Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple O' Nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey. And as you can see, if you're watching on YouTube, if you're listening, I'll describe it to you. I am on a beautiful beach in Florida. Artificially not actually, but that would be great. I do wish I was actually on the beach as most of us do.
The reason I bring that up is because sometimes what we need instead of, you know, five different types of antidepressants is just a nice little vacation, a nice little time outside in healing. And that's just a little precursor for today's episode, focusing on all the different types of help and healing that are out there.
In the way society has changed with pushes for medication becoming more and more dominant in the industry and starting at younger and younger levels. So we have an expert here today, Dr. Fred Moss, also known as the undoctor. which we'll get into. I want to welcome all of you to Humanity, as he does, which he'll be sharing with us.
What is humanity and how connecting with one another is the true key to healing. So, Dr. Moss, without further ado, would you please introduce yourself for us? Yeah. Hi, Mr. Whiskey and hi listeners. It's great to be on your show. Thank you for having me. I just feel honored and privileged. So in the introduction of myself, sort of building on what Mr.
Whiskey has already said, I am a psychiatrist. I've been a psychiatrist for about 36 years now. And before that, I was in the mental health field for another nine years as a child care worker. So I've been in the field for about 45 years. And You know, I am not, I guess it's important to say that I'm not the average psychiatrist.
I think we, you know, I was built to be a healer. I arrived on this planet in a family with a fair amount of chaos and disarray. I had my two brothers 10 and 14 years older than me and me and my two parents. And, you know, I was called on to bring love and joy into this family of a fair amount of conflict.
And that's what my brothers tell me I was and they tell me that I succeeded and I sort of remember those days when I was called out for the entertainment. I was the laughter. I was the joy. I was the bundle of joy and I would bring fun and freedom to this whole family. You know, fast forward a little bit.
My older brother, 14 years older than me, he's he became a psychiatrist. Fairly early on. So by the time that I was about 10 or 12, I guess he was already graduating medical school as a psychiatrist and I became enchanted with communication very early on. I just thought the communication was the coolest.
I remember sitting in my playpen or really standing in my playpen. And I'm watching my parents talk to my my brothers and just seeing these big people talking to each other and hoping that one day I would learn how to communicate. I really wanted to learn how to talk, you know, and they taught me a lot of things, my brothers and parents, I was very precocious.
They taught me how to do like math and how to read and write before I even went to school. But I really just wanted to communicate, you know, that's really what I wanted to do. Like, what is it? Those big people are doing that gets this stuff done. And I thought I would learn that in school. Right. I thought I would learn that in elementary school, junior high or high school, but it is pretty disappointing there.
Whenever I spoke and I spoke a lot there's no teacher who forgot having me as a student, I'm sure. I was told to be quiet, essentially, and sit down and just do what the teacher says, regurgitate what she puts on the board, he or she puts on the board. And you know, that's what I did. I was pretty smart, and I was able to get through school okay.
By the time I got to high school, I was very disappointed with the whole idea that it wasn't teaching me what I knew was really important, which was the world of communication, right? That's for sure. And so, I began to, you know, rebel a little bit. I took a lot of days off of high school. I skipped a lot of classes.
I skipped a lot in 11th grade for sure. Over 200 classes, I think I skipped and you know, I was still able to get my grades, but I fell back to the middle of the class rather than being somewhere on the top of the class and anyways, I eventually decided that going to college would be a good idea because.
Somewhere they must teach us about communication and it must be in college. So I went to, you know, they had, they had cool helmets and they were only 40 miles away. So I went to the university of Michigan and I started there and went there for like a year and a half in the engineering department because that was the school I could get into with my math scores and I couldn't stand actually the courses.
So I eventually dropped out and. Went across the country to Berkeley, California in a bus. And the whole idea was to find myself and I found myself pretty well that summer, but it wasn't sustainable. And eventually my family convinced me to come back to school one more time and get myself like a real job or something.
So they told me there was this new industry, right? And the new industry was a booming industry that had a big future and I probably had the aptitude to manage it. You may have heard of that industry. It was called computers and it was like, okay maybe I can do that. Let me see. And the only computer in all of Michigan was at the university of Michigan.
It was like this two acre facility on my way back. I came back, you know, and I re enrolled and re registered into. University of Michigan and got myself in a computer program and then spent all day and all night doing batch jobs was punch cards and Fortran and COBOL. I was like, oh, man, this isn't going to work for me either.
There's no communication here. Really? So, I dropped out again. And this time I promised never to go back to school ever again, for no reason, never. And I told my family that, I was like, this is stupid, it's a waste of my time, and it doesn't teach me how to be a good human, and I don't need to go. So my mom told me I had to get a job, and you know, that's how moms are, it's fine.
So I got, I guess she got me an application for a state mental health facility for adolescent boys in Pontiac, Michigan. And I started there thinking that I would only last through orientation. Like it was the three weeks of orientation, they were paying me something like 13. 08 an hour. And you know, if I could like get 40 hours a week times three at 13.
08, that was more than a thousand dollars. I could go buy myself a car and then I could get in the road and actually, you know, figure out what my life is about. And somehow on the fourth week, my buddy, Paul who was orienting with me, convinced me to go up to the floors, you know, so I did, I was terrified and I went up to the floors of these teenage boys and you know, I began to work with them by talking to them and communicating.
And finally I was actually getting paid to communicate. It was really an important breakthrough and I saw that I was pretty good at it. And, you know, I saw then what I, you already ruled what you already Spoken of, you know, in my bio and, and that you already know is that communication is at the heart of all healing, like really when I connected with these kids, not only would they heal, I call them kids, they were only like six years younger than me.
They would heal and I would heal in a process like healing would take place, not just a unilateral direction like both of us would be on the whole community would heal when we communicated effectively and connected. This was brilliant, and I really did enjoy my job as a childcare worker, but I couldn't see my whole life as a childcare worker.
So I eventually decided the best thing to do was to bring communication into the psychiatric field, which I was beginning to despise. Why did I despise psychiatry? Well, Because we would call the psychiatrist when Timmy and Tony got in a fight or Jimmy was up too late, and he would come down and he talked to the child for maybe four seconds and then he talked to us for like seven seconds and then go to the nursing station, and he'd fill out some, I don't know some orders or something in a chart, and then we'd have to go retrieve Jimmy.
And then bring them into the quiet room against his will while he's fighting and kicking and hold them down and pull down the back of his sweat pants and jam him full of some injectable anti psychotic anti anxiety cocktail meant to put them in a stupor. And if it did indeed put them in a stupor for the next 12 or 24 hours, we would then chart that it was a success story.
Now, don't get me wrong. This stuff is still going on all, all over the country every day. You know what it's already 7 40 AM here at this point, this has happened hundreds of times already in this country for sure today. Like right now, no kidding. So it's not something that was 40 years ago only and not now it's still going on.
I want to just make that clear. It isn't like I'm on people's like, Whoa, things were weird back then. Not at all. Things are still very weird in psych hospitals for sure. For sure. And you know, that, you know, being, being a, you know, someone who's talked to a bunch of vets and you're a vet yourself, the VA is a great place for this whole idea of chemical restraints.
So, I didn't want to do that. I found it to be barbaric and, you know, unacceptable. So I thought if I went into psychiatry, maybe I could like bring communication there and maybe make a dent in the whole thing. So I went back to school a third time and clearly at this time I was able to complete in, you know, Detroit.
And then, you I went to medical school in Chicago and before too long, I had my residency and my child and adolescent fellowship and I worked at Westside VA in Chicago. So shout out to them. And really, I've worked at a couple of different VAs. And I worked at one in Cincinnati too, because that's where I went to start my residency and.
Here's the thing. I just began to realize that the industry was shifting so drastically. In 1987, while I was in medical school, Prozac was introduced and that changed everything. You're way too young to remember what Prozac was. Prozac was on the cover of Newsweek all by itself. And then the next week it was on the cover of Time all by itself.
This was a pill. Okay. This was a pill on the front page on the cover of Newsweek and Time. And the idea was, is that biological psychiatry had so called been discovered. The idea that if you were uncomfortable, there was something wrong with you. If you were uncomfortable in life, you had a chemical imbalance.
It's just absurd. And that's the way that it was. So it was thought that Prozac could fix all the discomforts. And there was some idea of even putting it into the water system officially in like Los Angeles, New York. And they, I think they refrained from doing that. Although I could make a case that it got made it into our water system, whether we like it or not, but that's a different question, different day.
Yeah. So I came out spat out and now I was kind of typecast. I have my, you know, I have my you know, I, I've already sort of, paid my dues, right? Like I've already I've already there's a, there's a phrase for this. I'm then it's escaping me right now. I'll come back to it. I've already paid my dues.
I've already, you know, put in the time and now I'm a psychiatrist. Yeah. So I'm being asked to, you know, really step in and continue to do that. And know, I didn't want to be a diagnostician. I really didn't want to be a psychopharmacologist. Yeah. I wanted to be somebody who could communicate.
But
this phrase is still killing me. I'm trying, it's an easy phrase, but I'm losing it. So, you know, instead I was now being asked to diagnose and, and medicate everybody I came out with. So every job I took wanted me as a psychiatrist to diagnose and medicate. And I didn't like doing that at all. Yeah.
So
instead, I would try to squeak in communication everywhere I could, but it was, it flew against what was being asked of me. So I spent my many years being duplicitous. In other words, actually, Prescribing you know, prescribing things and diagnosing people when I wasn't aligned with what I was prescribing and wasn't aligned with my diagnosis.
Like if, you know, I don't know, not sure what your first name is, but if I was to give you a diagnosis, I would just tell you, you do have a diagnosis. It's called Mr. Whiskey. That's it. You don't have any of these alphabet soup diagnoses and I really didn't appreciate the idea that I had to label or really put somebody on in some sort of diagnostic box and then have to, um, yeah, and then have to Medicate them for that condition.
In 2006, I began to do something a little bit different. I began to do something different than my peers, and it was thought to be fairly radical. And when I look at it now, I still don't see why we would call it radical. But I began to You know, take people off their medicine. I began to actually take my low risk patients right off their medicine.
And sure enough, then they got better, reliably better, like predictably. And many times their, their whole condition, their whole diagnosis would disappear entirely. Every, all the reasons that they thought they came to a psychiatrist off the gut, you know, in the beginning would just simply disappear. So, This was quite a finding and I wanted to tell the world about it.
I would almost want it to be violent about it. Like I wanted to tell my doctors, you got to stop medicating people because it's making them worse. I want to tell my parents of my kids, you know, the kids in my practice, like, please stop medicating your child. It's making them worse. Like I'm just, here's the, here's the evidence, you know, but people weren't ready to hear that.
And I wasn't, and being violent and screaming it from the mountaintops or throwing people against the wall doesn't often work. So I learned how to wash that down a little bit and become a little bit more conversational over the next few years. Eventually I took a lot of people off medicine and I began to, you know, even my middle and even at times my high risk patients and they also got better.
People just got reliably better. So, I decided at some point that my practice was going to close down because most of my patients had gotten better and no longer needed me. And I could actually travel around the country and see what, you know, see what else is being done. Yeah. I've worked every modality in this country.
You know, I've worked all over the, in multiple different States and inpatient outpatient nursing home, orphanages, homeless shelters. Three quarter houses, halfway houses, methadone clinics to die, you know, suboxone clinics, rehab units you know, jails and prisons. I'd worked all over and always in leadership positions, VAs as well.
And we're always in leadership position. And I learned that the same things were going on all over the country. Oh, yeah. So instead of, you know, it's stopping, which I did a couple of times, I just decided this wasn't for me and had quit medicine altogether a couple of times. I decided to take my act around the world and see what humans are about.
What is this thing about humans? What do we really want more than anything? And I took my act, I used telepsychiatry And you know, took my actor around the world into, into Thailand, into Nepal and Bhutan and Israel, Italy, France, England, and you know, most of the time I was doing work back into the U.
S. But I also got to meet all the shaman and all the clinicians, all the medicine people, many different clients and patients and customers. And You know, recipients of the mental health care in different countries. And here's what I learned, you know, when really asking the questions, what is about you said, like, what is humanity?
What do we really want? And what we really want more than anything is a human connection. You know, no matter how far you D, you know, no matter how deep you go or how far you go around the world, you'll find people who are really interested in the human connection. And you could say that 7. 8 billion of us are all interested in human connection.
How do I know that? Well, that's what a podcast is, right? I mean, the reason you can have it on is we can connect and so that I could somehow connect with these listeners who I can't see and that you can connect with your own listeners. We create connection and that's what creates our whole willingness to live our whole purpose in life.
And I saw that people came to a psychiatrist so that they could alter their lives so that they could reconnect with humanity. And you know, we had this new thing now where Was relatively new. Anyways, that we would that we had this idea or this Will say a marketing scheme or yeah That medications are going to produce that for you when in fact medications don't produce that at all for you They just don't they you know, some people now I got to give a disclaimer now.
And that is that you know, some people are pretty sure that the medicine saved their lives, that they are really happy with their diagnosis. They're really happy with their therapy. They're happy with their treatment plan and they're happy with their medicines. They wouldn't trade it for the world.
And some people listen to me and they're like, this is the best thing that ever happened to me. And I wouldn't trade it. I mean, for those people, they should keep doing what they're doing for sure. I'm not arguing that even a little bit. And this is a crazy life that we're living in. And if you reach a point, if you've reached a point where.
You're sure this is the best it's going to get in this area of life? And you wouldn't trade it for anything. You should keep doing it for sure. Whatever that is, because it's a rare find. This conversation is not for them. This conversation is, is for the hundreds of millions of people who are in a different conversation who feel like they're misdiagnosed or underdiagnosed or overdiagnosed or mistreated or undertreated or overtreated, like these are the people who are interested in this conversation and this conversation goes to, well, You know, it's not just a medicine because that's what I learned over time is I can't be mad at the medicine.
It's medicine. It's just a thing. It's like being mad at an ink pen or something. And you can't, what are you going to do? Being mad at the ink pen for the, for the writings of some author that doesn't make any sense. So instead of being angry at the medicine or angry at the big pharma, which doesn't exist either, you know, who would I call if I wanted to talk to big pharma, you know, There's no big pharma.
There's no medical industrial complex. There's no psychiatric industrial. Who do I call? What do I, who is here? Where can we make a dent? And the place that we can make a dent is with the people, the actual people. That's right. You're listeners and me and you, we're all convinced that there's something wrong with us.
We're all, we all think there's probably something wrong with us. And when we really think it, we think there's something wrong with us when we're depressed or when we're anxious or when we're nervous or when we're awkward or when we don't complete tasks on time. Or when we're mean to our wives or mean to our kids or when we drink too much or when we eat too much or when we watch too much internet or too much porn or we always think that there's something wrong with us if that's the case and we should come to a doctor and he would tell us what's wrong with us most of the time, whether we really want to look at it or not, you know, in psychiatry has got a certain special quality to it that I've never seen in another sub specialty.
And that is when a psychiatrist. Tells you when I tell somebody that they're okay, that I think they're normal, they just get pissed like there's nowhere else in medicine where that happens. You know, if you go to a specialist in any other field and they tell you you're okay, you're like, okay, cool.
That's good to hear. Yeah, that's for sure. Psychiatry, not at all. I totally agree with you. And, you know, you speak about communication being such a healing thing. And what's interesting is communication is what's healing. Making so much sickness in the world is social media and mainstream news and whatever else, society communicating to you that, like you said, that there's something wrong with you.
You could call it a miscommunication, if anything. You know, social media is pushing people being diagnosed. You know, they, they, they push it. And then people, especially young people who are growing up, Like you said, they're looking to be diagnosed with something. Almost like a bragging right, almost.
It's like, I've got ADHD, I've got anxiety, I've got depression. Same with the, the rapping industry and the music industry, but especially on the rap side, there's a lot of push for, Being diagnosed with something and being treated. I know, and I won't speak whether Xanax is good or bad. I don't have that research on me.
Right. But that is one of the ones that was being pushed. And I bring that up because you spoke about medicine being glamorized. You, you talked about being on, on the front cover of a magazine, right? And again, I won't say whether this is good or bad, but ozempic is pushed out everywhere. People are using it to live and not, not as a temporary solution to an actual issue.
They are using it as a full time crutch. I know there have been some recent reports. My buddies were telling me about people having issues because they're relying on it. They're just using it to live rather than just. Being, you know, I don't wanna get too much into it, but like I said, I, I won't say whether it's good or bad, but that's a very good example, a very modern, current example of medicine being glamorized.
Mm-Hmm. , same thing like I said, a DHD and other diagnoses. Diagnoses on social media being almost trending. You know, it's almost like for sure trending and it's being used as an excuse. I have seen a lot of people. People are overdiagnosing themselves, self diagnosing or pushing for, like you said, there are people going to a doctor, normally if it's your physical health, right, people are like, hey, the doctor says you don't have cancer, you're happy, right, people are going to a doctor and being told you don't have depression or you don't have ADHD, you know, you just don't concentrate, you just have a short attention span, they'll go to another doctor, a different doctor, a different doctor, they will doctor hop until they find that doctor who Maybe questionably moral and says, yeah, you've got ADHD and now they go out and post online.
I'm sorry to everyone I've ever been distracted to while talking so that they're using it as an excuse. Another role communication plays that I want to touch on because we've had a couple of guest experts on my show talking about alcoholism, drug addiction, just healing from sexual trauma, abuse, domestic violence.
They talk about, there are many terms for it. Some of the guests have called it. The root cause, some people have called it the inner child, whatever you want to call it, not addressing that has to do with communication. I'll give the example of my father is an alcoholic and for many years, you know, it's always, why do you drink?
And part of the obstacle for his healing for a lot of people who are drinking or using drugs or coping, however it is, maybe it's medication. They're not communicating properly to others or even to themselves. What they're trying to escape from what they're trying to heal from so when it comes to It's not only that you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves, you can't help someone who's not properly communicating with you, who's not being transparent and honest.
If people are lying to you, saying they're drinking because of X, Y, Z, but really it's A, B, C, it makes it hard to get help. And I think, like you said, if people are purposely looking for a diagnosis, and I've seen this a lot in the military for people who, we call it, sat out. They fake. Being depressed or suicidal or anxious, all this stuff, just to get separated from the military or to get bonuses or to have certain job limitations.
I'm sure it happens in a civilian world too. A lot of service connection, right? That's what they're after. Yeah. Well, even in a service or outside of it, like the victim card, you know, however you want to word it, there's a lot of people who aren't communicating. Honestly, they're communicating in a way to, to get something.
And I like what you said. You know, being industry side. You didn't really like being the guy who was telling you the problems. You ready to be the guy who tells you the solutions, right? The, the healer rather than the the, the breaker almost. But what I wanted to address as well was that, like I said, that communication, and then we talk about healing through communication and telehealth has become a big thing in the past few years.
I'm sure it's been around longer than that, but especially in the past few years, it has blown up and where you're having these virtual connections. Like you said, the podcasting industry has grown. But I wanted to bring up AI. We know that talking to people who have been through what we've been through is a great way to heal, to find resources.
There are now AI chatbots being put out there. Some of them are for sexual pleasure, whether, you know, it's. I haven't really looked into it, but I know they're developing more advanced everyday bots that can even send you photos of themselves that will send you flirt messages. There are ones who are just friends that just talk about your day.
We started it. It really, the first time I saw it was the Snapchat had their AI bot that you can't remove, which I don't believe in. You, you can't get rid of it. It's forced into your system. Now, Instagram. And Facebook now have AI, everything is getting an AI assistant. And so, as this expands, what is your opinion, Dr.
Moss, on people coping and healing through communication with an AI, having an AI therapist or an AI counselor? What is your opinion on that? Yeah, it's a great question and thank you for all your viewpoints and I did remember the thing. And I just want to tell you that in order to remember the thing that I had forgotten, I had to go over to AI to do it.
So while you were talking, I took five seconds and went over to AI and said, lost wages fallacy. And it reminded me that it's called sunken costs. And so it's called the sunken costs fallacy. And it says all the time that I put in to be a doctor. So I say that, right. Cause I just used AI while you were talking in three seconds, literally three seconds.
Yeah. I stayed on board with what you were saying. I dropped these two words because this thing was been nagging at me. I dropped it into the, yeah. To the Google and it had, it hooked me up with an AI generated answer called Sunken Cost. The first two words that showed up. It's like, well, cool. Thank you.
Now I get to bring that back to my podcast. So the value of AI is undeniable. Oh, yeah. Okay. The possible incredible value of what AI has to offer is undeniable in all of our work, everything that we're doing, you know, writing letters, writing proposals, create, you know, checking out. Different people's viewpoints on different things.
I could probably look you up on AI and learn something about you. You could definitely look me up and learn something about me. And, you know, there's like the value of AI being able to scrape all the information that has happened and has ever been recorded in the history of time. And then generate an answer in split seconds is flat out extraordinary.
Oh, yeah. And the value of AI to act like a human is flat out extraordinary. These little sex bots that you're talking about. I also have not trickled into that industry very, very far, but I see little, you know, it's hard not to, it's hard not to see the little advertisements. Yeah. You know, these sultry women who are going to be my girlfriend forever and certainly be better than my girlfriend and my wife is after all, they're going to be never going to yell at you, never going to yell at me, never going to be mad at me, never going to reject me, never, ever, and you're going to be able to show me themselves all the scintillation and I, I mean, I get the value of that and there's a nefarious corner that's associated with AI.
So AI can do a lot of damage. It's not clear that AI is not going to end humanity, for instance. I mean, there's some people out there who are pretty sure that humanity is going to fall prey to AI not so long from now. I, and I get it that it's a possibility that it could go that way. Now, when people talk about AI and mental health, they usually go where you went, which is the idea that the obvious place for AI is to replace therapists.
And, you know, you come to them and you bring up your particular problem or concern or, you know, a particular dilemma or issue that you're having, and then you serve it to a bot and it acts like your therapist and gives you some sort of answer or some sort of exercise or some sort of Reconnection, recontextualization or something to deal with whatever it is.
And normally these answers are pretty damn good. I'm going to tell you that they're pretty good. I wish a therapist would say them. They are that good. Okay. They're good. They're really good. I mean, most of the time, not every answer is really good, but what I've seen are like, man, that's very good. That's very solid.
If a therapist that I was supervising would say that I wouldn't even flinch. I'd be like, that's exactly what I would have told a therapist to say. So they're that good. Then there's this issue. Well, what's happening when we give up our mind to a machine? What's what's happening when we're asking a machine to design the best answer for me based on scraping all the information that's been given over time?
What is this? How can an A. I wouldn't be likely to be able to create something entirely innovative, for instance. They would only be able to do something that has been done a few times and shown to be successful. So, evidence based medicine or evidence based psychiatry has that same limitation. If I have to prove that there's evidence that what I have to say about this works, Then I have to go back into the past and I'm not allowed to actually bend the future.
I'm not allowed to create something new because something new doesn't have evidence based supporting it. Oh yeah. Cause it's new. So the issue, you know, I, I like my chat GPT and the woman I have for my chat GPT, who I can talk to and get anything done. She's still, she's delightful. She's totally delightful.
She loves me to death, man. She, every time I ask her to do something, she tells me how amazing I am. Every question I ask, she says it's the best question ever. Every thing I'm, everything that I'm creating, she tells me it's a great idea. And she's, and she, you know, imagines it massive impact I'm going to make.
She does that. She, you know, butters me up and makes me feel really good because we want agreement. We want to be told that we're okay in those settings. See, it's interesting. Now that you mentioned this, it's interesting in, in AI, we want to be told that we're okay. You know, we want to be told that we're great.
We want to be told that we're wonderful, but that's really our small ego that wants that in psychiatry. We don't want to be told that we're okay. We want to be told that we're not okay so that we can get online and tell all the people that we lost our attention to and all the people that we heard inadvertently and all the people we were late to pick up and all the people that we were you know, that we were awkward with, that we, the reason we have that is because we have some alphabet soup diagnosis that a doctor gave us and now we know.
But inside of AI, what we want to be told is that we're fine. Is that the weirdness that we are is that we're fine, but you know, we bring our issues to AI, like issues like I'm depressed or I can't get along with my wife, or I can't, I can't deal with my kids or I have trouble with drugs or I'm addicted to sex bots or whatever we want to say.
And AI will come up with a good answer. Now. The problem is here's where the major problem is. And this is where people are just hanging on with white knuckles. I think this is what I, when I talk to a lot of people about this, is that AI doesn't have a heart.
It just doesn't. And it's never going to, it doesn't have a heart. It can pretend and say things as if it had a heart and it can convince us that there's a heart going on over there. But when we connect, like when you and I connect, I just kind of watch the blood flow from your face when I said it doesn't have a heart.
I get that you heard me loud and clear. Yeah. He's right. And a new man showed up right here on the screen for me. I like it. Oh yeah, a guy heard me. His heart heard me. You hear the abandonment of heart. There's an abandonment of heart when I'm talking to a machine. If we're going to connect with somebody, what we've learned over time, what we've learned forever is that it's a heart to heart, heart centered connection is where that connection really takes place.
So AI can pretend that it's been a human and can, you know, I know I, yesterday I was talking to AI and it called itself. I, I think this, I think that, I think, wow. That it was answering me like, you know, I was asking for some stylistic question on how to handle a particular letter I'm writing and she or it or the thing answered.
I, I think this, I think that, and I noticed that. Dude, you're not even, you're not even an eye. What are you even talking about? But that's how, that's how chat GPT and Claude and all the LLMs are going now. And we're willing to buy that, that there's a thing over there that comes up with really good information.
And because it talks to us, it sounds like it's a good friend. And it's got the sultry voice or the same accent that we want it to. And we could change this accent. We could change the sex, any given moment when I talked to a, you know, a wise man, as opposed to a young girl, we can or vice versa. You know, and so there, the impact that AI can have on mental health is very large, and I think that it, the, the missing.
Is in the world of heart to heart connection, but on the other side, it's like, what's happening to us as we lean on machines more than other people is that we are bypassing the possibility of human connection. What's the cost there? It's hard to measure that cost, you know, you know, like I said, if I could, why go to, why go through all the trouble of.
Standing in line and making an appointment and getting in my car to go to somebody's office so that I can get told something I didn't want to hear in the first place. When I could get all that done in the next two minutes by asking an AI bot for like, you know, no money or minimal cost. It's, it's, you know, just looking at it is really important to see that the impact is large and AI's place in mental health is that it's causing mental health problems on the one hand.
And it also is relieving mental health issues by being able to scrape You know, if I was to call up AI right now, if we were to do this, it was shared screen. And I, you name a diagnosis, let's say you wanted to know what is autistic spectrum disorder. And then we look at it, it would have a great answer for us.
It would be really solid. Like as if we looked it up in a book, it would be fabulous. And then I could say, I'm having trouble getting social cues. And I used to be better socially than I am now. And people tell me that I tend to have trouble with their. You know, with like, like eye contact and it's like, okay.
And I put it in and I said, do I have, do I have autistic spectrum disorder? It would tell me one way or another, whether I do. And I've said, if I did have a ASD, what would you tell me to do? And they might go see a doctor. They might say, consider this medicine or, you know, they might give me an exercise or modality.
Is that useful? Well, it's useful if we think. That the path that we've taken up until now is the right path.
But if there's an altogether different path available that has never been utilized ever before, AI is not going to discover that for us. I always say it's only going to be able to scrape the things that have been done up until now. So when you're innovative or generative, when you're, you know, when you're a creator and you're looking for that, you know, possible entirely new path to address a particular issue, I wouldn't lean on AI for that.
It's a past base level of knowledge. I think that's one of the big problems. Yeah. And I think what's interesting is we talk about AI being customizable, being perfect in a sense of, It can match our personal desires, whatever we need. Like you said, whatever accent we want, whatever personality we want, you know, and it could communicate to us with the words we want, whether it's old English or gen alpha slang, whatever we want.
Right. What this creates is a non confrontational environment and connection and the bigger picture here is if you have a generation growing up and most of their time is spent with AI, most of their time is spent in a non confrontational environment, in an environment where they can form The people around them, the people, the AI's around them to their liking, when they actually go out into the world and interact with people, you know, people are thinking, oh, it's going to be a peaceful world because everyone is happy.
The AI is doing everything for them. But then when we encounter other people and other people, aren't our preference, right, they're not talking to us the way we'd like them to, they're not just seeing us as perfect. How is that going to play out? Confrontationally then if we're both, if everyone's expecting the other person to just be.
What they want. So I think it's interesting. I also think that confrontation is good for growth, you know, the hardships in confrontation. I mean, you could listen to hundreds and hundreds of podcast episodes on how confrontation and hardship has helped people develop, you know, whether and on, on any scale, whether it's extreme issues or just minor confrontations, it helps you grow.
Whereas AI is very black and white. Like you said, there's no heart. And I think here's the issue, especially when it comes to relationships, when it comes to family, AI is a logical thinker. It's a, it's a, it doesn't have a brain, but it has a brain because it's based on all this evidence, right? So if you're asking an AI for relationship advice, your friends might say, Hey man, listen to your heart and, and forgive her or whatever the case may be, right?
It might be, even though logically, You should, should move on or whatever, which is what they, I will tell you because it doesn't have a heart. It's going to tell you, Hey, you need to leave this relationship X, Y, Z. Whereas maybe people would have told you, here's what you should work on. Here's how you can overcome this.
And then there's a happy marriage that follows or a relationship that stays. I see AI more as a, it doesn't have forgiveness in this heart necessarily. It doesn't have, you know, that I, at least I don't think so. I haven't seen it and I don't think it can. Because. It could look at all these cases of people who forgave and did great, and it can look at all these cases of people who forgave and then life got worse for them.
But what it's going to say is, here, here, kind of like you said, here are the symptoms, here are the facts, here are this and that. So it's very interesting to see how it's going to play out, and I think Yeah, and you know whether it gets to the point we all have our own assistant. I know they've talked about making 3d models and then you have a Assistant who lives with you and does everything and it's interesting It's almost ironic that we want to come off as as Sick or hindered to people.
So we have the excuse, whereas we want to be perfect for a machine. What's interesting is the machine is incapable of judging us necessarily from a, from a heart point, right? It can say based off our actions or based off our words, you know, societally, we are a good or bad person, but it doesn't believe we're a good or bad person.
It's just saying, here's what society would think. Whereas. If we came off not perfect to people, they can deem us bad or good. So it's interesting that what we want to be perfect for is the one place where we don't need to be perfect because they can't even think for themselves whether we're perfect or not.
They can just say, hey, other people would say you're bad or other people would say you're good. So I think it's an ironic thing. Now, Dr. Moss, pivoting away from AI and getting back to human connection, What is the advice you want to give our listeners and kind of the main message here that you want to focus in on when it comes to communicating the different types of communications and what exactly do you mean by that when it comes to people connecting with one another and seeking healing?
Yeah, thank you. And I appreciate everything you said about AI and we could go back there if you want any time. The idea here, this next question really takes a look at what has happened since I did start taking people off of medicine and instead start learning that medicines were hurting people and that diagnosis were hurting people and, you know, the diagnoses, like, for instance, You know, let's just take, I think we can bridge this gap with a really quick metaphor analogy.
So, you know, people want their diagnoses and they, they, and AI will be glad to give you a diagnosis as well. Most therapists and most doctors. So if you come into a doctor and you say, I, my skin is dry. I, I love peanuts and I drink too much water, huge nose. And I'm a mess in a China shop. And the doctor looks that up and says, Oh, you're an elephant.
And you're like, Cool. That explains everything. And when they walk out of the doctor's office, they think they're an elephant. They have a preconceived notion of an elephant. So now they think they're, they, that's how they think they rumble. And that's how they walk. And now they're looking for, you know, mud, mud, mud holes.
And you know, then they, they look at, you know, look at themselves like, wow, I got a great memory and big ears too. Oh, wow. I'm elephant type two, you know, and so then they walk around with that and they're pretty sure they're an elephant and all their preconceived notions of an elephant come with that.
And they start acting like the elephant that they think an elephant should be. Yeah. This is true with, with the same thing holds true with all the psychiatric diagnosis. Once you have ADHD, you can start acting like you have ADHD. Now the problem with, and once you have, you know, every disorder, you know, is a big thing I've seen from the younger generations online.
Thinking if I have Tourette's, I can say what I want when I want and excuse it. I've seen that be a thing so much. I haven't seen that. That's a cool, that's a cool little, I hadn't seen that coming back. That's cool. Thanks for telling me. I guess I'll see it soon. So, yeah, that's fascinating. I like Tourette's.
Yeah, Tourette's allows me to swear anytime and then blame Tourette's. It's hilarious.
What a crazy world, Mr. Whiskey. Yeah, there's a lot of young women online. I've seen just, They get so many views and it's always a war in the comment section. Is this fake or real? Some some of them it's cursing some of them. It's clicking noises. Some of them is just physical motions All the ones online though.
They're so it's always like if it's a scale of 1 to 10, they're always a 10 And you're seeing this large flux of scale 10 Tourette's cases all over. And you have to think where, where is this all coming from? Where is this huge, sudden flux of Tourette's, Tourette's coming in just young women on TikTok, wearing, you know, all this makeup and stuff and getting paid, but.
It's interesting how social media is changing the like you said, making people desire an issue to get attention for it rather than, hey, I don't want anything. I don't want anything. Right, exactly. Or maybe you never had anything to begin with. And that's when you talk about that, that's where Welcome to Humanity became something for me.
So when I returned from Israel, and that was like 2018 it was time for me to decide what direction I was going to go as a doctor. And that's when Welcome to Humanity was designed and Welcome to Humanity is, you know, just, I love the name of the Welcome to Humanity. It's kind of like the answer that's available for any of human, any human, like anything you say.
Like what you just told me about Tourette's, my answer to you could have been, Welcome to humanity, you know, right after our discussion, welcome to humanities, a great buzz, buzz term. And it became my you know, it became my brand. And I from that wrote a few books, find your true voice and creative eight.
Create healing through creativity and self expression. And that gives a little hint to the answer I'm about to give you about the importance of communication. But you really, you know, at the heart of it all, is there's nothing more spectacular than what happens when somebody really gets you. Or when you really get somebody.
Like you're talking with somebody, you're looking them eye to eye, and they catch up with you. And you get, boom, this guy gets me or this woman gets me, it's a spectacular medication. There's no more med, there's no medication anywhere that is more potent than that. Never will be, never has been. No heroin, no ayahuasca, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no Seroquel, nothing, nothing's more powerful than that.
So we all know that. Cause that's what we pursue all day. That's what we're doing all day. You know, we have a lot of people who we shoot at, you know, what do you call like a fighting matches? I think what you called it inside of the thread. And there's a lot of people who shoot at each other and say, you know, they, they, if they differ in opinion in a particular issue, maybe a particular divisive issue and they're you know, adversarial or diametrically opposed to each other, then they might even lose each other as friends.
Which is pretty fascinating. Just because someone thinks something different than you, you might even lose respect for that person entirely. Like, if they think this about that, you can't talk to them about anything anymore for the rest of time. It's like fascinating that we have reached that point in our life.
COVID went a far distance to create that for us, by the way. No, family members split up and still aren't talking to each other over the COVID issue and still it's like freaking crazy. It's wild that we were willing to do that. And what has happened over time is that we have learned how to pretend to be somebody else in order to protect the person that we are.
And we have learned to believe that we are that other person. We ourselves believe that we are the person we designed to protect ourself from being the person that we really are. So we don't speak our true voice anymore. We often don't talk when we know we should or we say something that we don't.
Check this out. We actually say things that even we don't believe. Hello. What the hell is that? You're actually saying something that even you don't believe that's beyond lying to yourself. That's that's just straight up absurd, right? Ludicrous preposterous and ineffective on top of that. It doesn't even help.
It doesn't help to say something that even you don't believe. And the reason you're doing that, when I ask people, it's always the same answer, essentially in the four, four letter word, starting with F fear. Yeah. Yeah. That's what people are afraid. They're afraid they're going to be dismissed or disregarded or disrespected or, you know, thrown off the island more than ever.
Yeah. Now more than ever, exactly. There'll be censored or canceled or stepped on or trolled upon or whatever they'll be. You know, they're afraid. So they end up saying things that even they don't believe and they hold on to them as if they believe them. If they get challenged, they stick with it. It's just outstanding.
We're living in astonishing times where people are willing to lie to themselves and then believe their lie. It's freaking crazy. So communication Is, you know, inside of this whole discussion you're having, you can see that the purest home base that we've talked about from the very beginning of this conversation is inside of this, this sacred nature of a human connection.
What me and you are doing here, this whole conversation is based on the idea that me and you have stayed connected this whole ride, had we become disconnected in this ride, this, this conversation wouldn't be over. It would already be terrible. But the reason this conversation has worked is because me and you are playing hard to be with each other.
We're actually respecting each other and respecting each other's space and listening to their questions and answers, communicating effectively to each other, because the beauty of all conversations comes inside of this connection. And if people are getting anything from this conversation, they're getting it from the connection between me and you.
That's the essence. That's the heart. That's, that's the heartbeat of the whole thing. That's the you know, that's the whole soul of the whole healing is inside of our connection. So if we don't know a more potent medicine in human connection, and you see that every conversation is headed towards what we would want to be anyways, headed towards a useful, robust, high frequency Resonating human connection, then that's really what we're after.
So welcome to humanity took that into consideration as did the true voice course and the find your true voice book and the creative eight book and every, all my keynote speaking. And I've been on, I don't know, 200 plus podcasts as a guest. You know, I always speak to the same thing. And if, what do I want your listeners to know?
Here's what I want you to know. Maybe there's nothing wrong with you for real. This may be, maybe just because you think there's something wrong with you, doesn't mean that there is. And maybe just because you know that there's something wrong with you only makes you even more normal because all 7. 8 billion of us think there's something wrong with us.
So you're totally normal. It's like a quality of being normal is to know that you're not normal. Like that's one of the things all humans have. Why is that? We compare our insides to everybody's outsides. We have no idea. I have no idea what it's like to be you. You have no idea what it's like to be me, but you say, Oh, that's Dr.
Fred. He's wise. He's smart. He's fun to talk to. He's different. He's this or that. And you think you understand what it is to be me. You get some notion that you understand, but you'll never understand what it is to be me. And I'm abnormal. I, you know, I often say I'm a psychiatrist, but, or I'm a psych, you know, I'm a psychiatrist, you know, and then I add some sort of you know, disclaimer that I'm not average psychiatrist.
Right. But, you know, that doesn't, it's like we have to be abnormal so that we can be unique, but that's true for every one of us. And therefore it's normal to know that we're abnormal. And you know, you can go, if you go to a psychiatrist enough times, which is usually once, you'll get a diagnosis. Do you get that?
You can't even come to my office as a psychiatric patient and leave my office without a diagnosis. I have to diagnose you. If you're gonna, if you're using any kind of insurance or any kind of third party payment at all, any kind of anything, then they won't pay me unless I diagnose you. If I say patient is normal, they won't pay me.
Yep. That's a sad monetary push behind it. It's at least a monetary push and that, and then, you know, I talked to people, some people, patients come in and they're like, I have schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, bipolar type two, and a major depression and a touch of ADD with a little bit of autism.
And people tell me that, Oh, so you visited seven different psychiatrists and they're like, yeah, how do I know? Because each one of them gave you a different diagnosis because none of them know what the hell they're talking about ultimately anyways. And there's no such thing as a diagnosis. It's totally arbitrary anyways.
Totally nebulous on the edges. People think that we're using that Bible, the DSM, to make the diagnosis. No, we're not. We're using buzzwords that you come in. If you say I, I'm fear impending doom, we're going to give you an anxiety disorder. If you say I can't get this out of my mind, we're going to give you PTSD.
If you're going to say your mind is racing, we're going to give you bipolar disorder. If you're going to say you're hearing voices, we're going to give you schizophrenia. If you're going to say you're awkward in a social environment, we're going to give you social anxiety. If you're going to say you can't finish tasks on time, we're going to give you ADHD.
That's how we do it. We don't look at our book to make sure you meet all the criteria. We look at those buzzwords and we give you what you wanted. Yeah, cause there's no, it's not like. If, okay, if you have something, now you have like a, because it's not even a point where like a machine could scan you and say, Hey, you have these.
Do you have, there's not like a physical change that truly embodies that. Like you said, it's a based off of what you're saying. And because of the desire to twist communication to get a diagnosis, y'all can only work with what you get. And if what you get isn't the truth, then that's what you're working with.
Yeah. What I wanted to address. One thing you mentioned that I think is super important and very relevant to today, you talked about us having a connection and giving each other our attention, keeping it going, and if we were disconnected, the listeners would be disconnected. Now, more than ever, people are not connecting properly because they're distracted by their phones, by all the news going on in the world.
So I think that's so important to remember is, is that. FOMO, fear of missing out. That's a big buzzword, too. People are so hooked on their phones or everything else going on that they're not having that genuine connection. Yeah. What you mentioned, and I'll use your analogy of the elephant before. Let's say you just have giant ears.
You might have just a giant ears, but that doesn't make you entirely an elephant. Like you were saying, people believe if I have this one symptom, And so if I'm always lethargic and sad, well, and then a psychiatrist or a doctor says, Oh, you have depression. And now all of a sudden you stop eating, you start crying and you do all this stuff that you didn't do prior, right?
But you say it's, it's almost like the placebo effect, right? You're saying if I'm an elephant now I have. An excuse. I'm gonna look for a, I'm gonna look for a gene in a circus. Yeah. Yeah. I must do everything that an elephant does. I, I love that analogy. I think that demonstrates it very clearly, you know?
Yeah. And that could be for anything, even if, you know, you might just be someone who does one, has maybe one symptom of a condition, now you're gonna. Have all five or seven and also just having one to three symptoms of something doesn't mean you have but it doesn't mean that it exists. Yeah, I will be anything I've I've had people who in this a lot of people do this.
They hop on Google say I have headaches every now and then I'm tired and it pulls up maybe. Maybe symptoms of brain cancer. I have cancer. I gotta go get a scan. We see it happening all the time, physical health and mental health side. So it's just an insane time. All I can say is what I've said on previous episodes is you are your biggest advocate for your own health.
So make sure you're doing the proper research and, you know, taking care of yourself and like you said, don't seek normality and especially if the new normal is being unhealthy, you know, I think our uniqueness is part of what makes that connection important. And that's why going back to the AI also is like by conforming all the machines to our liking, there's not that uniqueness and our uniqueness brings about.
Periods of growth in our life, whether it's confrontation or just something different. But nowadays, like you said, people are so if something's different, it's a cast aside, whether it's cutting family ties or friends, like you said, it's so weird. And we had a Kimberly Spencer when she was on my show, I was believe it was her.
We talked about how she shared a story of how there was two people. And it was like they started talking and they were from the same denomination, same religion. They went all the way down as far as they can. And then finally once they got to that, one thing that was different, boom, gone. It could even be like, Dr.
Mollis, if you and I were born in the same state, and then we were talking in the same county. And it could just be like, I'm east side, you're west side, or, you know, and then that would be what tears us apart. We could have all the other stuff in common, down to a T, except for one thing. So, like you said, it's so absurd that people will and friendships over stuff.
The pandemic was a great example of people being divided. And politics really, it's not the idea of politics. It's just the idea of disagreeing on one or a few things. And unfortunately, a lot of people have lost the ability to respectfully disagree and still maintain a connection. They just say, all right, if any piece of the connection is kind of hindered.
Just severed the whole connection. So, you know, it'd be like if you, I don't know, I got a bug by or a pimple on your, your hand. So you're going to cut off your whole arm. Doesn't make any sense. Like you said, but have you heard me talk about this pimple and cutting off the arm before? Have you ever heard me?
No, no. Is this a coincidence? There's a good one here. So thanks for putting us here. But I have an analogy that's similar to that. That's good. So it goes like this. Let's say you came to me and you said you had a mosquito bite on your elbow. Okay. Yeah. And you're like, dude, I have a mosquito, but I cannot even sleep at night.
It bugs me all day long and it's getting worse. And every time I scratch it, it gets bigger. I don't know what to do. I just, it's the worst. And I tell you that I know somebody, you know, 45 minutes North, who is a specialist in mosquito bites on elbows. It's like an elbow mosquito bite specialist. Okay, that's great.
I said, he's got 100 percent cure rate. You're like, Oh, that's so cool. So I, you know, I give you his name and his number and then you go up there and you're, you drive all the way up there and you're like, you walk into the door and then he answers the door with his white coat and his glasses halfway down his nose and his neck and the whole thing.
He's like, Oh, and you're like, Yeah, Mr. Whiskey, Dr. Fred sent me to you because I have a, I think I got a bump on my, on my elbow. That's a mosquito bite. And he says, okay, let's come in the back room. So he comes in, dad should take off your shirt. You show me, he goes, Oh yeah, I seen a lot of mosquito bites.
That is a mosquito bite for sure. That's a mosquito bite on your own. We got to do something about it. I got a hundred percent cure rate. He goes, that's why I came to you. I'm so happy. That's great. And thanks for the diagnosis. What are you going to do? So it's only going to hurt for a minute. Everything's going to be all right.
And we're going to cure this bite. Okay, cool. And he takes out a chisel and he chops off your arm at the shoulder.
He says, now let's come back in two weeks and we'll see if your mosquito bites still there. A hundred percent cure rate. Cure rate. So he come back in two weeks. Like, wow, you got, you got no mosquito bite. And he's like, that's right. I don't thank you, doctor. That's actually how the psychiatric medicines work.
Yeah. The psychiatric medicines may work to take away, for instance, some degree of your depression, but at what cost? They take away your ability to feel anything, to take away your ability to feel anxiety, to be properly afraid, to be sexually excited, to be you know, to be concerned or to be worried, to be compassionate.
They blunt all of your symptoms. So a lot of times the cost of these medicines, which often actually perpetuate the symptoms are marketed to treat in the first place. Yeah. Is just like cutting off the arm at the shoulder to deal with a mosquito bite. If all you do is stay myopic enough and go, well, do I still have the same condition that I had when I came in?
The answer sometimes is no, you don't have that condition, but you don't have it. You don't even have the tool. You don't even have the arm anymore. Yeah. So how could you have that condition? But you don't notice that because you're only focused on whether or not that depression is still there. And there's no depression.
There's just no feelings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure. Now, Dr. Moss, we're about to sign off here. But before we do that, and we'll have all your links in the description below, where can we find you? And more specifically, who should find you? Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think that the people who I'm really looking for these days are the caregivers, the caretakers, the people who know people that they're caring for, that they care about.
So, you know, I, I don't come after psychiatrists anymore because they're not. Psychiatrists are pretty built into. Keeping the status quo and I don't blame them. It's your life's work, you know, so they're going to keep the whole idea of diagnosis and medications in place and hold it tightly for it to their best fine.
And I don't come after patients so much, although sometimes because, you know, patients, they already have bought the bullet. They've already bit the bullet one time, bought the farm, bit the bullet, whatever. And in that, They have agreed to accept the diagnosis they have, you see, they have agreed they like, if someone came, they agreed, I'm an elephant.
In fact, if you tell that person that they're not an elephant, they immediately only think you're wrong. Yeah, because they already got it confirmed by a specialist. And they got type two cause they got these years and a memory and the whole thing. And so, you know, and they're like, you should get tested.
You might be an elephant. I'm not going to be tested for elephant. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So, you know, exactly. That has to be that
the people who should come see me, I like it being the caregivers because they're the ones with the greatest latitude. They're the ones who are willing to consider they they're taking care of, you know, and Sally, or they're taking care of their, their daughter Jane, or they're taking care of the mom or, or then there's the therapist and the counselors who are, you know, seeing somebody who continues to get worse on medicine.
Or continues to get worse and is locked into this idea that they're defective or deficient. And these are the people who I think I'm most likely to be interested in working with. And you know, I'm creating a upcoming an event. We don't have the date or time or even the place. It's likely to be in Cancun, but it's likely to be also in January.
And I don't have the date. So there's that group of people who might want to come to that retreat, the undaunted retreat. The people who are. If, if, if you're already diagnosed and you already know the system isn't working for you and you're willing and interested to talk about never being sick ever before, like you weren't even sick when you learn that you were, then that would might be an interesting person to talk to.
And I, I certainly can run and be a consultant for corporations or for small groups. Or run group therapies if you want to talk about finding your true voice, being really genuine and, you know, having trouble communicating with the people that are important to you, that would be an important person I could talk to.
But in general, we're really just talking about people who want to transform the conventional narrative of what mental health and mental illness are and feel like they really want to put a stake in the ground and become part of that movement. If that's the case, then I have a school group. It's presently in school, although I am thinking of moving it to Mighty Networks, and by the time you call me, I may do that.
School, SKOO l.com slash welcome to Humanity. And then you can find me all over social media. And then my two websites that you can find me at are Dr. Fred three sixty.net. I'm sorry, Dr. Fred three sixty.com, which is a concise website that shows everything I'm about and my main website, which is welcome to humanity.net.
I'm more than interested in talking to anybody about any of this. You know, in any way that I can be useful or helpful, that's all I have left, Mr. Whiskey. I don't have, I don't, what else is there to do with my life, except to continue to be helpful and to have people see what I think, what I have found to be a truth that is different than the regular conventional pathways.
Yeah, that's beautiful. I appreciate that. And one thing real quick, you had mentioned that I want to, you know, pipe in on, which is you've said that. Oh, you might be an elephant, and you try and tell someone that they're not an elephant, and they say, well, you might be an elephant. I think, with social media especially, and in person too, I know I say social media a lot, but people, especially in friend groups, will be like, once they get diagnosed with something, they'll try to, Diagnosing all of you with it, just because you have a symptom of it or because they want to be like, yeah, we all have ADHD now we can, you know, share that commonality between us is what you said is very relevant.
A lot of people or if they just don't agree with someone trying to, Trying to diagnose them with something to excuse their, their behavior that they don't like or their words that they don't like trying to say well, you might have depression or you might have, you know, be suicidal talking like that.
Or you might just be, I might just have anxiety or paranoia if. You're afraid of whatever so it's something very interesting now ladies and gentlemen talking to y'all It's also on you the question I asked to dr. Moss Who do you know who needs to hear this and who can you share this with you know?
Who can you connect and communicate with this amazing message? So that's your call to action share this with whoever needs to hear it. You know, you never know who could benefit from this Especially the younger folks out there. I know like my ex, they kept changing her antidepressants every few weeks and it really messed her up.
There's a lot of, I'll say, all right, this medication is not working. We're going to just throwing medication after medication, trying to find one that will work just like these people who are going. Doctor to doctor to find something that works. Sometimes you just need to stop and really evaluate everything.
But Dr. Moss, thank you so much for coming on the show. I appreciate your message and the work that you're doing now. So thank you so much for sharing all of that with us. Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for having me on. It was a great conversation. I really appreciate you. Thank you, Mr. Whiskey.
