Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple of Nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey, and today we are back at it with fitness and physical health, but also business and mental health. Often they play a role together, and we always talk about the importance of balance and making sure those are great.
If you're listening, not watching, I am at an outdoor training course of the sort because like I said in my last physical fitness episode, it comes in so many different varieties. And just like I've mentioned with mental health, when it comes to de stressing with creative outlets or whatever it may be, don't feel limited thinking there's no way I could de stress.
I'm, I'm not good at dancing or singing or writing or handling my feelings. And when it comes to physical health, you might say, well, I'm not good at running. I'm not good at swimming. I can't lift heavy weights. There is a way for you to de stress and to handle your health. There are so many different varieties out there.
And so many different programs. And today we are going to talk with an expert who created one of the greatest fitness programs in the history of the world. And he's going to talk to us about what comes with success and failure. We have Steve Hockman here to talk to us about physical fitness, business, and mental health.
So Mr. Hockman, please, would you go ahead and introduce yourself for us? No, thanks for having me on. Yep. My name is Steve Hockman. I do a nutrition, fitness, and mindset coaching both online and in my in person locations in Orange County, California. And you know what you were saying about like not trying things cause you're not good at them and, and all that stuff, I think a big problem that I see like a lot is that everyone wants to feel good all the time.
Be comfortable, like hit that pleasure button all the time. And the, and I think the reason why so many people are depressed and stressed right now in, in today's society is because. I don't think people understand that you need contrast to be happy. So you can't be happy all the time. Like you can't just have hot or you can't just have light.
There's, there's light is the absence of darkness. Hot is the absence of cold, you know, and you could kind of choose your pain or your pain could choose you. So when you choose positive pain of a hard workout or you know, doing something that makes you really uncomfortable, but it's positive pain, then that contrast is happiness.
And I think a lot of people that avoid that stuff all the time find themselves never happy and they're always seeking something they'll never find because you won't find it without the contrast. Yeah, and you talk about feeling good all the time, and also I think people just want to be, like, naturally good at something.
Like, they want to be, like, the first time they do it, they excel. Especially if they can do it better than other people. I mean, of course, yeah, there's no greater feeling than there's people who have been training their whole lives to do something, and then you just show up, and it's like you're a prodigy.
You know, like, that's a great feeling, it is. But it's also a great feeling to look back on how far you came from where you started. So I think that's so important, you talk about the contrast. Yeah, we've talked before on the show about how discipline is what's needed for the gym, as well as faith, you know, discipline is what's needed not motivation, motivation comes and goes, like you said, there's gonna be days at the gym that, that it sucks, where your body feels like crap, or you're not motivated, It could be a number of reasons.
I know for me personally, the more people there are, the gym, the less I want to be there. I'm a gym introvert as we've discussed on the show, but there are some days where my arms are really burning. I had a really good workout. And if that was every time it wouldn't be as exciting as, you know, if we PR it every day, it doesn't get exciting.
You know, it's that I think there's satisfactions, like work satisfaction from that training. So I totally agree. And, just speaking of fitness, what really got you into it so much so that you started a program about it? Yeah, for me I think I was just born wanting to do physical things and work out.
You know, when I was in 10th grade, I decided I wanted to play football. And at the time I was we were getting kicked in and out of houses and I was like homeless, not homeless. And, and so I went out for football. And and I liked it because there's actually, I was able to get a lot of my frustration and aggression out and I was able to help getting in trouble.
In fact, you get rewarded for trying to, to, to crush people and destroy them. And and so I was like, oh, I'm going to get a scholarship, you know, and, and that was my way out of like, living in a car. And so. You know, I only had two more years to do it and I never played before. So really, I just, I just started working out and I just started training and I just did it all the time and it felt so good.
And and I saw the results from it and I ended up, you know, in three years becoming all American and getting a scholarship and all that stuff. But I think. For, for me I don't know. I don't, I guess, you know how you say like what got me into fitness? I guess the question is like, how is, how is someone not, you know, like one life, one body, and, and if you could think.
Anything you do, whether you're a parent, you own a business, you're a leader you work at an ice cream shop. It really doesn't matter anything in your life. You, you do, if you were fit and strong, you're going to do it better. So I don't understand how someone wouldn't, I understand not everyone's going to be on the same level of intensity and all that, but.
To not work out and to let, just let your mind and your body just be weak. And it doesn't sound like a good way to live for me. No, I totally agree. I agree a hundred percent. You know, I, I mean, I've been skinny my whole life, but I've always been active. Right. I always do a lot of cardio. I do lifting and stuff.
And I remember, you know, my family and I, we would sometimes watch my 600 pound life. I'm pretty sure everyone's familiar with the show. And. If there's medical issues, that's fine, right? And we talked about this in a previous episode about the recent movements, recent being the past few years of fat is beautiful, but it's misconstrued into fat is beautiful, therefore it's healthy.
Beautiful doesn't mean healthy. Being confident as a larger person doesn't equal healthy, right? We talk about Just it's just not. It's just the truth is if you are a larger person, you are more likely to have health issues in certain areas or do. And so you talk about, you know, I used to watch that show and think to myself, how could someone ever let themselves get to that point?
I've never been at that point, but what I imagine is feeling lethargic, not being able to do stuff on my own. You see a lot of these people aren't independent which as a human being, one of the greatest things is being independent, being able to do things on your own. I think as kids, you know, when you first learn how to ride a bike or you get a car as a teenager, freedom, you can go places on your own.
It's that kind of thing. If you have to be escorted everywhere, helped out of bed, you can't even bathe yourself. I've never understood how people let themselves get to that point. Like you said, and especially We're our biggest health advocate ourselves. We are our own biggest health advocate because it's our body.
And at the end of the day, people might check in on you on your health. They might hold you accountable to your health, but only you can change it. Only you can actively pursue that whether it's in the positive or negative direction. And so I agree with your statement is how could anyone not be into fitness?
And like you said, There's so many different levels, but even just maintaining basic health, making sure you get some good stuff into your diet, making sure you at least walk or do something of some sort, it it really does blow my mind that social media is pushing for and the mainstream news, you know, pushing for, you know, life on a Zempik is great and you know, we're creating these crutches and encouragement and enabling people to want to seek that lifestyle.
Or with no limiting the consequences or just portraying that there aren't consequences encourages it, you know, it's insane. Yeah, I don't, I don't, you know, the whole thing like, fat is beautiful, lean is, is not, you know, is, whatever, what I see is this. Being aligned with your conscience is beautiful.
Being out of alignment with your conscience is not attractive. It's not beautiful. And so what I mean by that is, you know, being super fat or my 600 pound life, I'm not looking at the what, it's not what this person weighs. It's who is weighing that. Who is this person? You know, and so it's never the what with me.
It's always the who. So who is killing themselves? You know, who is making it so that they are not independent? They can't walk around. Who is giving this horrible version of themselves to the people they claim to love? You know, who is the parent that that. Passes their pain on to their kids because they couldn't solve it with themselves.
That's what I look at. I don't I don't look at like someone and say, like, you know, oh, that's great. Like, you could take a drug and look a certain way, but you're still the same who that needs to take this drug because that person is Can't stop doing these things that are horrible or figure these things out that are causing them pain that they're not giving to their family.
And, and for me, it's, it's like, you know, you were talking about discipline and, and I, and, and motivation, and to be honest, they're, they're both great. But I think there's something, and you also talked about faith, and I think there's something that's bigger than motivation or discipline and, and it goes into the direction of faith.
It's a higher purpose. And so. An example of that is if you talk to a parent and let's say it's cold, it's dark, it's raining, it's windy out, and they got to pick their kid up from school and their kids just sitting there in that cold, windy rain. And do, does that parent have to be disciplined to go pick up their kid in the rain?
Does their parent have to go watch a motivational video? No, because they have a purpose bigger than themselves. And for me, you know, When I made the connection of everything I do when I removed myself from, from the equation, because I, I am the problem and I just look at things through a lens of, can I give value with this or not?
So, if my kids are. You know, on Tik TOK and I'm like, Hey, you need to get out to talk and do your homework. But they know that I need to be lean and healthy because that's what I want. That's what aligns with my conscience. But I can't walk by the cupboard without grabbing the chips. Well, how do I give them the solution to something I haven't solved for myself?
And so it's not even about me. I don't have to get, I'm not like I have to go work out. First of all, I get to work out. I don't have to work out. I have a friend named Marcus who when I was playing college football I saw him get paralyzed right in front of me from the neck down, permanently paralyzed, severed his spinal cord.
And if I go like, Oh man, I have to work out today. He would give anything to be able to work out today. I get to work out today. I get to do this work. I get to eat healthy. I get to do the stuff that I, that I do, you know, and sometimes just changing one word makes a big difference. In my opinion, it's like if you could attach everything to a purpose of something that's bigger than yourself and really see the connection to that of both helping that bigger purpose and adding to it by being that best version of yourself or hurting or taking away from that bigger purpose by being a lesser version of yourself, then everything becomes a lot easier.
And you don't need discipline or motivation to have a bigger purpose. Yeah, I totally agree. And like you said, no matter what you do in life, being healthier isn't going to hinder you. Unless you're, unless you, you know, your life goal is to be unhealthy. No, and like you said, it is such a privilege. And that's part of what upsets me so much when I see people neglecting their health.
It's like you said, there's so many people who would, would give to walk, to be able to go to the gym, to have that privilege. Health wise or just, you know, situation wise. And. I love that you said it's the who behind it because, you know, I've had these conversations with some of my friends, they're like, you know, in the dating, in terms of dating, they're like, you know, would you date her because she's a bigger woman?
And I'm like, she's a bigger woman, but she goes to the gym every day. And to me, that's more attractive than a skinny woman who doesn't. Go to the gym who neglects their health because like you said, it's the the person behind it because a person who's actively seeking their health. That's what it's attractive to me.
It's not really the state current state of the health. It's where is that person trying to bring their health? Especially for me as a man who wants children, it's like, sure, a woman could be skinny and attractive, but if she's not actively pursuing her health, if she's doing things to neglect her health, is that the mother I want bearing my children and teaching my children that as well?
So that's something, like you said, the who behind it, and I love that, and you talk about it's a privilege, and I totally agree. I think that is such a good reality check for so many people. And. I am curious about something. I know it's a little pivot from fitness, but yeah. Talking about your situation growing up, you talk about living in a beat up car senior year of high school and stuff.
I was curious what your relationship was with your parents and if your journey through life has brought you towards forgiveness or resentment with all of that. That's a really great question. So my parents got divorced when I was eight years old and my mom ended up moving, so I was in the Los Angeles and my mom moved to Orange County, which basically is like two and a half, three hours away.
So it might as well have been in another state. And and so I lived with my dad. I didn't, I didn't really know that my dad was a con artist. I didn't know. I thought he was the greatest guy in the world. I just warned me about him, but I, I was so defensive over him and I idolized him. So I didn't know at the time.
And you know, as far as, Like you asked for forgiveness and stuff like that. Right. Right. So what I had to, what I, and I was angry for a long time, actually, I was pretty pissed. Once I realized everything, I was mad at my mom for, for leaving and, and moving, you know, three hours away. And I was mad at my dad for not being better and for using me.
And like I was going to be his meal ticket and, you know, play football in the NFL. And yeah, I was like his, His thing, you know, and and so and for not just being a better person, you know, but what got me through that. Is that one day I realized that parents are just people. So if a broken person has kids, you know, as a kid, you expect a certain amount of awesomeness from your parents, a certain amount, a certain amount, you know, of, of quality from your parents.
But the truth is, is that. Some for some people, that's the best they got. You know, there's a, there's a saying that says, but for the grace of God, go I, which means that under if this circumstance happened at this time, or this person didn't come in my life at that time, that might be me. I might be that person that I'm despising, that could be me, but, you know, I got lucky in this situation, or this happened at the right time, or I had the right mindset, or whatever happened I escaped that.
And when I realized that a parent could just be a broken person just because they have a kid, you know, if they're on the edge of like being like broken or, or, or improving, maybe having a kid pushes them over the edge. Right. Some people are so far from the edge that it's just they don't even see it.
They don't even know they're on. They don't even know that they're that type of person. They're in such denial. And and so when I really realized that parents are just people. That's that's what allowed me to just let all that go and it. It's funny because sometimes your family are people that are not related to you.
Like my wife is my family, but we're not genetically related, you know, and sometimes the people that are genetically related to you aren't your family. And and that was a big help for me to learn that just parents are just people and some people are broken. Yeah, I know. I agree with what you said a hundred percent.
My situation is the same in the sense that I don't really have anyone left genetically just because of our relationships, but through the podcasting industry, through, through the military and everything else I have made a family. And it's interesting cause my, my dad doesn't understand that he has this mindset that You know, as long as, as we have shared genes or blood that that makes a, you know, a special thing even for, like, my my great uncle is sick in the hospital and he's like, we gotta go visit him cause, you know, he's my mom's brother.
We've never talked to the guy in years, you know, he's like, but, but we share the same blood. I'm like, that doesn't, that doesn't make us family, right? I mean, So it's interesting how that, that all works and definitely a concept, but let's fast forward a little bit from your family time. And then we move, start playing football and then somewhere down the road, as we've hinted at from the beginning of the episode, you create a fitness bootcamp program.
Tell us all about that and the role that had in your life. Yeah, I mean, honestly I started just training people when I was like in my, in my early twenties. I didn't even know that was like a, a career or a business or anything. I just some kid you know, I was like really fat after football and, and I really didn't understand about nutrition at all.
I learned some real high level nutrition things really young and within like six months, you You know, because I was, I switched sports to MMA after football and I was super shredded and lean and people were just like, Watching me do this. And so this kid, my first client, this kid is 18 year old kid came up to me and he's like, can I pay you a hundred dollars and just work out with you for a week?
And at the time I was just delivering pizzas, to be honest. And I was like, yeah, you want to pay me to work out with me. And then after that week, I was like, man, this is actually really cool. Like, I could totally do this. And I ended up just training 1 person, another person, another person. And before you knew it, I had, like, 100 personal training clients.
I opened a gym. My 1st, 7 figure gym And I, and I kind of discovered a way of doing group training back then. It was just all one on one training. And I started I was training groups just cause I was so busy. I just had so many people. I just, I didn't ask. I just paired them up and my workouts were so hard.
They, they were hoping there'd be other people there. They didn't want to be alone with just me. And and then that turned into me starting fitness bootcamps. And at the time they were all in a park. They were, they were not indoors. Like these six week bootcamps and then a four week break, six week bootcamps.
And I was one of the first trainers to ever use auto debit as a, as a trainer. Like, it's like a membership to train with me, you know, and rather than me selling a package over and over again, like I said, I had too many clients, so I couldn't just sit there and resell, resell, resell. So I was like, wow, do it.
How did they, cause there was no square or stripe or anything back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and so I started using a membership base that jim's used and I had, you know, 100 clients that were on like a 500 a month membership. And and then I transfer that to boot camps and I started running them inside gymnastics and cheerleading centers because they're closed in the mornings.
So they let me be in there for free or for very little rent. And then I ended up partnering with someone who had a big email list and following of trainers and I had this business model and we created a company called fit body bootcamp. It grew pretty fast. You know, I don't know, like, 500 locations worldwide pretty quickly.
And it was just this model. I had, but it, it kind of was a hard thing to franchise because, you know, it's very personality driven. You can't just like, it's not where you just like an owner could just buy a McDonald's and it just runs. You just follow the blueprint, you know, they needed you. It's needed someone with the right personality, you know, the right owner, a lot of business owners were buying it and they would hire trainers.
And then those trainers would walk off with all their clients, you know, like, so the pay all this money for marketing, following our marketing procedures and systems fill the bootcamp up. And then the trainers, like, well, why am I getting paid hourly? All these people are here for me. I could just open my own place and leave.
And so I ended up selling my half of the company and I opened up another brand called OC fit. I kept it, I kept it smaller, not franchised just privately owned. And and yeah, and that's kind of, that's kind of how that all came, came to be. And, you know, it's just, I still can't believe that.
Like I get to do this. It's, it's so funny. Like you just literally like are training people. Like, I mean, really just beating them up and, you know, making them better. And, you know, teaching them the solutions that helped you, you know, like, like basically it's all just what, what helped me, I just give them what helped me, this mindset helped me, this, these type of workouts helped me, this nutrition helped me.
And so. It should work for you too. And, you know, and it seems to work with, with everybody. So, yeah, that's how that all came to be. So you talked about starting outdoors at a park. So is this body weight only training? No, like people would load up their cars with like dumbbells and then take them out to the park.
And I mean, it was, it was, I get it. It was in its infancy. That's where bootcamps like fitness bootcamp started in these parks. And I did the park thing like for like a month. And I'm like, there's no way I can't build a business around this. I'm not going to carry weights in my car, you know, he owned a really successful gym, so I felt really weird just being out in the park.
Like, you know, and so, yeah, I mean, that's, that's kind of how it started, but yeah, it was a lot of body weight stuff for sure. You got to lead from the front, you know, and so, yeah, I love it. It's a privilege for me. I mean, it's like, I have work to do, you know, I'm just finishing up a book that I wrote. I have, you know, a lot of marketing stuff that I do meetings, like, you know, just writing emails and, you know, all that other stuff.
And I hate it, you know, I mean, to be honest, like, it's not fun sitting in front of your computer, right? But it's fun. I love people. I love watching people become better. It's like, why am I here on this earth? You know, like what, what was the purpose for me being here? Did I make any difference in the world at all?
And the way I am able to make that difference and feel purpose is by helping people be better by giving them the solution that I found for myself. And so I don't see myself ever stopping doing that. It's a privilege to do that. Yeah, for sure. So we're all curious like what is your routine right now with fitness?
You know, how many hours are you working out a week? What what kind of regimen are you following? Yeah, so I do the exact same workout that everyone else does and that's another thing like a lot of trainers They'll do different workouts. It's like look for me. My workout is always about being fit lean strong and healthy Right.
Like, I'm not into power. Like I, back in football, of course, I, you know, I want to bench 500 and all that stuff. I want to be really strong, you know, and I can measure strength by like, can I, can I, you know, if we were, can we box six rounds? No problem. Can we go on a, on a long, hard hike right now? Cool. No problem.
And so my workouts honestly are just, they're, they're like 45 minute workouts. Sometimes 30 minute workouts, and they're just nonstop hit workouts where, you know, my heart rate is in, you know, the 90, 95 percent for different parts of the workout. I'm it's a mixture of high intensity cardio with with weight lifting as well.
So that you get the best of all worlds at once. And I'm busy. You know, I have kids, business, employees, all sorts of stuff. So it's, that's all I do really is those type of workouts. And I love them. I love the challenge of it too. Like, to be honest, lifting weights is easy. Like for me, like, like, like just lifting, rest, do a lift, rest, it's great, but it's easy and it's really one dimensional because, you know, I was telling someone the other day, like we get some people that come in and they're really strong people.
Like, you know, they're, they bench like four 50, but after like literally five minutes, they don't have access to their strength anymore. Yeah, so if you don't have, if you're not a complete fit person, meaning you have long distance cardio, high intensity cardio and weightlifting strength, then, you know, you got, it's like, you have some really strong, really big weaknesses that are exploited as soon as you start getting out of breath.
No, I agree. 100%. I I talked about in the previous episode with Roman Fisher previous as in a few weeks ago now, but. We talked about how, you know, we could be guys who lifted weights and did cardio, but I went to this, it was called a turkey burner. The gym on, on the military base was doing mostly for the, for the military wives and stuff, but it was a turkey burner workout where you would burn the calories that equated to the average like person's calorie intake on Thanksgiving, which is higher than a normal day, of course, right?
You can, you can imagine it was a turkey burner. And I did it where it was They had like 10 different stations set up. You know, you're working out for a minute, full, full throttle resting for like 30 seconds, going to the next one. And it was all just lightweight stuff, right? Nothing heavy. You're doing eight counts.
You're doing jump rope. You're doing all this stuff. I was like, man. I can, I can run six to eight miles at a time. I can lift weights, but this thing is kicking my butt. Like, like you said, you've got to be balanced all around. And so I'm trying to work more of those into my routine. Cause like you said, lifting weights is easy, especially if you're at a gym using machines on top of it.
You know, so it's definitely good to get in. And I know so many, I was, there was a bunch of, especially in the military, there's a bunch of big gym guys. You're always saying cardio is a myth. You don't need cardio. Yeah, it was good. I love it. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's important. I actually, the reason I like running so much, because there's a lot of times where I'll go to lift weights and all I'm thinking is I want to go for a run and then I leave and that's why I'm, I'm still skinny, but I love it because Just sitting still bothers me.
Not ADHD way or nothing. It's just, it doesn't feel active enough. You know, like I have friends who work out and they're like, I'm not sweating enough. This is too. Easy. Cause we're just sitting there using the machines and we're just, we like to get out there and go after it. And when I'm running and moving my whole body, I'm, I'm raising my heart rate with lifting.
Yeah. Maybe your heart rate gets up a little bit. Cause you're going really heavy, but it's not that I need that full throttle on. It's not, it's not that just, you know, one of my favorite formats to do honestly, is the EMOM format. I don't know if you ever, if you're familiar, like basically every minute on the minute.
So let's say let's say you're going to do like. Like, like 15 dumbbell shoulder presses and 10 burpee and like 10 burpee pushups. And you have, you have a minute to get that, but really you need to get it in like 40, 45 seconds because you get the rest of the minute to rest and you're going to do three sets in a row.
So if it takes you a minute, you got zero rest and then every second gets progressively harder. So let's say your first set takes you 40 seconds. You got 20 seconds to rest, boom, next set starting, maybe now you've got 15 seconds to rest. Then you just finish your last set. You have 10 seconds to rest, but that 10 seconds you get to the next exercise and now you're starting right away.
So you're, it's like every set is a challenge to push yourself as hard as you can to get the most amount of rest so that you could go hard for the next set. And and then if you do a whole workout like that, if you do maybe set up nine stations, that's a 27 minute workout. Where you did 27 sets normally for someone to do 27 sets in a regular gym They're there for two and a half three hours for 27 This is 27 minutes for 27 sets, and you got your lifting, your cardio, you got it all in, and you have no time to think, you have no time to be on your phone, you have no time for any of that.
It's just all action. Go, go, go. Every set is a challenge. And that's, that's my favorite type of workout. Yeah, and I definitely recommend something like that or the classes for people who are just mind wanderers and their motivation just Fades because they're on the machine resting and then they just start thinking and get demotivated when you're doing something like that Or even a class where someone's holding your attention and you're going from one thing to the next it can be great And I know for me personally, having guests on the show like you, like Roman Fisher, like Tian Wong, all fitness people, it just gets me pumped up to go work out, like as soon as I'm done recording I'm gonna go run a few miles, cause it's just, hearing people who are passionate about it, It's great, especially if you're someone who is surrounded by people who are negative telling you, you got to work out because you're too skinny or too fat, and you just have all these things that are making it feel like a chore rather than a privilege.
We talked earlier, it's a privilege, it's a great thing to do, but I think because of so much criticism and judgment in the world, people see it as a chore, you know, and that's with anything, right? I mean, church is a big example. I know people who love going to church and it's inspiring. And then there are people who just see it as I have to do this every Sunday because my parents, you know, made me do it.
Not a, I am so glad I live in a country where I have the right to go to church on a Sunday. You know, same thing with the gym, you know. If you're going, because you want to improve your health and not for attention for others and TN Wong said it best if you're working out just to attract other people think about who you're going to attract because it might not be who you want.
It's a, it's a great thing in that it's important to do it for yourself because that's the person in your life. You're always going to have, no matter what, if you do it, attract a certain type of person, they may come and go in your life. But what I want to talk about in relation to all of this, to fitness and motivation.
Mr. Hockman, you've talked about how much you love and how great it is, but at any point in your life, was there a time where you thought you were gonna quit, or where you just didn't want to do fitness anymore, whether it was because of the pressure of the business, or just how much time was taking your life?
I'm sure there's a lot of people who, you know, they just burn out at some point. Have you burned out? And if so, what can we do to get over that? Because clearly you're, you're over it. It might be something you still deal with every now and then, but what is that relationship looking like in your life?
Well, I think there's two different things. When you said quit, do I ever want to quit every fucking day? Like, all the time, like right on the rower and I'm, and I'm trying to get like 800 meters in a certain time. Halfway through that. I want to quit. Like, all those thoughts enter my mind. Like, Hey, today's not your day.
You're not going to make it. Why are you even doing this? Like, like, love that. But I, but you understand, like, Okay. The people, if you're not feeling like, if you're not pushing yourself to the point where you feel like quitting and all these negative thoughts flood your head and you overcome them, what are you going to do in real life when something happens?
Like the people that don't, but that's what I'm saying that you either choose a positive pain or pain chooses you. So you can either choose to put yourself in these uncomfortable situations and overcome them, or life will give you these negative thoughts. Uncomfortable situations and you won't be ready.
Period. End of story, you know, and that's why so many people are weak and soft right now because they are so comfortable and they are avoiding all these things and they think that's the way to go. And then the moment something happens, it feels like the biggest thing in the world to them. It feels like the world's going to end.
And it's like, nah, man, you're going to be all right. That's just a headache. You're okay. You know, because they're not conditioned for it. Just like anything you could become so weak and you could also become so strong and both of those things takes time As far as you know, do I ever really want to like quit permanently or anything like that?
If you were to ask a Hundred people on the street like just walk up to a hundred people and go what is your purpose? 99 out of 100 won't know they're literally living their life and they don't know what they're, they don't have a crystal clear picture of what their purpose is. My purpose is to give the most value to the most ways in the, to the most people.
And those people include my clients, my friends, strangers, people on Instagram, my wife, my kids, you know, when I say the most people, that's who it includes. And so. What kind of value am I going to give them if I quit? You know, like I'm, I'm deciding because I've made such a strong connection between being the best version of myself and the ability to give value to the people I care about.
I would literally have to say to myself, I don't care about anyone anymore. It's not about me. It's nothing to do with me. That's what I'm trying to say. Like when it's about you, you're always fighting you. You want to sleep in, but you want to work out one day. This one wins this day. The other one wins.
But when you have to go pick up your kid from school, it's not about you. And when you understand the connection to health and fitness and everything to the people that you love, it's not about you anymore. So there is no choice. There's no quit. It's it doesn't matter what I think at all. Sure. Would I like to not work out?
I'd be kind of cool. Have a lot of free time, I guess, but I also know that I would be so miserable, but, and I wouldn't be able to give the value that is my purpose. You know what I mean? Yeah. I like what you said. You could be. Your example with the rowing machine, you know, today's not my day. How many days can you say that?
How many days have you already said it? If you, you know, you're listening, I like what you said. If you always just do the same sure. You might be stronger than where you were, right? I mean, if you went from. Lifting 30 pounds on every machine to now you're lifting 70 pound on every machine and you're just staying there And maybe that's what you're satisfied with But if you just do that every day the same thing like you're never getting your heart rate up.
You're never Actually stressing out your arms, you know, you're never gonna go anywhere So yeah doing more weight might be like you said a hardship painful You don't want to do it. But if you just do the same thing every day, you're not gonna grow anywhere Because what it is, I mean, fitness is breaking down your body to rebuild it, but if you never break it down, it's not just going to build on top of itself.
That's not how it works. And I think you said translating it over to. Life advice was great. You know, people are avoiding everything. I think technology has made that a lot more easy to do. There's, there's a lot more hiding from stuff. There's a lot of people like I've had a couple episodes about bedrock and just sitting in your bed all day because you don't want to go out and do stuff or just staying in your home and, you know, being, whether it's on the TV or the internet or just sleeping away life.
And it. There's nothing wrong necessarily with sleeping. I know I've gotten backlash for bashing on it, but the truth is if you're just sleeping away your whole life, I mean, there's so much life to live and you only live when you're awake. And I know people, especially in the military, who all they want to do is just go home and sleep and, and, and wait till the end it's the next day.
And again, it's such a privilege to be alive, to be healthy and go out and do stuff to just sleep that away or hide. And then like you said, when you're not dealing with all these small, small hardships, you know, it's gonna make future ones look even more bigger and intimidating. Like you said, people are just falling apart at the first conflict because they're not building up a, a base immunity to it.
So I think that's great, but ladies and gentlemen, if you're not feeling pumped up then you might want to give it a re listen because I feel pumped up and inspired, and I want y'all to take that away from this is be inspired. You know, I don't want you to listen to this episode and be like, man, I'm so behind on my fitness or, you know, I'm not the level of these two guys or other people.
It's about where you are right now. You know, Mr. Hockman didn't get to where he is overnight. It took, it took years. Right. I mean, and me, I'm still on my journey. I think physical fitness is a, is it's a journey, not a destination. Like I said, you might be somewhere where you're satisfied, but you still have to maintain that, you know, especially the older you get, the more you have to work to maintain that.
So it's definitely a journey. And Mr. Hockman, I didn't know if you want to bounce anything off of that. Yeah, I was just going to say, like, it kind of goes back to the whole, the who thing. Like, I was just thinking about when you asked me if I want to quit. It's not like, do I want to quit? Who, who is going to quit?
Who is the person that quits? Like who is that person? That's not me. I'm not a quitter, right? I can't be that person who just quits on things. And yeah, it really doesn't matter. It just isn't about the level. I don't really care how physically strong someone is. Like that's just a matter of time and effort.
Like it's, it's, there's nothing, there's nothing to it. Time, effort, genetics, all that stuff. It's, it's really the who. So it's like, who is going to the, who is basically getting out of their comfort zone, who is pushing themselves, who is trying to get better, you know, who is showing up every day. It's all about the who, you know, someone could be the strongest, you know, so strong and fit and all this stuff, but if they're not the who, then they could stop.
And then they go right back to being, you know, just like everybody else. It's really just about the who it doesn't matter. Like, it doesn't matter what you could do. Does that make sense? You know what I mean? Like this matters, like who shows up when they don't want to what kind of person are you and really who is aligned with their conscience.
And when I keep saying about conscience, a lot of people think conscience means like stealing and stuff like that, but it's that feeling or voice inside your body when you just know you're not aligned with who you really are. And I think a lot of people are out of alignment with who they really, really are.
And that's what causes stress and anxiety and depression and all these things because they're just. They're not who they're supposed to be. Yeah. I totally agree with that. And Tian Wang, who was on the show before she talked about, she recognized that misalignment when she got to the top of a set of stairs and was out of, out of breath.
And she's like, this is not who I want to be. This is not me, you know? And there are some people who would just accept that and be like, all right, this is who I am now. Like you said if you quit, that's who you're going to be now, you know? And I like one thing you said is. It doesn't matter about strength, you know, earlier on you mentioned something great, which is how do we measure strength, right?
A lot of people think it's just how much you can lift, but when it comes to fitness, I think, like you're saying, the who, the strength is measured are you achieving your goals, right? And so it might be running, it might be performing better at your job, it might just be having higher energy levels.
Strength being that measurement equated to who you want to be and what your goals are. So I totally agree with that. I think that's a great way to look at it. Yeah. Yeah. And really, we just create ourself through our daily habits. Anyways, you know, it's like everything is based around you show, show me someone's daily habits and I'll really show you who that person is.
It'll show me who that person is, you know, and so, Yeah, like some people are just naturally really strong and fit and they don't even have to try. So, you know, like, I'm not impressed. So, okay, so you don't have to try. So you're stronger and got better cardio than most people. So you lean on that strength to feed your weakness, you know, your weakness of allowing yourself to just not try that hard and compare yourself to others.
I mean, it's cool to inspire yourself by seeing what's possible, what other people have but. You really should just know, did you do what you were supposed to do today? That's it. If you did, then you win the day. If you win, you know, a week, you win a month, you win a year, you win your life. You just keep trying to win that day.
You have a checklist. These are the things I got to do. These are the things that'll make me proud. I got to eliminate the things that give me regret. I'm going to increase the things that make me proud. And I'm just going to live my life doing that for the rest of my life. Like if I could simplify it in one sentence, it would be increase what makes you proud and decrease what gives you regret.
And that's it. We got to that. Yeah. Mr. Hockman. I think that's perfect to wrap up this episode with a statement like that. I want to thank you for coming on the show. Like I just said previously, ladies and gentlemen, be pumped up. I hope y'all. Are inspired and definitely send this to whoever needs to hear it.
But Mr. Hockman, thank you so much for coming on the show. I appreciate having you on. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it too.
