Now, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple A Nukes. As always, I'm your host Mr. Whiskey, and be sure to check out the website for this podcast and email us at couple of [email protected] if you wanna be featured on the show or have us review a particular topic.
But yeah, today I am here with Sean Douglas. He is a United States Air Force veteran of over 20 years. And I'm gonna pass him the mic and let him introduce himself for us and for y'all, because he has so much to offer. Hey man. Thanks for having me. Uh, yeah, man. I spent 20 years and four days in the US Air Force and retired after, after that time, which would've taken me to December 1st, 2021.
And in that time I was an aircraft mechanic. So I was basically a crew chief on F fifteens, F sixteens, F 20 twos, a tens, uh, did security forces for, for a little while, did four years of basic training, drill instructor, and it was a, it was a fun and amazing 20 years, man. Yeah, I can imagine. So you kind of just got out pretty recently here.
Do you still feel like you're transitioning out or have you gotten a pretty good hold of everything or did you start kind of planning everything well before you got out? Oh yeah, you gotta plan well ahead. Most of the time people will plan maybe like a couple months out. Uh, I was already building businesses and already establishing myself on the outside, well, before I even retired.
But yeah, that, that is kind of a, that is kind of a unique question. Uh, I do feel like I'm still transitioning because 20 years of, of service, it's been, I mean, it's only been two years since I've been out, you know? Right. So it doesn't feel like two years Feels like yesterday. Not too long ago. Yeah, not too long ago.
But then if you look back at the time, you're like, wow, that really was like two years ago. Right. Just, I mean, you know, but then, but then if you look at the time that I served, you know, it feels like a lifetime ago. So, I don't know. It's kinda weird. Yeah. No, I get that because I, well, I. Come this May, I'll hit my one year mark.
So I just passed my half year mark not too long ago. Mm-hmm. I think it was like November and I'm like, wow, I can't believe it's been that long already. 'cause it feels like it's just been a few days since I got out. And at the same time it's that, that seems like a completely different life. I lived like a past life and we talk a lot on this show about struggling with having a purpose and identity once you get out.
Especially the guys who are in guys and girls who are in for a really long time. How it becomes, you know, the only thing about them, that's their whole identity. Obviously. You stated that you started setting up businesses ahead of time and stuff, so did you kind of have a free established identity or are you still struggling with not being in the Air Force anymore?
As far as like, you know, that became your life? Like how do you feel about that? Nah, no, no, no. That so very excellent question. I delivered my third TEDx talk earlier in 2023. And ironically, that theme was identity. And I talked about how in the military, you're given the identity of the top 1% of everybody who will ever, you know, serve in the military.
You are the top 1% that the American population has to offer, right? Given this identity of the best of the best. And then when you're done with the military, you take off the uniform for the last time, it's like, that's it. That was your life, that uniform, that patch, that flag. So yeah, there is a little bit of identity crisis because, not like now who am I?
Who am I at my core? And I used to ask myself that all the time. Like, who am I at my core? Who am I right? Am I just this American airman? In the, in the greatest air force on the planet, or is there more? And so, yes, we, we, we are deep, deeply rooted in our identity as an American service, you know, man or woman.
But more than that, it's the reason why we served is where our, our identity should lie, because that is our true character. You know, and there's a, there's a amazing Bible quote, whether you, you like the Bible or not, or, or whatever you believes are, he says, there is no greater love than a man who will lay down his life for his friends.
And you see a lot of military pictures of brothers and sisters serving together in the desert under fire. And then there's that Bible quote, right? But like, why? But like why would you serve? So you, so instead of putting the identity into your uniform, put the identity into the why into your own personal mission behind why you're serving.
And it's a little bit easier when you transition out because that mission is still there. You know, it was very, very hard for me to take off the uniform. And there was a, there was a, there was a Solem Mo, I'm telling you man, there was a solemn moment. I had my blues, I had my greens, and it was like, whew.
Like this is a little bit harder than I thought, you know? And I'm put 'em all away and my garbage bag, I zip it up and I'm like, never gonna wear this again. Last day in the uniform, you know? It was, it was hard taking it off. That's awesome. You know, it's very different from, unfortunately, a lot of the guests I have on.
A lot of, you know, the sailors and soldiers I'm in contact with and the airmen, a lot of them are very eager to take it off, you know, so it's nice and refreshing to hear a different, you know, different style of that, to have that American pride and what you did and what you served. And I'm gonna ask you a couple questions now.
'cause you said you were asking yourself who you were, and I wanna know, did you find the answer? How did you find the answer? And you're talking about the why we serve. So obviously, Mr. Douglas, we gotta ask you why you served, and I'm going to go out there and kind of say probably changed for you over time when you first joined.
I'm assuming you started outta high school or somewhere around that time. And then as you served, I mean you did a full 20 years. So that's multiple lifetimes almost within the service itself. So how did that answer change over time? Yes, I did find who I was long before I ever got out. It wasn't until I went back to basic training that I actually found who I was.
The why, like, 'cause sometimes it changes. Um, here's, here's the big thing. So I joined right after nine 11 and I was actually working at Discount Tire as a warehouse manager and living with my mom, 18 years old. I mean, pretty good, pretty good pay, you know, as a, as a manager at 18, I mean, it's really decent pay.
And then nine 11 happened and I was like, that. That's it. That's my dare to be Great moment. You know, I, I graduated high school with like maybe a 2.0. Like I was like a, a c and D student. Didn't go to college, was not gonna go to college. I just needed to find. What I wanted to do. Like I, I had so many things I wanted to do with my life and so many things that I was doing.
But that was, that was the thing. My dad was in the Air Force, my brother-in-law was in the Marines. Both of my grandfather served during the Korean War. I have other family members that were also in the Army and the Navy. And like my aunt was in the Navy, you know. So, you know, we have a very rich military history in our family.
And I just, I don't know, like I, I guess I could, I don't know. And it's kind of going back and forth on it. You know, what I want to, I'm not sure. And then after that nine 11, boom, that was it. I was like, I'm out. That's it. And I left, uh, I left about a month and a half later. I left in November. Just 'cause of how the time worked, you know, and my, my reason for joining at the time, you know, everybody was real patriotic.
Everybody was really about like America first and you know, all that stuff. And I wasn't doing anything with my life. So it was kind of like, I want to give back, I wanna serve. And I've always had a servant heart. And that's kind of what's guided me the whole time, you know, coming from a place of service.
And those were instilled in me as a kid, as a teenager, as an adult, you know, from my mom, my grandfather who served in the, in the, you know, in the army having a servant heart. And it kind of changed a little bit. As you get into the military and you get your paychecks, you figure out your duty station, like my first duty station was in England, so of course America in Europe or an American in Europe, partying all the time.
Clubs, bars, taking trips. I mean, it was just, I was living a rockstar lifestyle, then developed a drinking problem like all military members should. Right, right. Yeah. And, and uh, it kind of was my downfall. You know, I was building up businesses. I was, I was doing amazing work in and out of the military. And it got to a point in 2008 where just I crumbled, absolutely crumbled, came back from a really, really horrible deployment.
And I just crumbled. Everything around me just crumbled. My marriage was over, business was lost. I lost myself drinking. And, and you know, it, it's always harder on deployment. It's even harder when some of you don't return. So it's just Right. It was, it was really hard. And then I overcame that, you know, with the help of like, I got therapy and like all the stuff that you should do.
My boss, you know, my commander, you know, they all made me do that stuff. And they said, you need to go to basic training. You, you, you need, you lost yourself. You lost your why. You need to go back to basics. So they recommended me that I go be an instructor in basic training. Filled out all the stuff, did all the things, got the prerequisites, boom, got it.
And I was like, no kidding. And then I went to be a drill instructor and that's when I learned how to teach, train, coach, mentor, instruct, all of that. And so I had this, this moment in my life, this deep, dark night of the soul moment. Then I went to basic training, learned how to talk about it, teach it, train it.
So I became a speaker. And then after basic training, I developed a platform to tell my story on. So it was just amazing how it worked out. Then I found my why again to become a, you know, lead from a servant heart and to always give back to, to give more than I take. And that fuels me as a speaker and as a trainer Now.
That's awesome. Obviously, we're sorry to hear about your deployment, and we'll get a little bit into that if you're comfortable talking about that. But first I gotta say and, and I hate to tease you a little bit about it, but. The falling apart marriage is kind of a requirement if you're in the military, especially if you're gonna stay in for a long time.
I'm, I'm sure you can concur Oh yeah, Mr. Douglas, that most of the higher ups have that, uh, in the Navy. It's like if you're gonna be a chief, you need at least two divorces or 1D UI or and a DI divorce and three DUIs. Yep. Yeah. You can't be, you can't be an E nine in the military without at least two divorces, or at least a ddu I or an Article 15 of some kind.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. It's funny that you say that. Yeah. So, just to keep things a little lighthearted, for the time being, can you tell us a little bit about your time in England, where you were, what kind of cities you hit up in, the kind of trouble you got into? Oh, my, oh, pretty sure I got kids over there somewhere.
Pretty sure. Yeah. That, that sounds about right. Yeah, I got pretty sure. Yeah. I mean, you're what, 18, 19 years old? In Europe, you know, so we were about 80 miles, uh, southeast of London. I was stationed at REF Lakenheath and Scotland was like every three or four day weekend, so Oh wow. Yeah, that's, that's, that's probably where the drinking was happening.
Oh yeah. And it was like three hours away, you know. So you would just get in your car and just drive up three hours and you're in Edinburgh. Yeah, that's nothing com compared to it. It always blows my mind, you know, I having driven plenty around America, I mean, it takes three hours just to get, you know, from one state to another, sometimes a, a quarter of a way through a state.
Meanwhile, over there you can drive an hour or two and you're in a different country. Yep, yep. Absolutely. So we went to Nottingham one time because it was the only Hooters in all of England at the time. This is like 2000. 2004. Wow. And, uh, and Nottingham was about two hours away, up, up towards Scotland. And been all around, all of all of England, explored everywhere, you know, been to York.
It was actually funny story. We were, me and two other guys, we were coming back from a trip, uh, to Scotland, and we see these, these very beautiful girls on the, on the freeway. And so, of course my buddy's like trying to wave at him. He's like, Hey, what's up? You know, and Right. So he's, he's like trying to flag him down or whatever.
He's like, gimme something to write on. Like, gimme something. And I don't know, I don't know why, but we had like a, I think we had like a notebook, or we had some kind of paper. We, we had some kind of like papers or whatever, right? So he write on the back of 'em, like the phone number, you know, and then they write on, they had like this notebook or whatever.
It's so crazy. Like they're putting their number up or like, okay, look, get the numbers, like get the number. So, so of course a call, whatever, and we're like next to them. And my buddy's in the passenger seat, like talking to these girls and they're, I guess from an all girl college in York. Oh, wow. You already know That means they're, they're kind of crazy.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And they're like, yeah, we're heading to like a party. Like we're gonna come hang out, you know, whatever. And it was, and we were just coming back like, 'cause we would always come back like that day and then just kind of hang out. But we're like, let's go back a day early. Well, we went back a day early.
It was like a, it was like a holiday or whatever. Oh yeah. We're, we're, we're on holiday and uh, we're this party, you know, like whatever. So instead of going home, we ended up following these girls to like this one party or whatever, and start and, and partied with a bunch of girls from York Co. Like all girl College.
Oh my God. It was a great night, let me tell you. It was an amazing night. Is that where the, the kids might be from? I think so. I think they're up there somewhere. But I mean, that's the things though, man. It was like living a rockstar lifestyle, man. You're 18, 19 years old. Not a care in the world. You know, we used to go to Scotland every year for New Year's because it was the largest party in Europe.
They shut down the streets. Nobody's allowed to drive in or outta the city. Wow. They shut down the roads in and outta the city. That sounds like a good time. Oh my God, dude, it is amazing. The clubs and the bars are are insane in Scotland, man. It is. It is. Like Party Central, like nothing I've ever seen, you know, and I've been to, oh man, I've been to Italy, Spain, Germany, Norway, Scotland, Ireland, uh, Singapore, Belgium, and Amsterdam.
Uh, where else? That's just off top of my head. Right. That's, that's funny. I've probably been to more Yeah. All, all in three years. All within three years. Yeah. Oh yeah. Were you, were you living paycheck to paycheck at that point? Oh dude, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's no saving money. No. Why would I save money?
I gotta go party. I got things to do. I got places to see. Yeah. I feel that. Did you have a go-to drink? Oh, oh, yep. Yep. So there was two of them that I, that my go-to drink was. So in England you have, um, what's it called? The strong bow cider. Super Gun. Well, if you top it off with a Guinness, it makes a very thick marshmallow.
Interesting. And then it, and then what we would do is we would put, like, I, I don't know what it's called here, but it's a, it's like a red, um, coloring, but it's called black Current over there. Okay. It's like a, I don't know, you forgot what it's called, but there's like a red, um, coloring or whatever that you put in alcoholic drinks or whatever.
You know, you do the same thing, but it, it, it's just really good, like really, really good. Or I would drink, uh, double jacks and Dr. Pepper 'cause jack is already peppery. Anyways, combine that with the Dr. Pepper and it is amazing. It does not taste like a Jack and Coke, where it's like watered down, you water down the jack.
Like, it really highlights the jack. And most people who drink whiskey, they're like, I would've never thought to put Dr. Pepper. And I'm be like, oh, no, no, no. You got to put Dr. Pepper in your, in your jack. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah. I'll have to try it sometime. I, I may be Mr. Whiskey, but I just drink it straight.
I don't really like to, I don't really like dark sodas, so the only time I mix a soda into alcohol is like, I'll do, uh, Malibu, coconut Rum and Sprite is pretty good, but yep. I like the Tennessee honey. Man. That's, that's good. That's great. That's what I'm looking at right now in my room. I had it right across me and I was looking at that and as soon as you said Jack, I was like, maybe, maybe after this episode I might go, go ahead and treat myself.
Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah. So let's see. I want to ask you about deployment. So did you get sent to the Middle East? Oh yeah. Were you like in a, you were in combat, been business times, so you were in combat. So what exactly was your rate, or I don't know if the Air Force calls it MOS or what have you, but what was your job in the Air Force?
Yeah, it's an A FSC, uh, uh, basically, um, an Air Force, um, specialty classification basically. So, uh, I was a tactical aircraft maintenance specialist. So basically like a crew chief. Right. Uh, we didn't really like, so as a crew chief, I mean, you just, you stay back with the planes and you're just, you know, you're a mechanic.
Right, right. So my first deployment was in 2003. We were stationed over in the Middle East and then we were there during the invasion. And when they took over the, um, Baghdad airport, we flew in with our F fifteens, you know, and, uh, you know, started doing mission straight from the Baghdad airport and then they had the F sixteens there and, you know, all the stuff.
But there's a special duty that crew chiefs and maintainers for aircraft that they do, and it's a BDR, which is aircraft battle damage repair. Oh, wow. So you have to go to the desert and you have to like fix battle damage aircraft. That's actually really cool. And we were, we were, we were deployed to Afghanistan, but part of that job was to go outside the wire and recover, shut down airplanes or pilots or crashed airplanes or pilots.
That's dangerous work. So not, so, not necessarily maybe like shot down, but like crashed and like, we flew to Alaska one time and had to dig a pilot out of the mountain because he crashed his F 22 into the side of the mountain. Wow. So we're like literally in a mountain digging out of like the pilot was embedded in the mountain.
Yeah. I have to say that's a, that's a really unique job though. Uh, yeah. Four year, or Yeah, about four years of that. But one of the deployments that we were on, uh, so we used to run convoys and we had our own armory. We had our own like SOPs and TTPs and all that. And it just, it was just a really, really hard deployment, you know, to the Middle East, like deep in Afghanistan and, uh, just, it wasn't just, wasn't it just.
It was a really bad deployment, you know, so it was, it was one of the most deadliest ones. It was right, right around like 2007, 2008, where like Fallujah popping off and then, you know, kandahar's a hot zone. And it just, so much was going on around 2007, 2008. And you know, so we went out there and it was just, uh, man, it was tough.
And so when we talk about combat, it's not like you see in the movies, you know, where you're like going through this, this village or whatever. And I mean, yeah, you get shot at, but it's not like you would think, you know, like the movies portray full on war scene portray. Yeah. It's not like a full on like war scene, you know?
I mean there are, I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean there are, but like, that's not the type of combat that, that I was in. You know, there might be a couple like hostels, like embedded in this town or whatever. You take 'em out, you know, you keep on going. It's more of the IEDs that you have to worry about more than like, like enemy combatants, right?
Because that stuff sticks around forever. I was gonna say, for our listeners who don't know what that is, could you give us a little education on that? For what IEDs? Yes, sir. Oh, yeah. So, uh, IEDs are improvised explosive devices. They can be anything from a cell phone connected to an answering machine that sends a signal that, you know, explodes bombs or, or I've, I've seen explosives put into a coffee can, and they have spray foam and inside the spray foam are nails and screws.
And so when you kick open a door, the crush wire, that, that is around the door, um. Makes contact, whatever, and it explodes the coffee can, which then explodes nails and screws into whoever went through the door. Right? So this isn't your classic bomb, this is just anything that'll homemade anything that can hurt you, any shrapnel they can send into you.
And so, Mr. Douglas, when you were going through some of these zones, were you ever injured yourself? No. Thank God. No. Right. But you definitely, I mean, other than, actually, other than like rolling my ankle and, and fracturing my ankle on the side of a mountain, but no, no. Right. Uh, but you saw people, people you stirred with pretty closely.
Uh oh yeah. Uh, to you? No. Oh, okay. But so was it kind of, sometimes you would be with the airplane and you would see everyone go out, and then not everyone would come back. It only happened like, I dunno, twice maybe I. Okay. And how so? I mean, with the Air Force, like, we're not really like in the combat, you know what I mean?
It's not like the Army or Marines, like that's their job. Right. But I've ran multiple convoys with them, you know, and have, have been on, you know, a convoy where like the lead vehicle gets attacked, the rear vehicle gets attacked, and now you're stuck in the middle with like the four other vehicles that you guys have.
And you know, like, like I've been in that type of situation, you know, um, on our way in or out of whatever area we were going to pick up an airplane like in the Middle East, you know, um, gonna recover whatever we were gonna recover. You know, something got damaged like an A 10 got damaged, you know, we gotta go pick up whatever we were gonna pick up, you know?
So. And did you enjoy that work, recovering the, the aircraft and seeing what kind of damage was done to them? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. When you see an A 10 land with no canopy, half of a win. You know, there's no, like, so what happened was the, the gun jammed and like double, so like basically like double fed. So there was a round in there that didn't go off, and then another round got put in right behind it and that one went off, which shot through that round, which then blew the gun right off the airplane, blew the nose wide open.
So when the pilot landed, he had his feet sticking, sticking out almost outta the airplane on the rudder pedals. So it could have blown his legs off for sure. Right. Uh, but you could see where the rudder pedals were. It blew the canopy off the airplane. The d-ring that, that is on the side of the airplane to punch the canopy, disconnected from the airplane and, and hit the lip of the intake cord, went through the intake, damaged the motor.
So he is, he's landing the airplane with, with. No canopy, no nose of the airplane, barely rudder pedals and like one engine. Crazy. Yeah. It's not something you see every day, so. Right. So yeah, that was fun. Enjoying. I was gonna say, speaking of enjoying your work, you know, why did you stay in for 20 years? Why not do more?
Why not do less? I mean, I saw you did 20 years and four days, so you did more than you had to to get, you know, the full benefits. Yep. And I'm sure that's wasn't your choice was kind of how things lined up. But why didn't you stay in and why did you stay in? Well, you know, I, I was gonna get out in 2008. I was like, done.
I was like, this is stupid. I'm, I'm out. And then I was gonna get out right after I was done with my, my time as a drill instructor. I was like, I'm, I think I'm done. Like I don't wanna do this anymore, you know? But then you go to a new duty station. Okay, lemme see what this job has offer. Lemme see what I'm gonna be doing here, you know?
Right. But like, after like 10 years. You really gotta make a decision after about 15. You're crazy if you don't just stay in for the extra five after 15 years. Like, you just have to stay in look. You say that, and I was talking with someone the other day, dude did 19 years and said, I can't do another single day.
That's crazy. That's that's completely insane. I couldn, I couldn't believe it either. I said, you didn't have terminal leave saved up or anything, right? 19 six months of leave, three months. Nah, nah, nah. You're one year dude. I get, I get a pension. I got Tricare health insurance from me and the family. I got, I mean, I know there's year away many benefits.
I have a pension for the rest of my life. My pension is somebody's paycheck. You know, like an actual like, like I talk to people like, like, oh, like what's your salary? Like, what do you get paid? You know, like my military pay and disability pay is pretty much what someone's making in a nine to five job.
Right. I agree. So crazy. Never ever would I do that. So I mean, I went to a certain point was like, screw it, I'm just gonna stay in. Screw it. Yeah, of course. I mean, like you said, 10 years, it's like, all right, we're halfway. We're either gonna back out now or keep going, but if you keep going you might as well do the rest of that 10 years.
Yep. And so, yep. And then I reenlisted, you know, four years away from, I was at my 16 year mark contract with I reenlisted, got a reenlistment bonus. Never in my life had I had a reenlistment bonus in the 16 years of my career. They, they, we, we never had one. And all of a sudden, 2016, 2017, they got a bonus.
I'm like, oh, oh my gosh. So I istic Yeah, that's nice. Got the bonus. And I was like, upset. I'm done. I'm, that's it. This is my last, this is my last. Reenlistment ever. So yeah, I reenlisted for the remaining four years, you know, and I planned on getting out. I literally planned on getting out. So there, there, I mean, there was no way that I was gonna stay in, I was already dead set on getting out.
What fueled me retiring when I did was in my 19th year I got orders to Korea and I was like, you got to be kidding me right before you get out. Yeah. I was like, come on. And the orders were for me to leave in my retirement year, go past my, like my whole retirement year, my whole 19th or 20th year or whatever you wanna call it, right.
Would've been spent on a one year remote tour to Korea. And then to even accept the assignment. I mean, I could have just did Korea and like leave or whatever. But you can't retire from overseas like that. Like, like on a tour, you, you have to go back to a duty station. So I would've, I just probably would've just went back to North Carolina where I was and everything would've been fine.
But then they were like, well, you have to have a follow-on assignment. I'm like, well, I don't, but I don't wanna stay in, like, why would I have to go to a follow-on assignment? That's, that's a two year commitment right there. So just by accepting the Korea orders, I would've had to reenlist to go to Korea and take the orders for two years.
They gave me Vegas. I'm like, what? Like I got young kids and it's 2019. 2020. Like, why in the hell Oh, 2020? It's 2020. I'm like, why would I wanna spend two years locked down in Vegas? Their economy is, that sounds awful. Zero right now. Yeah. I am not raising kids in Las Vegas. Not happening. I've been to Vegas so many times, like there's no absolute no way on earth.
I am living in any part of Las Vegas and trying to raise kids. Not a chance in hell. So I said, you know, I'm like, I denied the orders, which guaranteed that I had to get out. Like, I, I, I legit ended my career by, by not accepting the orders, and like, you must retire. I'm like, well, no crap. I planned on it anyways.
It's just, I would've loved to do it maybe another couple months or maybe, maybe go on one more deployment or maybe, right. Maybe go on one more TDI, you know, like something, you know. But in the end, I was forced to retire because I denied orders to Korea. Well, I don't blame you, trust me, I, that's, I don't either.
That's the military BS right there where they try to do that thing like, oh, yep, oops, you know. We, you know, a Billy got filled, now we need you to go here, or something like that. Uh, no, no. And I've talked about this with other nukes because the Navy nuclear program has some of the worst retention, you know, in, in the Navy.
Yeah. Navy in general is suffering with recruiting or retention right now. And I think it's all across the branches, honestly. Yep. But that being said, I said, look, the concept of the the dream sheet is pretty good. I, I assume the Air Force does that too, where you kind of put like, here a, here's where I'd like to go.
Number one, place, number two, place number three place. That's a joke. Yeah, no, it is, it is pretty much. Well, I got lucky. I actually got everything I asked for, but there's a lot of people who don't. And I said, look, big Navy, air Airport, a lot Air Force of people. Look, you want people to stay in. People are actually willing and, and wanna make this their career.
I said, you just got to follow our plan. Right. Obviously you got these certain bullets you need to meet, but look. I wanna go to Hawaii, I wanna be a nuclear instructor, or I want to work on a submarine and I wanna do this, this, this. I'll do 20 years if we follow this schedule. Or I'm, I'm about to be a dad.
I really want to raise my kids in the south because that's the greatest part of America. And could you station me here and I like to do this, this, this, and this. Or I'm in the Air Force, you know, I really want to travel. I am tired of being stuck in America. I came from a poor family. I wanna travel. Could I please go to this place, this place, and this place?
And you know, they promised that. And it's like, it's only if you're lucky. I know people who, they joined the Navy to go to Japan and the ship never went there. Or they gotta Japan and the base was locked down because of political issues, you know, so it's, it's very hit or miss with that, that dream sheet.
And Mr. Douglas, did you get what you wanted out of Air Force? Hell, hell no. When we come out of tech, you know, you're in basic training or tech school, whatever you're in, you know, I think it's basic training. You like list eight stateside bases and eight overseas. Right? Not a problem. Not a problem.
Stateside. North Carolina, Florida, Hawaii, Alaska. You know, all like, you know the awesome places, right? Yeah. Overseas, big, bold, underlined, and circled. No overseas. Right? My first duty station was England. Yeah. It's like somebody saw that and goes, watch this hold my beer and gave me an overseas assignment.
I'm like, you got to be kidding me. I did not wanna go overseas at 18, 19 years old, you know? Right. Like my first time away from home, I do not want to go. All the way overseas, then go all the way and deploy into the desert. Like whatever. Because when I got this unit, they were like, oh, they deployed all the time.
I'm like, are you kidding me? You gotta be kidding me. Yeah. I went to the, and legit, the unit that I was in in England was the most deployed unit in Europe. That's amazing. That's like nothing Beats get into a chain of command and everyone's like, we hate it here. We have, you know, oh, and I've already loved it.
Three suicides a month. I've already loved it there. No, yeah. The exact opposite. It was the best unit I've ever served in, in any, I, I've been to six different duty stations. Okay. It, the, the, the, so I was in the four 94th Black Panthers at RAF Lege. Oh yeah. The F 15 unit in the Strike Eagles. Oh yeah.
Greatest unit I have ever served in, ever. We were on missions all the time. That's good. We didn't have any suicides. We had no suicides. That, that's perfect to hear that that morale is what we need. Oh, we had super high morale. Super high morale. The other two units that, that were on the base, they had a couple problems.
They had a lot of drinking problems. They had like, just, just a lot of problems. We didn't have that. We were always on the road. It was like TDY is like every month, every couple months we were gone. You know? I mean, our mission was just, I mean, we literally had a global mission. Right. You know, and you were, it was almost like you were too busy to do anything else.
I know what you're saying. Yeah. It kept you busy. But it's also, what I was just gonna say is the, what we've talked about on the show a couple of times is how your chain of command or your command climate really makes or breaks the mission or the station for you. 'cause you could be in a beautiful place like Hawaii, beautiful place, but you could have a toxic chain of command that makes you.
Hate it or they restrict your free time so much you can't enjoy Hawaii. And so I know you've probably, have you had any really bad chain of commands? Oh, oh, oh, oh yeah. I already knew the answer was yes, but I had to ask. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I was in a chain of command. It was a absolute complete joke.
Oh my gosh. That was actually my last duty station, the last unit of that I was in. Of course. So I, of course, so I went to Seymour Johnson in, in North Carolina. Went, went to, uh, one of the units there. There's four units down there. Went to the unit, was amazing. It's kind of the same thing. Always deployed.
They're like the best unit. They get all the awards, you know, and then, okay, awesome. I went to be, uh, an inspector for the, like, the end of the runway and like, and basically in charge of like making sure the aircraft is air worthy and like. All that stuff before it takes off, like we're the last look of the airplane.
Yeah. And then I gave it the green light to go ahead and take off. Did that for four or five years, and then they were like, Hey, you need to come to this other unit. I'm like, which one? I get to that. I'm like, there's, there's not a chance I'm gonna that unit, like I'm doing everything possible to get outta the, out of the unit.
Because as soon as they told me like, yeah, you're gonna this shoot, I'm like, no, absolutely not. They are, they, they are horrible, horrible suicides, alcohol problems. Article 15, I mean, just, I mean, they are like the worst unit on that base and you're trying to get outta there. You're almost, you're almost about to retire.
Yeah. And I spent, I spent a year and a half there and it was absolute joke. The longest year and a half in the service for you? Longest year and a half of my life. It was an absolute joke of leadership and absolute joke of a squadron, absolute joke of personnel. Just, I mean, it was like the misfits, you know?
It was so horrible. Yeah. Can you kind of elaborate on that for us? Like what do you mean? Like people just can't do their jobs, they're idiots, or what kind of is the issue? Yep. Everything. It's like, it's like a, nothing gets done. It's like a squadron full of frat boys, you know? Okay. Like they're just, they're just, first of all, they suck at their job.
Yeah. Leadership didn't care. They're just lazy. Okay. Yep. Sounds about right. We have, in the military, we have regs, right? Yeah. We have standards and regulations. This was a free for all, and I was free for all. Yeah. People would wear the uniform, however the hell they want. I'm like, dude, how are you wearing your uniform right now?
Look at you, you look like a, you look like disrespectful. You look like a bag of ass dude. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. And then leadership would like leave them alone. I'm like, what? You should be correcting them. And then they would yell at me like, I outrank you. I'm like, I don't know how, like there's obvious, obvious signs of neglect and disregard for standards and practices that like, there's SOPs set in the military, but this unit does whatever this unit wants to do.
They didn't care. I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do. And they didn't. They would fail inspections, they'd laugh it off, you know? Um, people would get hurt. They'd laugh it off. Like, nah, whatever guy's an idiot. Anyways, whatever. It was just, it was just a, a horrible time. Horrible time. So you kind of, you just cut up to a low head, a low profile.
You're like, I'm getting outta here. I don't wanna get wrapped up in anything stupid. Someone else does something stupid and wraps you up in it. So you were trying to get out of there. I'm out. Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm glad you're out. I hope y'all are enjoying this episode. A couple a nukes the podcast. I know I am.
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Now that you're out, it sounds like you still want to help people. That's your main goal and objective in life. And so what are you doing nowadays with that? And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you said you've given three TEDx talks, so you can tell us a little bit about that and how you're helping people nowadays.
Yes. Yep. So yeah, professional speaker, keynote speaker, corporate trainer. So I speak on resilience, leadership, team building and team performance and business positioning strategies for podcasters, speakers and authors. Uh, I got two bestselling books and I host two podcasts and also host a third. And that third podcast is specifically for the nonprofit that I'm a vice president of.
So I'm vice president of a nonprofit called One Life Fully Lived, and we basically teach you how to live your most epic dream life. And so that's mostly what I do is podcasting, speaking, corporate training, you know, um, events and conferences and things like that. And ladies and gentlemen, you'll find links to most of that in a description below for the podcast, or if you go to the brand new website I made.
And by the time this episode comes out, it won't be so brand new, but went ahead and made an official website for the Couple Nukes podcast. I think it looks beautiful. And if you go to the guest page, you'll find Mr. Douglas, you'll find his handsome profile picture with a list of all of those, his TED talks, his books, websites, his podcast, as well as a link back to this episode.
So be sure to check that out. But Mr. Douglas, I mean, how does that feel? So you've been able to reach out to all these people and travel and give all these talks, and can you kind of tell us about your two books and your two other podcasts? Yeah. Uh, so my one podcast is a business podcast called Create Launch Monetize podcast, where we teach you how to create, launch, and monetize whatever you want.
A business, a book. How to create, launch and monetize a podcast, how to create, launch and monetize a program, a product, a service, whatever it is that you want to create and make money from. We show you how the second show is based off of my bestselling book, from No Worth to Self-Worth. And it's all about how do we go from the deepest, darkest night of our soul?
The most horrible place on earth are rock bottom. How do we go from that to self-worth? How do we go from having no worth, no self-esteem, not wanting to live, wanting to end our life, to living our best version? How do we do that? And that's what the show's about. So that's the the second book that I wrote as well.
And we're working on turning that into an actual TV show. So we're gonna do some filming and some other things, and hopefully that gets off the ground pretty quick, but. The first book I ever wrote in 2016 was called Decisions the Power to Overcome Self-Defeating Behaviors. And it's a book about my self-defeating behaviors, uh, fact-based positive psychology research studies that really dispel myths about self-defeating behaviors and why we self-sabotage ourselves.
Right. It kind of sounds like you have a lot on your plate, so what, how do you handle having so many things you're running at once? Love this question. People are, how do you get so much done? Like you do a lot. Yep. Because I manage my energy, not my time. Time can't be managed. You cannot stand in the same river twice.
Once it's gone, it's gone. That's it. Right? People are like, oh, time management. No energy management. It's a simple process where you write down everything that you gotta do that day and then you assign that task. Based on the energy that's required, the output, you assign it to your energy level throughout the day.
If it's a very hard task, you're not gonna do it at the end of the day where you have no energy, you're never gonna get it done. But then it'd be a waste to give like a low, a low energy frequency task. Like something's like very, very, very, very simple that anybody can do it. It'd be very stupid for you to do it at your most peak energy.
That would be really dumb. So energy management, write out your goals for the day, figure out how much energy it's gonna take to complete those goals, and then assign the tasks according to your energy,
right? So kind of knowing your limits, knowing how to pace yourself, how to schedule what, where. So you'll have the maximum and most efficient. Of getting things done. So that's pretty awesome. And yeah, for sure. So you started this all while you were still in or you had everything set up? Yes. So as soon as you got out?
Nope. I was doing all this while I was in, I wrote my first book in 20, in 2016. I never retired until 2021. I was podcasting, I had a radio, I had a live radio show I did right in the house. I was speaking, training, mentoring, uh, speaking, uh, giving seminars. Yeah, I've been, and, and then even then, when I was a drill instructor, I built a business and had a store, had a resale store, and I was still pulling in like $4,000 weekends.
Wow. So that's nice. In 2010, 11, 12, 13. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say that's more than most people make a month. Yeah. Yeah. So what I did wanna talk about, we kind of got away from it. I'm gonna head back to it, which was. So you were a drill instructor, so you were in charge of all the new recruits trying to join the Air Force, correct?
Yep. So can you tell us, you got a lot of funny stories from that, you know, just recruits that. Oh, man. Because I just, from my bootcamp experience, which is only like two months, you know, the people I encountered, some interesting characters, some crazy stuff that happened. So I can only imagine as an instructor some of the crazy stuff you saw in some of the most frustrating moments of your life.
Probably. I had male and female flights as an instructor. I, I, I led and trained both males and females. Okay. And they both bring their own sets of pros and cons. Interesting. Mostly shower time with the females was, you know, 'cause like, okay, I'm leaving the dorm, make sure that the, that the slide or whatever the, there's like a sliding thing, like over the window, you know, don't answer the door.
Make sure you guys, you know, you got like 30 minutes, you know, whatever. Whatever. Right. So I radio up, like we're in our, we're in our cq and I flip the switch and I, there's an intercom, right? So I talk over the door, I'm like, are you done? Like, yes sir, we're done. It's like, is everybody dressed? Yes, sir.
We're all dressed. I'm like, awesome. I'm coming upstairs. And so they have to announce when I come in the dorm, right? Male. So course I not give my id. Yep, yep. And I walk in the dorm and right as I walk right in the dorm, right as I walk in the dorm, naked female comes right out of the latrine. I was like, are you kidding me?
And not a towel, not nothing, just, I was like, kitties got everything out. Oh yeah, a hundred percent. I, oh man. I screamed at the female that let me in. I told the dorm chief, I was like, fix it now. And I just left. I was like, I'm done. Like I'm done with this blank. One of the, uh, unspoken benefits of the job.
I guess I'm going to jail. Oh God. I was like, oh God. And then they apologized. They're like, we're really sorry. We didn't know she was in there. And it was this whole thing. Like I was late from details. Like, I'm very sorry. I was like, I said, check the latrine. I said, check the chops. I said, check the dorm.
And they even even announced. So the last thing you want is to get sapper? Yep. Gentlemen, entering the dorm. Like, like, and then everybody's gotta yell at gentleman in the dorm. And then that's when, that's when she decided to run out of the latrine, because she's like, oh crap. You know, gotta stand outta state of attention a hundred percent.
So if I'm in a dorm and there's like, I don't know. Anyway, it's just, it was bad. I was like, I'm, I'm out. I went downstairs. I told my boss, he laughed. Thank you for telling me. Thank God I didn't find out. 'cause then, you know, you could like be investigated or whatever. Like, thank you for telling me. Yeah.
Calls the dorm chief down. Is this what happened? Yes sir. All of us were in there. All of the females were in there at the same time. Like, you know, were all witnesses. This is what happened. You know? So, you know, I just, I let him know like, this is what happened. He just started laughing. He is like, ah, you got you, you got caught.
You know, like, like you got, yeah, you can't trust them females, man. It was just, it was just so funny. 'cause I was like, so then at that point I would be like, I was like. Everybody. Check, check your space. Everybody check the latrine. Everybody checked the shower, everybody checked the, you know, is, is everybody, Dr.
Like I would make sure is are you sure? Is every Oh my God. It's like a, yeah. You can only do so stuff. Scarr experience, you know. But females have their own challenges, you know, they're kind of emotional and Right. They're kind of mean to each other a little bit. Uh oh. Yeah. Males, males are just dumb.
Nothing better than that. Girl fight. Yeah. Males are just dumb. Yep. You know, they, they just, I, one flight I had, uh, I had a, so there was a, there was a, a football player from Georgia Tech, a lineman from Georgia Tech. Big, massive human. Huge. So I made it my dorm chief. Like, you're in charge of the flight.
You're the, you're the dorm chief, you're the squad leader. Okay. And, uh, the day after graduation is like, they go on town, pass it, see their families or whatever. So I'm coming up the dorm. To check on 'em, make sure, like, okay, everybody's back. Nobody got injured downtown. Nobody got a fight. Everybody's cool, you know, whatever.
And they're not loud, but they're loud enough to where I'm like, what the hell is going on? Like, I can hear like, you want Wyatt, but I can hear people like, like being loud or whatever. I'm like, what? What are they doing? Like I still, you still have stuff to do. Like, you still gotta like come back, you gotta make sure that the dorm is cleaned, like all this stuff.
Right. They had taken the bays beds, pushed 'em against the lockers, lined the floor and the, and the beds with all of the mattresses. Yep. And they were, and, and they were running like the, like the other members were running on the mattresses and was carrying their own mattress. The lineman was shoulder tackling them into the mattresses.
Yep. Yep. That sounds it, like bulldozing them into the mattresses. You know, I'm not at all surprised by this. Like, I was like, what in the hell is this? And they all stood at attention or whatever and I'm like, what are you doing? And they just looked at me and then they looked at the lineman and they looked back at me.
I was like, anybody, does anybody want to talk about what the hell we're doing in here? And they, and you can just see it like, they're just like, like they're setting attention, but they're like, they're all turning beat red. 'cause they're trying not to laugh. Yeah. The lineman was like, because you gotta give reports to writing, sir.
Trying wrote reports is ordered. Sir, they were challenging me, sir. I'm like, I, you know what? I, I don't, um, I don't, I don't dismissed. I, I'm leaving. I, I. Put your crap back together. I'm done. I had a funny, I So you have these, we call 'em like, like, um, instructor tools. Yeah. We're literally beating the flight.
I mean, pushups, fluter kicks. I mean, I'm, I am beating the crap. Yeah. You what we talking about out of this flight, right? I'm smoking this flight and um, and I got this one kid who's the cause of it all. I was like, I was like, are we laughing now? Are we smiling? I don't think so. Are you feeling good? He's like, yes, sir.
I'm like, really? You're feeling good? Tell me how good this feels. He's doing flutter kicks. He is sweating and he's panting. And I was like, tell me, you tell me how good he is. Like, good sir. I'm like, no, I want you to tell me right now. Tell me how good you are. Tell me how good does this feel? He is like, so good, sir.
Like real loud. Like he's hurting, right? And he is like, he's like dying. I could see that in his face. I mean, he is, he is dying and he is like, so good, sir. Barely breathe, barely talk. And I was, I was, oh man, I just lost it. I, I was dying laughing. I was like, you're done. Everybody up on your feet. And everybody is like panting at the same time, like smirking and stuff.
And I was like, oh my God. And this kid, I, I mean, I smoked this kid, you know? And, and it was just, it was, it was just a funny moment. And I was like, you know what? Like we kind of needed that. It was just, it gets real tense sometimes it happens. Like I was the instructor that let it happen. Most structures, like, I'm gonna beat you harder.
Like, can't really that I was gonna, that I say you sound pretty chill compared to the most. Some, some, well, I, well there's a lot, lot of power trips in the military. Oh geez. People get Jeez too. Yep. Caught up in themselves. They get a little bit of power, especially guys who were bullied in high school or something, especially the security and the, you know, we call them the military police on the aircraft carriers and the bases.
I mean, sometimes they're just, especially the ones guarding the gate, like you're, you're like a crossing guard in, you know, a military uniform. And sometimes they'll be like a complete dick for no reason. And it's like, look man, I'm just trying to get on base and I don't know, they don't know how to scan your id.
And they're like, oh, you're not allowed on or something. Right. It, it pissed me off one time. Most of the guys were chill when I was in Norfolk. To get on base, you had to have, they like, every now and then, they would check your license plate. Like every gate guard had their own procedure and a couple of them checked mine.
They were like, Hey man. Your tags are expired. And I was like, yeah, I know South Carolina and this is crazy. People are gonna say this isn't true. South Carolina never sent me my new tags. And I called them and they said, Mr. Whiskey we're out of the material to make new tags. I don't know how that was possible.
Oh yeah, they were out And I was like, alright. And they sent me a receipt or something of that and most of the gate guards were cool. They were like, yeah, just go ahead on base Mr. Whiskey, until I got this one guy, Nope, you're not allowed on. It is illegal. You would get pulled over. And I argued with him 'cause I pulled up the Virginia law and actually you have a certain amount of months after they expire to get them replaced and it's not illegal.
Yeah. And um, I'm one of those people like, yeah, I know the laws and rules, not, not to follow them, to argue with other people who try to accuse me of not following them. You know, it's one of those guys everywhere. But, and he wouldn't let me on base, but I needed to go there for work. So then I had to get rides from bum rides off of people all the time.
Yeah, just people who go on a power trip. We had this one baldheaded guy, he thought he was like a, like a marine commander and he's just a like first class or second class petty officer on a aircraft carrier in, in charge of restricted sailors and monitoring the hallway. And this dude is like having everyone stand at attention reciting the sailors.
Oh God. Day louder. Recite it louder. Be proud to be a sailor. And he's actually on Facebook. Oh my God. You find him on the ma meme page. They, uh, made a bunch of memes about him and uh, yeah, they're kind of bullying him on Facebook. If you wanna check that out, that's gross. But just speaking of, of bootcamp, you were reminding me of, you know, and sometimes like you said, the drill instructors have fun with it.
You know, we had a guy, and I don't know if you had to do this in the Air Force, but you had to do a certain amount of pushups and all this to pass your physical fitness test. Yeah, course. Well it self-report or it was your partner reports. Right. Right partners. We had this guy, he had broken his leg and he had been in bootcamp for like half a year.
His hair was like six inches tall. He had this giant head of hair and he looked stupid, but no one made him get rid of it Anyway, he had done like, what, in two minutes He had done like 120, 140 pushups. No way. IRC, he had to punish him. One day he is like, come on, let's go down, up, down, up, down, up, down, up.
All funny, you can't even do five pushups, but on your physical fitness test you did 140. Isn't that interesting? Isn't that real interesting? Oh yeah. And he was trying to have him do actual pushups and guy could not, in fact, this is a really funny story. We had this guy, he got rolled back 'cause he couldn't pass the swim test.
They sent him into my division. The guy was kind of nasty. He kind of, he was ugly. He wasn't nice to anyone. And I got partnered with him for the pushups and I was like, Hey man, you know, if you're struggling with this and like you're just a few shy, like, you know, you know, we're a brotherhood. Like I'm, I'm not trying to see you do another two, four weeks of bootcamp.
No one wants that. He was like. I will get, I will report you if you do that. I'm in a, you know, I am a sailor with integrity. Don't you ever say that again. Blah, blah, blah. Guy was like real nasty me. I was like, oh, okay, fine, fine. You wanna be like that? The very next morning, right before we do the pushups, he's like, Hey, Mr.
Whiskey, uh, if I don't make it, you think you could, uh, pump the number up a little bit spot? I was like, oh, you gotta be okay. I was so tempted to be like, hell no. Hell no. I'm a sailor with integrity. I'm not gonna lie about the numbers. Right. But it, it is just funny, you know, he wanted to act all tough and then right before we do the pushups, he's like, um, actually, you know what?
Scratching the back of his head, looking away. But yeah, we definitely had, you know, you were talking about the wrestling and stuff and you said men are dumb. And that's funny that you said that because in the Navy Bootcamp. You'll hear a lot of times the instructors will say this, I don't know if you've ever said this, but it's like, if we're not gonna be a smart division, we're gonna be a strong division.
And it was like, you know, we couldn't be smart, we couldn't keep our mouths shut, and so they're gonna, you know, drill us and, and do what we had to do. They had a little list of like, it's like the size of a business card and had the workouts, just like you were talking about the different, um, levels of workouts to, uh, quote, beat the, you know, the recruits and about the men just wrestling.
That's just what men do, especially it seems military men because me and a bunch of guys in the galley when I was working in the galley for a little bit went down into this storage room and it was filled with hundreds of plates and knives and shirt, all this stuff for the, the kitchen and someone turned, hit the light switch and instantly everyone.
Just rushed each other and started wrestling in the dark. And I had no idea what the hell was going on because my instinct was not to just bum rush the guy next to me. Right. Then someone threw another sailor down onto the knives and everything. We're like, guys, we need to stop right now. Smashing plates and stuff.
But yeah, so we turned the lights back on and then five seconds later someone's like round two and they would turn off the lights and then we would all just bum rush each other. And I'm standing there like, oh man, the wrong person walks in on this. It's gonna be hell to pay. Right. Geez. But yeah. So you enjoyed your time as a drill instructor, 'cause I'm sure you had some heart to heart or Oh yeah.
A hundred percent airmen or airwomen who were feeling like they were gonna drop out and you inspired them to stay in, or do you have any moments like that? Oh yeah. Oh, that was like the best. Oh yeah, that was, that was literally like the best. So yeah, I can imagine that. That's great. Yeah, for sure. Well, um, thank you.
I wanna thank you for all you did for them and everything you did for the 20 years before that. And I just wanna say that it's been great having you on the show and I just wanna ask you if you have any closing remarks or anything you'd like to wrap up with? No man. Uh, you know, I really appreciate you giving me a, a time and a platform to hopefully inspire somebody, tell some stories, kind of reminisce on the military career.
Just really appreciate what you're doing and, um, you know, really appreciated my 20 years in the military, man, it was a lot of fun. I'm glad to be out. Yeah. And, you know, on to bigger, better things, you know? Yeah. And like I said, usually we've had a lot of life advice on the channel, so I appreciate you coming on for more of a comedy segment.
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