deserve to be told. Obviously you have to, you know, make sure that you research them ongoingly, because there was a major story that just got released. You know, at the Department of Justice is investigating all of these. You know, I. Uh, right wing, I guess, political pundits, and they gave them, like a, I don't know if you you saw this, but they gave them, like $100,000 for a video a month. That is insane. And they didn't ask questions
Badr Milligan:
15:14
they could be getting away with,
Blythe Brumleve:
15:16
yeah. And so when you think about the incentives behind creating content. You're either going to do it through a Patreon slash independent subscription model, or you're going to get sponsors. Some people do both of those things, but you have to kind of look at those sponsors and where their biases might land. I don't think that's so much of an issue with the industries that we cover, but maybe some of the people that I support from an independent journalist side, I might look at them a little sideways if they start taking like Pfizer ads or something like that. They don't, but I would probably cancel my subscription to them if they did. And so this gives these creators, and it gives these independent journalists much more incentive to report the truth and then, or at least the the truth that they are uncovering. And so that's, uh, that's primarily where I stand as far as, like, extra perks, like, it's really just extra content that you get from these folks. You get instant access, or you get it's pretty much like instant access. I know breaking points, for example, you get access to the full show if you weren't a subscriber, or if you weren't a premium member. For them, then you would still see their show, but you would see it in different clips and segments. If you wouldn't be able to watch the full show right off the bat. And, you know, they have, like, amas, and, you know, ask me anything, little things like that. But I don't, I don't really participate in the any of that stuff. I do it more for, like, I guess, the just the support of independent journalists, and
Badr Milligan:
16:56
I see that is a common thing that I'm hearing, why you support these creators that you highlighted, and I think there's a lot of overlap, same with me, where there's just a level of respect from like, one Creator to another. With BJ, for example, after the interview ended, I started thinking about all the things that he probably has to do that is pretty similar to what I think I have to do when many podcasters have to do. He's going to edit the video. It's going to take a while. He's going to make sure that audio is up. He's going to create graphics, descriptions, titles, etc. No matter how he goes about doing that, I can respect the work that it takes to get that episode out and continue the channel and keeping that alive. And that's where my that, that's, I think what sways me a lot is from one like podcasters to another. I just respect it, and I want to give that same sense of motivation and appreciation that I get, you know, like it's always a blessing anytime I get an email that says you got a new subscriber, or, you know, a new patron. And I've been lucky enough to get, you know, patronage from other podcasters that I've guessed it on, or know or work with. And, yeah, it just got me thinking that the only people that are going to support are I don't. I just feel like, as a podcaster, you should support other podcasters because, you know, the level of work that goes in. And how can this, how this can sometimes feel like a silo thing, or the doubt that creeps in? I just, yeah, I guess I wanted to bring this up as a topic to encourage anyone out there that's listening, that is asking for, you know, if you're asking for patrons and people to support your show, maybe ask yourself, are you also returning that favor? I'm all about, you know, balance and you know, putting out good in the world, and, you know, hoping for it to come back, but not expecting it. So, yeah, same thing here. I'm thinking about some of the additional perks that these guys offer. And if I'm being honest with you, and I think it's probably safe to say for even my own patrons, that support the short box Patreon, I've been told by a few of them, hey, I the I get overwhelmed. I don't ever even have time to listen to the regular episodes, much less your bonus episodes. I just know I feel good knowing that you're keeping it going. And you know, any way I can help to your point, you know, I think my highest tier $7 a month. That's the price of, I don't know that's a the price of a carton of, I don't know, a carton of eggs or something, you know, that's like, maybe the price of, uh, cage free eggs, maybe not, you know, organic free roam. Anyways, you know, that's the price of, maybe, what, one, maybe one coffee. I was about to say two coffees, but, you know, maybe one coffee. Maybe, look at it,
Blythe Brumleve:
19:38
$7
Badr Milligan:
19:39
but when you look at it like, I'm, I'm, I'm only asking that one time a month, you know, like, I think when you start, when you step back and really think about the time that that we put in the and not just editing, you know, I think a lot of people just think that, like, oh, just the amount of editing, it's like, everything that is all encompassing. How. Always on the mind, and consistency too, I think should be rewarded. So, yeah, I think that is kind of where I want to land at, and is, if you are a page, if you're a podcaster, you know, think about the folks that add value, other shows, other podcasters, hosts, etc, that add value to your life, that inspire you to keep you going, and how you can contribute to that, because it goes such a long way in terms of morale and also, like, you're right, that stuff does add up, you know, I've been able to cover upgrade equipment, or, you know, it covers my Riverside, you know, subscription. So, you know, just, I think it's a great thing to do. And you know, if you're asking for help dish that out as well, well,
Blythe Brumleve:
20:47
I will say too. Speaking of costs, you know, we just, I think we me mostly bitched about, you know, stream yard, doubling their prices. That news recently came out, depending on when you're listening to this, but these costs, I mean, it's not it's not cheap to manage a podcast, to have a podcast, to edit it, to distribute it, not only the the money that you spend, but the time. So for folks who, who may not have that extra budget, you know, consider maybe recording promo, swap ad or something like that, where it only costs you time and it doesn't cost you any money, but you could, you know, drop them a review, share the podcast with you know, your friends that you think that would be interested in, and share it on social media. So you can do a lot of things that don't necessarily have monetary value, just maybe share it frequently?
Badr Milligan:
21:42
No, I think that's a fantastic one
Blythe Brumleve:
21:44
time and be like, I Oh, I'm done. I've done my my work. Maybe, maybe one
Badr Milligan:
21:48
time for the year is over. Check out the short bites. No, I think that's a good actually, a better point to end it on is that there are multiple ways to support your favorite podcast. Maybe it doesn't have to be monetary. Obviously, that's probably like the best way. But, you know, just thinking about some of the free ways, or, you know, impactful ways, you can support a podcaster and your favorite show, like you said, I think sharing episodes with people that you think would like it, you know, if you're a fan of a show, chances are you probably know some other people, whether it be friends, family, associates, workers, whatever, co workers that might enjoy the same content, I think, and all of that. But that is one of the best ways of growing, you know, a podcast is, is people recommending word of mouth goes a long way. I know, personally speaking, I have a lot of listeners that found out about the show through a friend or someone sharing the episode. So you know, that's always free to share an episode and word of mouth, and to your point, leaving a rating and review takes not even a minute, depending on how wordy you want to be for your review. But that goes a long way in terms of having that public facing visibility and accreditation that, hey, you know, someone likes the show, or, you know, hundreds of people like this show, maybe I will like it too. So rating and reviews, sharing episodes, you know, telling a friend go a long way. I know there's some platforms that aren't as rigid, or don't require nearly as much investment in terms of, like, a recurring maybe you don't want to add another bill and have to maintain all right, even though this is five bucks a month, I've got to worry. Whatever it may be. There are platforms like Kofi or kofi, I would say it wrong that you can do a one time little donation. Hey, here's 20 bucks. I think that is a great way of having that monetary giving that monetary support without all of the the responsibility that comes with it. And obviously even $1 is better than nothing, but if you are in that position where maybe you don't want to do it monetarily, there is so many other impactful ways of supporting your favorite podcast. So that being said, I want to hear from our listeners. Let's turn the table on them. Let us know what podcasts or shows that you support. Is there any, uh, special perks that you get from these shows that you support, that that you know make you a fan, that are the driving factor for you to support this, like, what elements and factors do you look towards to support a show or a podcast or become a patron and such, we'd be curious, and would love to hear that. That being said, That is our show for today. I want to thank like from leaf for being here with me once again. We just got done talking about supporting podcasters on Patreon and making a case for everyone to do so. Let us know your thoughts and comments in the comment section of YouTube. Send us fan mail if you're listening to the audio version, we've got a link in the show notes as well, and while you're at it, why not go and leave us a rating review? That'd mean a lot to us as well. All right, y'all catch you next time. Peace, you.
